Looking for a $350 mid-sized semi-auto for CCW


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Fat Boy
October 20, 2013, 07:48 PM
I have considered a Taurus pt145 but read lots of bad things
I have considered a Century Bulgarian Mak but worry about ammo availability
Looking for suggestions- thank you

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dusty14u
October 20, 2013, 08:06 PM
I would still consider any of the Makerovs. I have had no issues finding ammo and I reload and bought a set of dies for the 9x18. Bullets have been in stock everywhere and cutting a 9mm Luger down 1mm means brass is very easy to come by.

I bought a Russian hi-cap model this week for less than $300 with 250 rounds of Silver Bear. I have a couple of boxes of Hornaday Critical Defense for when I carry it.

For $350 and under your options are pretty limited.

farscott
October 20, 2013, 08:18 PM
There is a new batch of S&W 4046 pistols (.40 S&W, DAO) hitting the market right now. CDNN is selling them for $340 (used) to $430 (new). They are essentially unbreakable and very reliable.

jimbo555
October 20, 2013, 08:24 PM
You can get a ruger sr9c on gunbroker for close to that. Nib buy it now for 379.00.

HankR
October 20, 2013, 08:29 PM
I wouldn't be afraid of getting the PT145, but I would agree w/ Jimbo and suggest saving a bit more and going w/ the SR9c.

MICHAEL T
October 20, 2013, 08:31 PM
Couple of Bersa in that price range Just little more for the 9mm or 45

rockhopper46038
October 20, 2013, 08:36 PM
I would suggest you take a look at the Canik55 line of pistols. The Stingray C is a very nice clone of the CZ P01 - perhaps a little better machined, in fact. Can be had for $300 to $350. I have one I picked up to put in a BUG, and I'm quite pleased with it. Someone else's review linked below:

http://www.majorpandemic.com/2012/04/century-arms-stingray-c-9mm-review.html

GyMac
October 20, 2013, 08:37 PM
My choice for several years has been the Makarov. I just like the gun.

7mmb
October 20, 2013, 08:53 PM
Check out one of these. MSRP is over $500 but when I hit instant quote the out the door price is less than $350 from several of my LGSs. Don't worry about EAA's customer service. If you buy from Davidson's you'll never need to deal with EAA. Davidson's no BS warranty is truly no BS. I have a Witness P-S with a 4.5" barrel that is a really good shooter, especially at its price point. These 3.6" pistols should work great as a CCW.


http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?pg=list&mfg=European+American+Armory&mdlno=Tanfoglio+Witness+P+Full+Size+Frame

Furncliff
October 20, 2013, 09:17 PM
cz 82. about $250 Mine's accurate with cheap Brown Bear 9mm Mak ammo. CZUSA services these and they are good to deal with. I had CZUSA work mine over and the gun has been 100% reliable since. The trigger pull might be the best in its class. I buy 9mm mak ammo in case lots and have never had trouble locating what I need. If you like this but insist on .380 the CZ 83 (same gun) is available, but a bit more $.

Mine was painted and the finnish has held up well, otherwise some of the surplus pistols can have considerable finish wear.

The Makarov pistol is a good choice also, very reliable about the same size/weight as the CZ but slimmer, it may not have as good a trigger.

mljdeckard
October 20, 2013, 09:35 PM
I would look for a used G-19. It may seem optimistic for that price, but I found my wife's (barely) used XD-9 for $300.

frankiestoys
October 20, 2013, 10:31 PM
I have the C100 , it ran me about 375$ and worth every penny .. very well made CZ copy 400+ rounds through mine and can't believe how good it shoots. Plus 2 mags !Its a great deal and makes a nice edc

MrWesson
October 21, 2013, 12:31 AM
Pf9 is a very nice carry gun(substitute LC9 if you want the ruger copy)

Unfortunately 350 doesn't buy you much these days.

railroader
October 21, 2013, 12:56 AM
How about a Sar compact. They are a CZ clone. $291

http://grabagun.com/eaa-corp-400424-b6pc-9mm-13rd-3-8in.html

tarosean
October 21, 2013, 02:44 AM
There is a new batch of S&W 4046 pistols (.40 S&W, DAO) hitting the market right now. CDNN is selling them for $340 (used) to $430 (new). They are essentially unbreakable and very reliable.


This....

Pilot
October 21, 2013, 03:34 AM
I have the C100 , it ran me about 375$ and worth every penny .. very well made CZ copy 400+ rounds through mine and can't believe how good it shoots. Plus 2 mags !Its a great deal and makes a nice edc
The Canik/Tristar CZ clones seem to be good guns for the money. The PCR clone would be my choice in that price range.

http://www.tristararms.com/pistols-semi-automatic.php

leadcounsel
October 21, 2013, 03:44 AM
I have a PT145 and it's outstanding.

