Need suggestions for non-1911 .45 ACP


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KYamateur
October 21, 2013, 08:49 PM
I am a 1911 guy, but I decided I want to have a .45 other than a 1911. I have a S&W 625JM revolver but am looking for a semi-auto gun. Springfields and Glocks are too large for my hands. I looked at a CZ and it was also too big. I've tried to find some reasonably priced 3rd generation S&W 4506 or 4566 with no luck. Any suggestions on any other pistols that do not have a thick or blocky grip would be welcomed.

And no, I'm not moving away from 1911s. They are still my favorite gun and I own two. I just want to try something different.

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Bentonville
October 21, 2013, 08:56 PM
You owe it to yourself to try an HK45C. They are slim enough for my smallish hands. They are soft shooting, accurate, reliable, and easy to maintain. They hold either 8 in standard mag. or 10 in the extended mag. They are a good size for concealed carry.

KYamateur
October 21, 2013, 09:08 PM
I have read they are nice, but I haven't had a chance to put my paws on one yet. I'm going to Whittakers in a couple of weeks and maybe they will have one.

jimbo555
October 21, 2013, 09:13 PM
Springfield xds or Glock 36, the 36 is not like the other glocks. It's much thinner. I didn't like the other glocks either till I tried a 36.The xds is coming out of a recall,but it is a one you should try also.

taraquian
October 21, 2013, 09:29 PM
The SR 45 is slimmer, as are the polymer CZ clones. While not as slim as those two I just tried a SAR K2 and it seemed to have a better grip than my Witness .45, and it has 14 rounds!

I found the XDS to be unbearable to shoot without the extended grip, and it gave me blisters even with it, but it is very concealable.

Armybrat
October 21, 2013, 09:37 PM
Another vote for the Ruger SR45, and also consider the Kahr single stack poly .45s. My CW45 is a nice compact pistol.

CAR
October 21, 2013, 09:46 PM
SIG P220, HK USP or HK.45

Chuck Perry
October 21, 2013, 10:04 PM
Sig p220

KYamateur
October 21, 2013, 11:19 PM
I've owned and sold two Sig p220s. They are a little large for me to grip and handle the controls. They are nice guns though, thats why I have tried two. I also fired the XDS 45. While it is easily small enough to hold, I can't imagine shooting 200 rounds in a session with it. A few shots are okay, but repeatedly being able to get back on target for quick follow-ups is more punishment than I want. I know the small light guns have their role for carry, but I am more interested in shooting. If I'm going to carry it is either a 9mm on my ankle or a 1911 tucked in my waist band. All of my guns are shooters meaning that I put a few hundred rounds down range everytime I take them out. I'm sure many people can handle the little 45 cannons just fine but I don't find them enjoyable to shoot. I'm looking more for a full size gun. I have a 454 revolver that has less felt recoil than some of the pocket 45s.

9mmepiphany
October 22, 2013, 12:32 AM
The S&W M&P45 has a lot less felt recoil than either the XD or the Glock. With it's interchangeable backstraps, it might fit your hand

Water-Man
October 22, 2013, 01:48 AM
M&P45 or Glock 21SF.

JDR
October 22, 2013, 02:31 AM
Ditto the Glock 21SF

mountain_man
October 22, 2013, 02:46 AM
M&p 45

PO2Hammer
October 22, 2013, 02:48 AM
HK USP .45, HK45 and the Sig P220 have all been good for me.
The HK's have the edge in reliability for me, but the Sig is a sweet handling pistol, it just doesn't feed SWC's as reliably.

RON in PA
October 22, 2013, 05:02 AM
M&P 45, soft shooting and ergonomic.

docnyt
October 22, 2013, 05:51 AM
Not sure if there are any .45s with a grip thinner than a 1911. Even the SF Glocks will have a bulkier grip. Have you tried a SIG 220 with a shortened trigger reach?

ejfalvo
October 22, 2013, 06:03 AM
I suggest the Sig P220. I own a number of them and all are excellent shooters. I also recently purchased a Sig P227, with about 200 rounds thru it, flawless.

Obviously, pick what fits you best but give the Sigs a try.

Dean1818
October 22, 2013, 06:31 AM
Love my M&P45 C

SDGlock23
October 22, 2013, 08:55 AM
I'd for sure check out both the M&P 45 series and the Sig P220.

