Ruger LC9- Review


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rockheadd
October 19, 2013, 09:29 PM
First of all, I'm a CZ guy through and through although my dept makes me carry Glocks. So that's my frame-of-reference from the git-go.

I decided that I'd like to get something for "deeper" CC that was small, light, reliable, didn't print... but did the job. I had a G26, Mak and Czech82 to start with, but all were too cumbersome/printed to just grab-and-go
After looking at all the alternatives in .380 and .22 WMag I opted for the LC9 despite the negative reviews. You can check the specs elsewhere. Here's my take after 275+ rounds downrange:

Pros:
1. Smaller, thinner and less printing than any other 9mm
2. Reliable
3. Accurate
4. Easy to remember to carry...just like a mobile phone or wallet with the right carrying system.

Cons:
1. Far too many safety features for anyone even remotely experienced in handling firearms
2. The infamous trigger pull
3. Sights

Details:
I prefer the G26 as a weapon, but it prints too much due to it's width. I like the Mak, but it's too heavy for easy, care-free carry (and larger). My Czech82 is wonderful but too wide/heavy and larger as well...so the LC9 wins that battle as it's smaller, lighter and thinner than all the above.

The accuracy is fine after one gets used to the trigger. Seriously, it's not a target pistol, but if you can't hit center body mass at 25' with repeated shots within a few seconds you probably need to consider something other than a pistol. Using an 8" cube "resealable" target at 25', it's pretty simple to hit the cube with every shot in under 2 seconds between rounds. That's well within tolerance for a personal defense weapon. At 30', hitting center body mass on a TQ-21 is still easy with some practice.

It fed every type of ammo I fed it including HP. (Caveat- I polished the loading ramp with some Flitz and a Dremmel as I do all auto-loaders. It takes about 5 minutes and is well worth it)

The sights are lousy and acquiring the front one takes some effort. I painted the front with some orange nail polish and it helped tremendously.

Safety features: you have SIX of them on this pistol (just a bit of overkill).

1. Slide/thumb/frame safety (whatever you want to call it)- might be trouble for the Glock Generation but no problem for everyone else. I'm a Lefty and have no problem using it.
2. Magazine Disconnect Safety- Why? Useless and a nuisance. I took mine off after watching a YouTube video- 20 minutes (no you do not have to remove the trigger)
3. Chamber loaded bar- Why? You can see if a round is in the chamber by looking in the back of the ejection port
4. Lawyer lock- Once again, a redundancy that' s not needed. I'd hate to try and find that tiny key in a crisis.
5. Trigger pull- There is no way in the world this pistol is going to fire accidentally. Absolutely no way. Carrying with a round in the chamber is absolutely safe against all but an amazingly stupid action by the operator.
6. You can easily see if there is a round in the chamber by looking at the rear of the slide where the round ejects.

Another note: you cannot release the slide using the slide-lever release alone. You have to rack the slide. Not a big deal, but just something to note. I never use the slide release lever anyway and quite honestly, no one should.

Bottom line:

For it's intended purpose, that being a personal defense/CCW pistol it is a very good alternative. If you want to hit moving targets in low light at 75'+ it's not a good alternative unless you put on different sites and install the aftermarket parts from Galloway....but why?
After putting over 275 rounds through it, I'm perfectly confident that I can draw it and put the necessary rounds into the threat at 30' or less every time which is it's purpose after all is said and done.
It's not a CZ, Sig, HK, or Glock...but for less than $400, it's an extremely capable CC weapon.

Carry Options: Too many to discuss, but just to raise some hackles after 2 months of constant carry, I really like the VersaCarry- Small size. I have a Soft-Tuk, a Bianci IWB and a Blackhawk IWB. All work, but the VersaCarry is the least obtrusive and there is almost zero printing even with a moderately tight T-shirt. Yeah I know you can't re-holster without taking it off, but name someone who saved a life by being the first to re-holster their firearm. Yes I carry with a round in the chamber because like I said, I use the thumb safety and for the trigger to be pulled takes a concerted effort. If the weapon is fired it's because it was meant to be. An AD is impossible.

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redbone
October 19, 2013, 09:38 PM
Shot a friends for the first time last weekend (breaking it in). The trigger was too much for me. I'll stick to my S&W 637 for deep concealment. Just my opinion.