I'd also look into the Canik (CZ 75 clones). They are getting great reviews.

And the 3rd Gen Smiths are outstanding also.

krupparms
October 21, 2013, 07:46 PM
The S&W S.D.9 or S.D.40 are great buys in my opinion. Alot of people gripe about the trigger. But S&W will fix it free if you tell them it is rough & or gritty. These are accurate & reliable guns. And Hold a good amount of rounds, & will still conceal easily! They also feel great in your hand & are very comfortable to shoot! Also you can get them new at that price range. And it's a S&W made in the U.S.A.! Check them out! Just an old shooters thoughts! Good luck with whatever you pick!

SwampWolf
October 21, 2013, 09:59 PM
Quote:
There is a new batch of S&W 4046 pistols (.40 S&W, DAO) hitting the market right now. CDNN is selling them for $340 (used) to $430 (new). They are essentially unbreakable and very reliable.


This....

Double this. And if the op prefers a 9mm chambered, mid-sized pistol, it'd be mighty hard to beat a Model 5906. In good condition, they can usually be found for under $500.00 or so.

Goju
October 21, 2013, 11:52 PM
Sig P6
Kahr CW model in 9 or .45

Ledgehammer
October 22, 2013, 02:31 AM
I would look for a used G-19. It may seem optimistic for that price, but I found my wife's (barely) used XD-9 for $300.


No way you find a g19 in that range unless it's through a friend. Xd-9s sure, but not glocks especially now days.

I would look at a Kahr cw9 - great triggers and easily concealable.

TarDevil
October 22, 2013, 07:46 AM
An additional $75 - $100 would really open up your options.

clang
October 22, 2013, 11:48 AM
I know this is the Auto forum, but at your price point you may want to be on the lookout for a used Smith and Wesson J frame like a Model 36.

You have to know what you are looking for when checking out a used revolver's action, but you can still find these guns with a lot of holster wear but excellent actions in your price range.

And it's hard to find another gun more reliable than a Smith and Wesson revolver.

rule303
October 22, 2013, 12:37 PM
There are so many choices in that price range these days, you need to go try a few to see what you want. Figure out the features you want, and go from there. Striker fired, DAO, DA/SA? Also factor in how you are planning to carry it, and holster options.

thefamcnaj
October 22, 2013, 01:37 PM
A used Glock 19 could possibly be found for that price. The ruger sr series pistols are great pistols and are within 25$ of your price range nib. A used sr series pistol would be right on target with your 350$.

snooperman
October 22, 2013, 03:29 PM
S&W 3rd gen guns are a good buy still. Models 5904, 5906 in 9mm and many others in 40, and 45 are excellent choices. Check out gunbroker.

Kiln
October 22, 2013, 07:28 PM
I'd check out the Tristar (Canik) C100. They're very light, accurate, and reliable. The best part is that Academy Sports has them for $350 all the time.

I doubt the price will stay that low for long. When people start catching on that they're great guns built to Turkish military specs, prices will inevitably go up.

I wrote a review at 750 rounds that can be found here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=714680

I have over 1k through it now.

madFive
October 22, 2013, 07:40 PM
Why gamble your life just to save $100? Save up a few more weeks, bump it up to the $450 range, and you have pretty-much unlimited quality options. Glock, M&P, XD, Beretta, and a few Sigs can all be found in that price range.

Go to a firing range with rentals and try everything you can get your hands on to see what fits your hands the best.

Also, if you look around a little you can probably find any of the above in your price-range used. But if you're serious about using this one as a daily carry piece, don't take any chances.

Kiln
October 22, 2013, 07:44 PM
Why gamble with your life when a new FN pistol is only $450 more?

Inevitably someone will always say this or something like it. The fact is that there are plenty of good options in the $350 range that are proven and reliable.

You don't have to buy a gun with a certain price to get quality.

snooperman
October 22, 2013, 09:26 PM
Kiln, you are exactly correct. My brother-in-law bought a Canik , CZ Clone, for less than $350 several months ago and what a great pistol it is too. There are plenty of great buys out there today in this price range that are very reliable in 9mm. The SAR pistols from Turkey are some others that fall into this Price range new and have proven very reliable.

tomrkba
October 22, 2013, 09:33 PM
Used SIG or Glock 19, 23, 26, or 27. Forget Taurus or Makarov. Buy once, cry once. Otherwise, you will learn the hard way. I have seen too many people try to save a few dollars only to lose it testing the gun for reliability.

