Finally a AR15 service rifle copy


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KYamateur
October 21, 2013, 08:42 PM
After waiting more than a year to find the Armalite M15A2 or waiting for Colt to actually produce their new AR15A4, I finally have found what I am looking for. The good folks at BCM told me they could sell me the standard 20 inch upper, handguards, bolt carrier, and charging handle and that Ranier Arms should have some complete BCM A2 lowers for sale, and then I would have the complete A4 rifle that they occaisionally produce. They were right and I bit the bullet and ordered all of it. A day later Bravo Company had their carry handles back in stock so I nabbed one of those up too. Apparently BCM and Armalite only make a few of the complete rifles a year because their is a much higher demand for the carbine or mid-length rifles. I originally wanted the upper that had the carry handle permanently attached, but I have become more than willing to comprimise. I never realized until a couple of years ago how hard it was to find a 20 inch rifle without a heavy barrel. I have an old triangular handguard that I am getting cerekoted black and I will post pictures as soon as I get everything.

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juk
October 21, 2013, 10:20 PM
Sounds like it will be a nice build. We definitely require pictures! I'm about to start ordering parts for a basic A2 build myself.

dvdcrr
October 21, 2013, 11:39 PM
Delton makes a nice 20" gov profile, but mine is not chrome lined or 1/7. Still it functions 100% for me and is very accurate. I would like to build an A1 clone but with 1/9 twist. ( or 1/8 match grade pencil barrel how cool would that be.)

henschman
October 21, 2013, 11:57 PM
I have a PSA 20" upper that uses a FN barrel just like the GI rifles. It has been a great rifle. Highly recommended. Now what I really want is a barrel with the A1 "pencil" profile, only with 1/7 or 1/8 twist.

ugaarguy
October 22, 2013, 01:14 AM
henschman, There's always the option to buy a stand govt profile 20" bbl and have it turned down to the contour you want. On that note, stop giving me ideas. :uhoh:

Outlaw Man
October 22, 2013, 09:42 AM
You should have a pretty sweet rifle when you're done. Tacticool-ness (and practicality, in some cases) aside, I still think the classic 20" barrel and triangle handguard look is my favorite.

natescout
October 22, 2013, 10:41 AM
PIC'S !!!! Awesome build , A4 or S-DMR rifle build been on my hit list for while now. PIC's!!

C-grunt
October 22, 2013, 02:00 PM
Awesome. My next AR is going to be a 20 inch. I'm just not sure if I want an A4 build like I carried most of my military career or the SDM-R I carried for my second tour. Either way I like the rifle better than the carbine.

Dr.Rob
October 22, 2013, 03:42 PM
I am almost positive I have seen an A4 marked Colt lower, but it was a semi auto rifle.

henschman
October 22, 2013, 06:10 PM
Here's mine:

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk201/henschman/guns/image_zps3bcdcf22.jpg

gotigers
October 22, 2013, 08:42 PM
Go for it. Build your own. I built my Service rifle.

Palmetto State Armory lower receiver and LPK
Model 1 Sales A2 stock kit
Spikes upper receiver
Palmetto Premium BCG, MP stamped bolt
Cardinal forge carry handle
DPMS National Match free float hand guard (pic shows old handguard)
Armalite clamp on National Match front sight post
Criterion barrel, stainless steel, 1:8, 223 wylde
edit: Geissele SSA
edit: It now has at milspec trigger guard.

It shoots MOA

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/50_BMG/Guns/servicerifle_zps7ab46581.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/50_BMG/media/Guns/servicerifle_zps7ab46581.jpg.html)

goon
October 22, 2013, 10:12 PM
gotigers - what's the profile on that barrel?
I want an A4 20" rifle, but I may want to go a little heavier than a gov't profile.

kwg020
October 22, 2013, 11:33 PM
dvdcrr said:
Delton makes a nice 20" gov profile, but mine is not chrome lined or 1/7. Still it functions 100% for me and is very accurate. I would like to build an A1 clone but with 1/9 twist. ( or 1/8 match grade pencil barrel how cool would that be.)

I want to build this same rifle. The M-16A1 with a thin 20" barrel in 1/9 twist. Just like I had in the 1970's. kwg

goon
October 23, 2013, 12:05 AM
I've seen retro style uppers and lowers advertised by Spud-NoDak. Fyi.

Pete D.
October 23, 2013, 08:10 AM
Henschman: Pretty rifle but not a "Service Rifle".

This is a service rifle. Very similar to my own. Colt Match Target HBar 20". Mine is free floated with the DPMS handguard/tube.


http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr287/PeteDoyle/7B9097D8-F991-41C4-9A4D-DE5DF1EB85DB-694-0000007D0111581F_zps76fa7c7b.jpg

Jeff H
October 23, 2013, 08:28 AM
Nice service rifles everyone. OP, get your pics up. :D


Here is how I went about getting my service rifle: Ordered an el-cheapo lower from AIM, ordered the service rifle upper, lpk, stock and Geissele trigger from White Oak. Then I waited 3+ months for it all to come in (and that was before Newtown).

Here is a pic of it the day the upper finally arrived.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7xCaiZGbnHg/UT5B-IhzWjI/AAAAAAAAFWY/hCxWxQVj-uU/w941-h563-no/IMAG0902.jpg

gotigers
October 23, 2013, 09:12 AM
goon:

gotigers - what's the profile on that barrel?
I want an A4 20" rifle, but I may want to go a little heavier than a gov't profile.