M2 Carbine
October 19, 2013, 09:59 PM
Good report.

Feb 2011 I bought my first LC9.
I just happened to be in the store when the gun was delivered. I liked the size, so bought it to try it out.
In the first eight days I put over a thousand trouble free rounds through the gun. Actually, seven different people, including a couple ladies, fired over seven different kinds of ammo.

I stopped counting at 1,700 rounds but I'd estimate I have about 2,000 trouble free rounds to date.

The gun is right accurate and even at 52 yards it does pretty good standing two handed.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/RugerLC952imissyardtarget.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/Bell-helicopter-407/media/RugerLC952imissyardtarget.jpg.html)

I was pocket carrying it today. :)

I liked the gun so well I've bought two more for spares.

Kayaker 1960
October 19, 2013, 10:43 PM
I picked one up a couple weeks ago. The trigger is just like a revolver. I thought about getting a Galloway trigger bar but I don't need it. Small, slim and light. It's a great little gun.

Black Butte
October 19, 2013, 11:08 PM
Ruger LC9 additional con:

4. Stupid-looking over-sized LCI.

MedWheeler
October 20, 2013, 01:46 AM
Thanks for sharing. I also considered the Ruger (and am also left-handed.) The safety features steered me away, and I went with the Kel-Tec PF9 instead. Probably less comfortable to shoot than the Ruger due to its lower weight and thickness, but it has no manual safeties, and only one passive one (the trigger pull required to set it off.)

As you said, these flyweight nines have a specific mission, and the operator certainly must do his or her part to help them achieve it.

History.Doc
October 20, 2013, 03:02 AM
Thanks for your review. I really appreciate it when guys write up guns like this. I ended up getting the LC380 for many of the reasons you mentioned. It has many of the drawbacks you mentioned as well, but I have been very happy with it.

basicblur
October 20, 2013, 03:18 AM
As one who owns both, I'd add that the M&P SHIELD is a much softer shooting gun than the LC9.

Kayaker 1960
October 20, 2013, 11:55 AM
I generally shoot more powerful cartridges than 9mm. My LC9 seems to have pretty mild recoil and it's smaller and lighter than the Shield. Weight was a big part of the decision between the Shield and LC9. I wasn't looking for a range gun, I wanted a gun that is light and easy to conceal.

gym
October 20, 2013, 12:58 PM
Worse wobble in the trigger of any gun ever made. Rugger 'tech,' admitted that they left it that way on purpose, the gun seized up upon rapid fire and heavy use. Tried the Galloway trigger and gun became unreliable, internals are flimsy at best, dumped it right after trigger #2. Not a gun I would risk my life carrying.

Matthew Temkin
October 20, 2013, 01:08 PM
I find the LC 9 a hard gun to shoot during rapid fire--due to the trigger.
(Also had many misfires with Remington ball ammo, but all other brands feed 100%)
However, with standard velocity ammo and a very tight grip on the gun it is finally working for me.
I carry it on security gigs where I want something bigger than my LCP .380 or 642 but smaller than my G 19.
It this aspect it does fill a nice niche, but I am thinking of replacing it with a Kahr Micro 9mm after I test fire my friends gun.
I also recently bought a S&W Shield in .40 and am very impressed with this weapon.

Another note: you cannot release the slide using the slide-lever release alone. You have to rack the slide. Not a big deal, but just something to note. I never use the slide release lever anyway and quite honestly, no one should.

Yes you can, but it takes a while for the slide stop to loosen up.

gym
October 20, 2013, 02:14 PM
Get the PM9, I did after the Shied. I had the 40 shield and it dropped mags every 3d or 4th shot. "a known problem" I did like the gun, but the Kahr is smaller and extremely accurate. If you ca get a PM do so, the gun is dead on accurate, and smaller than the shield. I understand the 9mm shield doesn't have the problem of dropping mags. And there was a fix, but I am tired of these manufacturers recalling guns to be honest. I would rather stick with one that already had the recalls and problems fixed.

kokapelli
October 20, 2013, 05:05 PM
Shot a friends CL9 Thursday and liked it so much bought one for myself.

I had a PF9 but it was really uncomfortable to shoot, so purchased a PM9 which is a great little pistol.