Pilot
October 22, 2013, 10:04 PM
Forget Taurus or Makarov. Buy once, cry once. Otherwise, you will learn the hard way. I have seen too many people try to save a few dollars only to lose it testing the gun for reliability.
Makarovs are some of the most reliable, best built guns for the money on the planet. Please don't lump them in with Taurus.

WolverineFury
October 22, 2013, 10:21 PM
Like others have said, any of the Makarov varients should work well. A Bersa Thunder is also an option to consider.

tomrkba
October 22, 2013, 10:22 PM
Makarovs are some of the most reliable, best built guns for the money on the planet. Please don't lump them in with Taurus.

Perhaps they are, but they are also used surplus from one of five foreign countries. I think the esteem as a defensive tool is misplaced. I'm sure it would be appropriate if the OP were stuck in one of those countries, but he's not. He is in Kansas and has hundreds of options (though I think an Ed Brown "Special Forces" 1911 is out of the question).

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I know this is not what the OP wants to hear, but it is what he needs to hear.

It's your life on the line and buying budget is not the way to go for a defensive firearm. The real problem is a lack of patience on the part of the OP. Another $100 won't kill him; if he has to have a gun NOW, then whip out a credit card and buy one. If he doesn't have a credit card, then borrow one from a friend. I had to do that when I was a poor grad student. If a good friend will help bury the bodies, then he should be able to loan the OP a handgun, gear, mags and ammo.

A quick search on ammoseek.com for 9mm Makarov (9mm Makarov, Defense/Hunting, Include: JHP) reveals four entries for defensive ammo. Hornady 95 grain XTP JHP and Buffalo Bore +P. I am not a fan of 95 grain handgun bullets unless launched from a really small pocket pistol. Another search for 115 grain bullets pulls up Buffalo Bore 115 grain cast flat nose, which is a suboptimal bullet for "social work".

Speer Reloading Manual #13 shows the 95 grain FMJ maxing out at 1068 FPS (tested with an East German Makarov). The next page shows 9x19mm 115 grain Speer Gold Dot JHP at 1258 FPS. That is a significant difference in performance. One can load a 124 grain GD to 1249 FPS or so. Other manuals will have variants on this (this was just a quick look into the topic).

Some light defensive ammo is available for it, but why bother when 9x19mm is so much better? Buy a used Glock 26 (or M&P 9c or equivalent) and be done with it.

JDR
October 22, 2013, 11:11 PM
I saw a nice S&W 3913 for $298.00 at my LGS

wally
October 22, 2013, 11:55 PM
The S&W S.D.9 or S.D.40 are great buys in my opinion. Alot of people gripe about the trigger. But S&W will fix it free if you tell them it is rough & or gritty. These are accurate & reliable guns. And Hold a good amount of rounds, & will still conceal easily! They also feel great in your hand & are very comfortable to shoot! Also you can get them new at that price range. And it's a S&W made in the U.S.A.! Check them out! Just an old shooters thoughts! Good luck with whatever you pick!


I second this. New pistol with the best customer service in the industry. If money is tight knowing they will make it right without hassle should count for a lot. Its basically a cross between the Sigma and M&P.

TennJed
October 23, 2013, 02:16 AM
Give us more info. What experiences do you have with handgun? Do you want a thumb safety or not? Striker or hammer? DA/SA or DAO trigger. You want to carry? Pocket, IWB, or OWB

Lots of options, you just need to narrow down the specifics of what you want then we can help more

papershoot
October 23, 2013, 06:00 AM
I have to pile on and add my recommendation that you get your hands on a Tristar C-100. Why are all these people recommending some no name pistol made in Turkey? It is a very well made clone of a CZ75 lightweight compact. The CZ 75 is probably the 2nd. most copied pistol design after the 1911. I love mine. You can get things like grips, sights and holsters made for the CZ75 PRC model to fit. These things cycle ammo with no failures to feed. They run about $350. They feel good in the hand, have a good factory SA trigger and are accurate.

JDGray
October 23, 2013, 07:27 AM
Kahr CW9, and don't look back...
Best carry gun I have ever shot! Accurate as hell, enough grip for all your fingers, thin, light, no manual safety, no mag disconnect, no grip safety, no bull handgun.

wally
October 23, 2013, 04:03 PM
Kahr CW9, and don't look back...

I'd agree, except I think most folks consider the CW9 to be a sub-compact, certainly not mid-sized, recoil is stout for some people because of the small grip and very light weight.