It is an HBAR/heavy profile.

henschman
October 23, 2013, 05:40 PM
I don't think the OP means "service rifle" as in the NRA high power class... more like replicating the actual M-16 service rifle, with a GI profile barrel and all.

I wish I had thought of sending my A2 profile barrel off to Adco to trim it down after the gas block back when I was installing the FF handguard. I already had the barrel nut off and everything -- it would have been easy. I might still do that. A 20" CL 1/7 barrel in basically A1 profile made by FN is almost too cool to say no to!

KYamateur
October 24, 2013, 10:15 PM
I finally got all of my parts and put it together. I put the Magpul A2 replacement stock on it and the magpul rifle length handguards. I will post pics tomorrow. I have the triangular grip and the original A2 stock but it was a dull gray. I think I'm going to get my buddy cerekote the triangular handguards and stock in od green and put them on it. That is if I can pull the magpul forend back off. Those things go on super tight.

dvdcrr
October 24, 2013, 10:55 PM
To me the goal would be to get the 20" velocity, and sight radius and yet still have a lightweight weapon.

KYamateur
October 24, 2013, 10:57 PM
Well I changed my mind already. I put the triangular handguards back on and left the magpul a2 replacement stock on. The upper and lower are from BCM. Stock is from magpul, Handguards are a pulloff of old Armalite, and Bolt carrier assembly and charging handle are BCM. Tell me what you think. Leave the Magpul stock on or go all the way retro?

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p778/jreed576/1_zpsd22140d8.jpg (http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/jreed576/media/1_zpsd22140d8.jpg.html)

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p778/jreed576/6_zps189581c9.jpg (http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/jreed576/media/6_zps189581c9.jpg.html)

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p778/jreed576/5_zps9e55ab06.jpg (http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/jreed576/media/5_zps9e55ab06.jpg.html)

http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p778/jreed576/1_zps23b4d8c9.jpg (http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/jreed576/media/1_zps23b4d8c9.jpg.html)

goon
October 25, 2013, 02:16 AM
What's more comfortable and functional for you? If you like the Magpul stock, leave it. If you like the standard stock better, switch it.

It's gov't profile barrel, right?
I've been thinking about building a 20" AR. But if I do, I may just go the same route you did and go with a BCM complete upper/complete lower snap-together build.

KYamateur
October 25, 2013, 09:14 AM
What's more comfortable and functional for you? If you like the Magpul stock, leave it. If you like the standard stock better, switch it.

It's gov't profile barrel, right?
I've been thinking about building a 20" AR. But if I do, I may just go the same route you did and go with a BCM complete upper/complete lower snap-together build.
Yes. BCM is the only upper I could find with the rifle length that wasn't HBAR. I like the original stock but it is ugly gray and doesn't really match anything. I like the triangular handguards better than the magpul though. They just give it that tough look

MtnCreek
October 25, 2013, 09:21 AM
I almost hate to suggest this, but go to ar15 . com and get a stock to match those handguards.

DougW
October 25, 2013, 01:51 PM
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p118/MDWINK/105_1462-1.jpg (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/MDWINK/media/105_1462-1.jpg.html)

My 20"A2 with green furniture. It uses a 20"HB profile barrel turned down to government profile, Shoots like a dream, very accurate. 1 in 9 barrel (Wilson Air Gauged) chrome moly 5.56 chamber.:D

KYamateur
October 27, 2013, 12:07 AM
Does anyone know where I can get an A2 stock that is actually black? I have decided that the magpul stock just doesn't go with the triangular handguards but the A2 buttstock that came on the lower is a charcoal gray. I've done everything short of painting it to make it black, but when it dries it is still gray. I don't want to keep it dripping wet with oil or clp and have it on my face.

conrad427
October 27, 2013, 12:16 AM
Now I remember why I don't visit the High Road very much. I had just about forgotten how much I like ARs with carry handles, triangular hand guards, and thin barrels! And now this thread!

My first AR was an early colt with no forward assist that I borrowed for like three years. Man I loved that rifle. I even gave it it's first cleaning.

I like where you guys are going with this.

DougW
October 27, 2013, 11:11 AM
KY, the best bet to get a black butt stock is to go to the next gun show. I have the grey and black butt stocks, and the grey is actually a bit more comfortable to me. The green furniture n my A2 is the same rougher texture of your grey stock. You can oil the stock and it will blend in color better, but may always be lighter.

sixgunner455
October 27, 2013, 05:33 PM
clean the oil off it, and paint it with some quality matte black paint.

bannockburn
October 27, 2013, 06:41 PM
I still have my Colt Model SP-1 purchased new in 1978. Even have the original triangular handguards that came with it, though for range use I prefer the round ones for more comfortable use. For me the 20" barrel is the best in regards to the overall feel and balance of the AR-15.

BullSlinger
October 27, 2013, 11:42 PM
KY, Go with the GI A1 stock. The rifle will look much better.
You guy got me thinking... I am goona build an A1 as close to what I carried when I was a young soldier. Those were great rifles, sights that came standard from Colt, I loved the fact that I could take anything out at 300 to 400 meters.

stressed
October 28, 2013, 04:35 AM
For the ones wanting the original pencil A1 twist, with the right grain bullet wounds can be pretty devastating. Not good for hunting application.

and why is the "carrying handle" refered to as a carrying handle? I would of had the crap slapped out of me if I were to carry the rifle by that handle in boot.

ugaarguy
October 28, 2013, 04:44 AM
KYam, look for a black color plastic dye, not a paint.

Stressed, the carrying handle was designed as carrying handle, but the US Military branches never allowed troops to use it as such.

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