I wanted another small 9mm pistol but the PM's are pretty expensive and I have been waiting for a CM9, but the CL9 works so well for me I decided to go with it.

A CM9 would probably cost around $100 more than the CL, so I'm happy!

M2 Carbine
October 20, 2013, 05:21 PM
This thread got me to thinking, I haven't shot the LC9 in a while, so I'm shooting it (backyard range).

Yeah, I do like this gun.

Accurate, totally reliable, kicks a little with hot loads, long trigger but not to bad.

kokapelli
October 20, 2013, 05:29 PM
This thread got me to thinking, I haven't shot the LC9 in a while, so I'm shooting it (backyard range).

Yeah, I do like this gun.

Accurate, totally reliable, kicks a little with hot loads, long trigger but not to bad.
Yes that's how I found it too. Felt recoil was less than I expected.

bainter1212
October 20, 2013, 05:40 PM
Great review. I have thought about acquiring an LC9 and a good thorough review like this is perfect.

I have shot the Walther PPS and I think it is a superior alternative to the LC9 in almost every way. I do believe it is a millimeter or so thicker. Decent sights and a great trigger. It is almost impossible to get one here in CA though....

Thanks for the write-up.

rockheadd
October 20, 2013, 06:51 PM
Just thought of another benefit...Turning a negative into a positive.

Fire the LC9 about 100 times and then grab your standard/duty/regular handgun. Your accuracy will be better.

I have to believe it's due to better trigger control and not anticipating the break as sometimes happens.

With the LC9 you have to hold on target longer so it instills better sight picture discipline which carries over. Plus you have to pull (or press) so long that you can't guess and therefore flinch when it finally goes bang.
The recoil is not nearly as bad as I thought it would be, but reacquiring the target takes more effort than with a full-size 9mm/.40/.45 so training with the LC9 helps in that regard as well.
I've noticed my accuracy with my G26 has improved and doing "failure drills" with both the G26 and G23 are a snap directly after 100 rounds with the LC9. With the CZ75B it's as if you're firing a .22...almost.

kokapelli
October 20, 2013, 08:37 PM
Before you listen to the Nay Sayers, watch this video of Hickok shooting the LC9.

You can clearly see how controllable the recoil is and how well he does with the trigger both slow and fast shooting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeLxP6Kywzk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

verdun59
October 21, 2013, 12:32 PM
Well as Hickock45 says quite often it's the shooter not the gun that makes the difference. If only I could shoot half as well as he does...

Bush Pilot
October 21, 2013, 12:51 PM
As one who owns both, I'd add that the M&P SHIELD is a much softer shooting gun than the LC9.
This has been my experience also. I purchased the LC9 first and wish I hadn't.

mdauben
October 21, 2013, 01:47 PM
Thanks for the nice review! Its always nice to read some actual hands-on experience as opposed to typical internet hear say. ;)

1. Smaller, thinner and less printing than any other 9mm

One correction. The LC9 is actually one of the larger of the current crop of pocket 9mm pistols. The Kahr PM9 for example is about 1/2 inch smaller in both length and height, as well as being a couple oz lighter. The LC9 is still certainly pocketable, but not the "smallest" 9mm.

Old Dog
October 21, 2013, 02:00 PM
I reviewed the LC9 back in November of 2012 ...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=686079&highlight=Never+liked+Ruger
I'm interested in comments on the durability of the LC9 from others who've owned one, and actually put a substantial number of rounds through it, for a while ...

I still haven't bought into the LC9 as anything more than a back-up, but both my wife and daughter shoot theirs occasionally (I don't think they've even cleaned 'em, either).

basicblur
October 21, 2013, 03:23 PM
Not much of a review - more of a comparison I did back in June 2012 (Shield vs. LC9):
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8250535#post8250535

Teachu2
October 21, 2013, 04:24 PM
This has been my experience also. I purchased the LC9 first and wish I hadn't.
I had a similar experience. I enjoy many Rugers, but the LC9 wasn't one of them. I have no desire for a carry gun that I won't spend considerable practice time with. I found the LC9 miserable, and gladly sold it.

M2 Carbine
October 21, 2013, 04:30 PM
LC9, middle right, compared to the Shield and CZ RAMI, top,
Bersa, left middle,
and NANO, bottom.