JDGray
October 23, 2013, 05:21 PM
Not sure how to judge it....
All fingers on the grip frame, to me is not sub compact. CW9s shoot as well as full size pistols:D
You be the judge..
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/002-1.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/JDG357/media/002-1.jpg.html)

Onward Allusion
October 23, 2013, 06:46 PM
S&W SD series... or as some call 'em Gen 3 Sigmas.

krupparms
October 25, 2013, 03:01 PM
One more point in favor of the S&W, SIGMA / S.D. pistols are the are easy & cheap to upgrade. It cost me $86 to add Tru -Glo night sights to mine. ( They use M&P sights on the S.D.) Also Crimson Trace made laser sights for the Sigma. I don't know if they make them for the S.D.,but if they don't they probably will. I have used all of the Gen.s, starting with a used Sigma & now have a S.D.9 . And when I sell some other things, I will probably get a S.D.40 to try out!:)

tarosean
October 25, 2013, 03:28 PM
Just an FYI CDNN sent out their recent email with LEO trade in G22's for 339.99... M&P40's for the same price and still have the 3rd gen 4046 for 299.99:eek:

JDGray
October 26, 2013, 10:53 AM
Why gamble your life just to save $100?

You sound like a gun store salesman:neener:

PabloJ
October 26, 2013, 12:04 PM
I have considered a Taurus pt145 but read lots of bad things
I have considered a Century Bulgarian Mak but worry about ammo availability
Looking for suggestions- thank you
I would take serious look at Walther PPS in 9x19. I could not buy one because it was too large for my specific needs, but for inside pant waist carry that is the gun I would pick. It will cost <$350 but that is the only antipersonnel defensive handgun one would ever need.

krupparms
October 26, 2013, 12:38 PM
There have been some fine guns suggested here. But, even though some of the L.E. trade-ins are fine guns, they are still used! I have bought a few over the years myself. And the others are made in other country's. I try to buy U.S. when I can. But the S&W. S.D. series are new. Cost in the price range of the OP. And are made here in the U.S.A. &come from a company that has one of the best C.S. departments around!
No I am not a S&W salesman, but I do use alot of their products! And always will! Good luck!

orionengnr
October 26, 2013, 06:31 PM
I still see the occasional Kahr CW9 for under $400, and that is a lot of value for the money.

But, even though some of the L.E. trade-ins are fine guns, they are still used!
And your point is...what?
LEAs and companies like Brinks are not well known for buying large quantities of crappy guns. Those S&W revolvers and 3rd gen semi autos that rode around on someone's hip for the last 15 years are better than 50% of all the new guns out there (and 100% of the new guns in the $350 price range).

krupparms
October 26, 2013, 09:27 PM
That is just your opinion, which you are entitled to. As I am mine. Yes there are alot of fine used handguns on the market . But they are still a used handgun not new! That was the very obvious point I was making. If you want a used handgun over a new one, that's your choice. I think that some of the other handguns mentioned in the $350 range new are also good buys. Just not MADE IN THE U.S.A.! I am sticking to my original suggestion of a NEW S& W., S.D. in 9mm or 40S&W . Just one old man's opinion! Good night. ;)

TennJed
October 27, 2013, 11:20 PM
That is just your opinion, which you are entitled to. As I am mine. Yes there are alot of fine used handguns on the market . But they are still a used handgun not new! That was the very obvious point I was making. If you want a used handgun over a new one, that's your choice. I think that some of the other handguns mentioned in the $350 range new are also good buys. Just not MADE IN THE U.S.A.! I am sticking to my original suggestion of a NEW S& W., S.D. in 9mm or 40S&W . Just one old man's opinion! Good night. ;)

What exactly is it about used guns that would make you pass on one for a new one? What specifics?

A couple years back I bought used S&W 5906 for less than $350. I have bought several new handguns at that price point and none are as high quality as the 5906. I would take a used gun over a new gun if the gun is of better quality. Remember that new gun you buy is only new for one trigger pull, after that it is used. It is not hard to check out a used gun for function. No reason to pay extra just for one trigger pull

herrwalther
October 28, 2013, 01:06 AM
Most used Ruger P series or SR series can be had for the 300-350 range. Would not put them in the same quality category as SIGs but they are still very nice firearms.

Kiln
October 28, 2013, 02:18 AM
Most used Ruger P series or SR series can be had for the 300-350 range. Would not put them in the same quality category as SIGs but they are still very nice firearms.
I can agree. Since the P series has been so popular and widely sold, they're still likely to remain available at similar prices for a long time despite being discontinued recently.

krupparms
October 28, 2013, 12:39 PM
1.A new gun comes with a warranty (usually) .
2.I didn't know S&W was garbage!
3.If I wanted a particular gun I would have no problem buying a used gun.
4.I don't want to argue, if you do sorry!
5.A NEW S&W S.D.9 OR S.D.40 IS MY SUGGESTED OPINION! HAVE A NICE DAY!

gym
October 28, 2013, 01:53 PM
Can't put a price on your life. Buy a Glock , M&P, XD. That's 3 reliable 9mm or 40 cal guns that work every time. You want mil surplus guns, you get old used guns, they may work or not. If money is an issue, pick up a 38.

Rushthezeppelin
October 28, 2013, 02:12 PM
I will second the Sarsilmaz B6P C. I have the full size and should have 1000 down the pipe by next weekend and hasn't had one malfunction, even with the bunny fart 150gr swc loads i'm using. Also very accurate with the heavy bullets.

ritepath
October 28, 2013, 02:48 PM
Kahr CW or CM can be found in the 349 range

CW is a nice sized CC option IMHO.

PawDaddy
October 28, 2013, 03:14 PM
I think the S&W SD9ve is a great pistol at a great price! I hope to get one soon!

tomrkba
October 29, 2013, 10:17 PM
Can't put a price on your life. Buy a Glock , M&P, XD. That's 3 reliable 9mm or 40 cal guns that work every time.

That's simply not true. I've had jams with all of them. The trick is to inspect for worn parts regularly and replace them as needed. Don't become attached to magazines; treat them as expendable items. After that, learn how to properly manage malfunctions.

Pilot
October 30, 2013, 09:55 AM
Can't put a price on your life. Buy a Glock , M&P, XD. That's 3 reliable 9mm or 40 cal guns that work every time. You want mil surplus guns, you get old used guns, they may work or not. If money is an issue, pick up a 38.
Most of the "milsurp" guns I have are much higher quality than the ones you mention, are totally reliable, and accurate. Many military, or police guns don't see much used, or are in unissued condition. Like anything else, buy wisely. I carry my Bulgarian Makarov, and HK P7 BMI surplus pistol all the time.

gym
October 30, 2013, 12:14 PM
I have never had a problem with a Glock or M&,P Kahr, or XD, Firing. Other things that may annoy me, but they always fired. We can only go by our own experiences when someone asks us for a recommendation. My experience with 20 yrs of Glock pistols has been nothing but excellent.I never had one fail to fire. Not as much experience with the other 2, but I do own them, and never had a problem with those either.
It's like asking which car you like better, anyone can get a lemon. But chances are if you stick with a brand name, it's less likely to happen.
I prefer a new model 19 for the extra $150.00 to a milsurp pistol who's history I don't know. The gentleman may or may not have the ability to pick up on worn parts that need replacing or other areas of problems about to occur.
It's fine if you know what you are buying, not so much if you are guessing. If I went back 40+ years I would say get a model 36 or 60 revolver, it's always going to work. I saw a 36 for 375 on gun trader last night, looked in perfect shape. By the way the new PPQ by Walther is a $350.00 gun that got great reviews for that price point.

WinThePennant
October 30, 2013, 08:52 PM
OK - Ready to hear something different?

Sig P250 - Subcompact - 9mm.

You can buy one used for under $300, WHEN you can find one. These little guys are the best little secret for concealed carry. No safety, great DAO trigger. Some hate DAO triggers, but this is a GREAT trigger for a carry piece. Long trigger pull, but buttery smooth and probably the best trigger I've ever seen on a concealed carry gun.

TennJed
October 31, 2013, 02:22 AM
OK - Ready to hear something different?

Sig P250 - Subcompact - 9mm.

You can buy one used for under $300, WHEN you can find one. These little guys are the best little secret for concealed carry. No safety, great DAO trigger. Some hate DAO triggers, but this is a GREAT trigger for a carry piece. Long trigger pull, but buttery smooth and probably the best trigger I've ever seen on a concealed carry gun.

I love the p250, I had a full size and only traded it because I decided I wanted a compact. I still have the compact on my list to buy and I have half way shopped then lately. It does seem to me the price has risen. Not sure you can still get the for under $300

TUBBY1
October 31, 2013, 01:01 PM
I don't have the expertise that the choir has, but I can tell you the sw shield I have in 40 cal. Is a great carry,shooting and hits your $350.00 on the nose. Would recommend to anyone. Good luck.

5-SHOTS
October 31, 2013, 02:18 PM
Assuming you are looking for a brand new gun, I have to say S&W SD9: I was impressed by hickok45 video on youtube. Seems a pretty accurate pistol for the money and I like its look also. Consistent ejections (one of the things I put more attention on a pistol). I can't understand why it's not more popular (bad heredity from the old Sigma?).

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