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/5subcompacts_zps61e2d53f.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/Bell-helicopter-407/media/5subcompacts_zps61e2d53f.jpg.html)


IMO these are all good guns. Not perfect but pretty good.

kokapelli
October 21, 2013, 04:34 PM
NIce collection, but no Kahr?

gym
October 21, 2013, 05:48 PM
Who makes a gun that seizes under pressure, then relieves the problem by making enough room between the frame and the trigger to put a match book in, Oh yea, Ruger does, they could have re-engineered the trigger so it would not wobble like an old bridge, but instead left it alone, or it would have broken through their price point.
They openly admit to doing this on the phone. I find that to be like having to bend the wheel well out because you made the fender too small.

M2 Carbine
October 21, 2013, 07:01 PM
NIce collection, but no Kahr?
No. The only Kahr I have is the Thompson. :)



They openly admit to doing this on the phone. I find that to be like having to bend the wheel well out because you made the fender too small.
Where exactly is the problem here?
How has this given you trouble when shooting your LC9?
How many rounds have you put through your LC9 and what malfunction have you had?


I have about 2,000 trouble free rounds through my first LC9. I had no idea there was a problem with the trigger until you pointed it out.
I still see no problem.

M2 Carbine
October 21, 2013, 08:28 PM
Slow day, so I just fired another 48 rounds through the old LC9.

Six different loads through two magazines.

Winchester White Box-factory.

115 grain JHP Hornady XTP bullets-reloads.

115 grain JHP Speer Gold Dot bullets-reloads.

Federal 135 grain "Hydra-Shok" JHP-factory.

Berry's 115 grain FMJ flat nose bullets-reloads.

Berry's 115 grain FMJ RN-reloads.


If this gun doesn't start giving me trouble soon I won't have a good excuse to get the other two new LC9 pistols out of the box. :D

kokapelli
October 21, 2013, 08:30 PM
Who makes a gun that seizes under pressure, then relieves the problem by making enough room between the frame and the trigger to put a match book in, Oh yea, Ruger does, they could have re-engineered the trigger so it would not wobble like an old bridge, but instead left it alone, or it would have broken through their price point.
They openly admit to doing this on the phone. I find that to be like having to bend the wheel well out because you made the fender too small.
I did not notice the very slight side movement when I shot the friend's LC9 or when I was pulling the trigger on mine with snap caps, but now that you mention it, yes there is some very slight side movement in the trigger.

I personally haven't heard of anyone at the range having any kind of trigger problem with the LC, but I'll see when I actually shoot the pistol Thursday.

I don't doubt you had a problem, but until I have a problem with the trigger I'll just assume it is not a chronic problem. I'll let you know after I get some rounds through it.

When I purchased a P238 a person that posts frequently on this board posted a number of times that the P238 was a flawed design and he was very adamant about it continually warning that the gun would never be reliable because of the design flaw. I think he was very irritated that I did not just accept his warning.

Well mine is now close to two years old and has been nothing less than superb as are the two my son owns and as the seven or eight people at the range I go as well.

gym
October 21, 2013, 11:09 PM
You may never have a problem with it, but the fact that they openly stated that the trigger seized under heavy use, was enough for me to first replace the trigger, then replace the gun.
I had no problem with the gun until then, but the fact that it actually was a problem that they kind of left alone by allowing that much slop in the trigger, made it feel like a toy gun. I wouldn't carry it to protect my life after that.
That goes for any gun or other thing that could get me hurt or killed for that matter.
It just made me lose respect for the gun and the company. At least Springfield and S&W and Kahr admitted having problems and recalled their products. Why would you allow a pistol to market that you knew was intentionally sloppy work when a little fix like a shim or a wider trigger would have fixed it so it felt tight like it's supposed to.
Perhaps they may have changed it by now, but a lot of guys felt the same way, or "Galloway" and "RTK", would not have been "sold out" for the first year of the replacement trigger and sear parts. People don't go and spend over a hundred dollars on a replacement trigger for a new $400 dollar gun, for no reason.
What I am saying is there are better choices, and knowing that the problem exists why buy into it by purchasing a flawed product, Go to Galloway's site or utube it and see for yourself how many problems there were with the guns.
If I hadn't liked it I wouldn't have spent 25% of the cost on trying to fix it. Unfortunately it made the gun unreliable and at times it would not reset. Before I attempted to start grinding the sear I just sold it back to the dealer, with both triggers, who was aware of the problem, and did the right thing in allowing me to kick in 100 dollars for a Shield.
You can't take these things personally, I am glad you like the gun, but if I didn't make you aware of the flaw, it would bother me more than having a couple guys upset because they felt I said something negative about their gun, That's not the case. I am merely giving you the information that cost me money to learn.

Kayaker 1960
October 21, 2013, 11:59 PM
I didn't know what you were talking about till I wiggled the trigger on my LC9 a bit. Yes is has some slop in it. I checked out my other guns, My M&P40c has almost as much movement ( though it is a 2 piece trigger) My Glock is much tighter and neither of my revolvers have any side to side play at all.
Until and unless it becomes a problem I'm not going to worry about it. A lot of folks have put a lot of rounds through their LC9's without an issue.

kokapelli
October 22, 2013, 12:15 AM
I didn't know what you were talking about till I wiggled the trigger on my LC9 a bit. Yes is has some slop in it. I checked out my other guns, My M&P40c has almost as much movement ( though it is a 2 piece trigger) My Glock is much tighter and neither of my revolvers have any side to side play at all.
Until and unless it becomes a problem I'm not going to worry about it. A lot of folks have put a lot of rounds through their LC9's without an issue.
My gut feeling is we're in search of a non existent problem, I hope and we'll find out soon.

I did a little research on the Galloway trigger mod and it sounds like it's a waste of money since most say it did nothing beneficial for the trigger. Most of the people that purchased the Galloway mod did so thinking it would shorten the reset and not to fix any wiggle.

Teachu2
October 22, 2013, 02:38 PM
I shoot my CCW and HD guns often. I carry with the presumption that I may actually need to defend life/lives with my carry gun. I can do that with a LC9, or even a LCP, but I can do it far better with a Shield, a 9c, a G26, a 1911, or many other guns. Since I can comfortably conceal a larger gun that I shoot far better with, that's what I choose to do. That doesn't mean that everyone should make the same decision.

The LC9 falls on the high end of my "darn sight better'n nothing" list, but it missed the "keeper" list. It's just too dang slow in my hands. I shoot 10 rounds on-target with a G26 in about the amount of time it takes me to get two or maybe 3 hits with the LC9. I'm sure there are others who shoot the LC9 better than a G26, but I'm not one of them. I really don't question the reliability of the LC9 - I'm confident it will go bang, eventually...in about the same time that I can make the G26 do that four times. For me, the performance difference far outweighs the size difference. Others may disagree. Everyone is different.

Kayaker 1960
October 22, 2013, 06:58 PM
Teachu2, I partially agree with you. If were to be expecting trouble I'd rather have my M&P40c with me. However the LC9, being smaller and lighter is more likely to be with me more of the time. I'll put some trigger time into it and hopefully never need to use it for anything serious.

gym
October 22, 2013, 07:50 PM
That's what I have mentioned before when saying that some guns were just too small to be considered for an EDC, for my use. If you can't get it out and on target without difficulty, the small size can actually be detrimental. I go as low as the Kahr pm9, one of my favorite guns, but sometimes it can still be hard to get out of your pocket.
Where as a Glock 26 or 30 is easier, even more attractive is the XDS with the extended magazine.
I tend to , use a talon grip on all,the gritty ones, a versa carry with small guns, even though a Remora is better for concealment in the pocket. If they get too rounded and smoothed out, they are hard to hold on to, and shoot.
If I had a choice, I would go "Owb" with grip tape, in a Galco half holster or G10 grips, on a Commander size gun.

Teachu2
October 23, 2013, 03:21 PM
Teachu2, I partially agree with you. If were to be expecting trouble I'd rather have my M&P40c with me. However the LC9, being smaller and lighter is more likely to be with me more of the time. I'll put some trigger time into it and hopefully never need to use it for anything serious.
Certainly a LC9 in the hand beats anything that's home in the safe.

I can - and do - comfortably conceal a variety of larger handguns. For me, it's a deliberate decision NOT to carry in my pant pocket. I carry a large set of keys and a knife there, and it's a slow draw for me. A good IWB hybrid holster works great for me, but may not for someone else.

Each of us has to find what works for us. All handguns have limitations, so practice often and thoughtfully, then design your strategy to minimize shortcomings and play to strengths.

A generation ago, I faced down eight gangbangers with a 2.5" S7W M66. The biggest mouth in the group was suddenly looking right down the muzzle, and he was close enough to see the HP at the other end of the barrel. He knew, with utter certainty, that I could take his life in an instant - and they backed off. I got lucky, and so did he, and so did the woman and her very young children that I was protecting. Today? Probably would have a less favorable outcome.

If I know ahead of time there is going to be trouble, I avoid it. In today's world, trouble pops up with very little warning and over very insignificant matters. Situations get violent very quickly. That's why I carry, and carry the most effective weapon that I can.

kokapelli
October 24, 2013, 03:05 PM
Shot my new LC9 today.

Ammo used was 124gr Gold Dot, 115gr Personal Defence, 115gr Freedom Munitions jhp and Freedom Munitions 115gr fmj.

There were no failures of any kind, felt recoil is very moderate and accuracy at 21' was excellent.

P.S. The trigger did not fall off-LOL

marksg
October 25, 2013, 10:16 AM
I found the grip a little small for my hand. I put a Pachmayr sleeve on and it fixed that. It also toned down felt recoil. Still conceals IWB very well.

copaup
October 27, 2013, 02:26 AM
Odd, we run the LC9s pretty hard in our Secondary Weapon classes and quals and haven't seen any issues with the triggers. Ruger made a couple of changes for the guns they sell us (no thumb safety, pinned front sight) but otherwise the guns are the same as the regular runs. My only concern with the design is the way you field strip it. I can see that latch getting loose or me losing the pin.

We approve the 642 (and similar Smith .38 models), the LC9, and the Sig P290. The LC9 and 290 just got added this year and have made up the bulk of the guns coming through quals. I have all three. I prefer the Sig (it just feels more solid) but have no real problems with the LC9. The trigger is rough, but this is a last ditch self defense piece, not a Olympic target pistol. It will suffice.

PabloJ
October 27, 2013, 06:43 AM
I looked at LC9 and PPS. While both felt good in my palm these were too large for my needs. Wanted something similar size to DB9 but who in right mind want's to rely on that piece for critical defense. I was fortunate to find used R9.

C0untZer0
October 27, 2013, 01:36 PM
I wanted to like the Ruger, but the trigger wouldn't let me.

IMO, it's not like a DA revolver trigger - most of the Smiths I've pulled had smoother and shorter triggers than the LC9.

kokapelli
October 27, 2013, 03:27 PM
Well it isn't a 1911 trigger, but it only took two magazine through mine before I was then able to consistently put all rounds into center mass at 21'.

It works just fine for me for it's intended purpose.

I have carried guns with much worse triggers, especially DA/SA style triggers.

Kayaker 1960
October 27, 2013, 09:03 PM
I took my LC9 to the range for the 1st time today. Shot about 120 rounds, no issues. I am pleased with the accuracy. My wife and her friend both tried it, a bit too much recoil for both of them.

SIGLBER
October 29, 2013, 04:10 PM
Bought the LC9 when the Shield's were hard to come by. After having it awhile I have really come to like it. Comparing it with the other micro 9's stats doesn"t give you a real idea of how the guns conceal. I've fired the Shield, Nano, 290, and so on since buying. But the LC9 just seems much easier to pocket carry. Ruger got it right.
Each of the above guns have their pluses. Most great summer IWB guns. Bt the LC9 will go into a pocket very easily. Not so muh with the others. The little Ruger seems to have a "melt" job on it. Not so blocky. As for the trigger it's fine for what the gun is made for. Just a matter of training with it. And do you reall want a short, light trigger on a gun that's riding on your front pocket. Don't like all the safties. But don't use them thumb safety and the rest don't get in the way.
Mine shoots the 124gr. +P HST's all day long with no problem. recoil is milder than the little LCP's even with the hot load. 7+1 rounds of hot +p ammo in a very slim gun. What's not to like?

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