And don't throw the 21 out the window just yet, get hold of a Gen4 21 and see if that's any better, without the backstraps the grip is noticeably smaller than regular gen3 versions and the grip texture is very nice. I've owned a P220, several M&P 45's and while they're nice in their own right, the Gen4 21 is the nicest shooting .45 I've ever shot.

wow6599
October 22, 2013, 08:59 AM
Another vote for a Sig P220, but I would make mine all steel.

tarosean
October 22, 2013, 09:06 AM
Multiple votes for a 220 yet OP stated he had them and didnt like them.... :banghead:


M&P45 and HK45 both have horrendous triggers, but have some of the best ergonomics.

rangerphil
October 22, 2013, 09:21 AM
Another vote for the HK45C.

bannockburn
October 22, 2013, 10:29 AM
KYamateur

If you have small hands (as do I), and the SIG P220 is just a bit too big for a comfortable grip, maybe try the P220 Compact model.

rodinal220
October 22, 2013, 10:50 AM
SIG P220 series or XDM series. I love my SIGs and they have served me well,but I really like my Springfield XDM 4.5. Its too heavy for me for wearing on a belt all day,but has made a great HD pistol.

madFive
October 22, 2013, 11:02 AM
+1 on Sig and HK having the best non-1911 45's.

texagun
October 22, 2013, 11:10 AM
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2wheels
October 23, 2013, 10:37 AM
I like my fathers P220 Carry, but you already stated you don't like P220s...

So my only other suggestion is the HK45, while I haven't shot one the grip is pretty nice.

JTQ
October 23, 2013, 11:35 AM
I'm primarily a 1911 shooter. I have a 4506. It is a big gun. The grip and trigger reach are not that much bigger than the 1911, but it just seems a lot bigger, mostly because it is taller.

The Ruger P345 has the most 1911ish grip of any poly gun I've handled, though they are out of production now. I haven't handled the SR45.

Chuck Perry
October 23, 2013, 11:46 AM
There's the discontinued Ruger P90 as well. Metal frame, single stack DA/SA. Never tried one myself but they seemed popular.

Yo Mama
October 23, 2013, 11:51 AM
A gun often overlooked is the Taurus PT145. They are moving to a new generation, so they may be harder to find, but worth it. It's a gem, I've known 2 other people with them and we all love it. 10 rounds, one in the chamber.

Lightweight, easy to carry and conceal, it's a real nice gun. Warranty is for life.

David E
October 23, 2013, 12:16 PM
The M&P trigger can easily and cheaply be improved.

The HK trigger can be improved for $300 or so but it's still an HK....

The Glock 21-SF is enough different to matter, so check it out along with the Gen 4.

The XD/XDM is a good feeling hicap .45, holding 3rds more than the comfortable SR-45, if that matters.

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LebbenB
October 23, 2013, 12:30 PM
I was in the same boat...I wanted a modern auto in .45 ACP. I narrowed down my choices to a Sig 227, An HK 45 or FNH FNX45. I went with the FNX because of the ergonomics (It's completely ambidextrous for easier weak hand shooting and the thinner backstrap gives the pistol a decided BHP/CZ75 feel.) and it's mag capacity. Speaking of mags, the FNX comes with three 15 round mags, versus the typical two. The FNX was also the least expensive of the three.

69xlch
October 23, 2013, 05:21 PM
I like the Beretta Cougar 8045. Sweet gun. All metal. A little large and heavy but it's a character.

MikeJackmin
October 23, 2013, 06:14 PM
Sig P250. The grips come in three sizes (S-M-L) and three configurations (sub-compact, compact, and full size).

amprecon
October 23, 2013, 06:48 PM
I would suggest at least renting and shooting the FNX-45, I fired one and it was the second most accurate handgun I've ever fired. I shoot my Glock 21 the most accurately.

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/handguns/fnx-series/fnx-45/

EBShooting
October 23, 2013, 08:45 PM
+1 to a Sig P220. I've had one for years, and like my 1911's, will never give it up.

oldillini
October 23, 2013, 09:42 PM
I have a Ruger SR45 and it feels good in my medium size hands. Been trouble free through the first 1500 rounds. Recoil definitely manageable Nice gun for the price I paid ($395). Definitely will not replace my Springer 1911 though.

Bentonville
October 23, 2013, 10:04 PM
Concerning the HK45C. I strongly suggest the light LEM trigger.

BYJO4
October 23, 2013, 10:05 PM
For the money, check out Glock. There have been many good suggestions and you need to handle as many as you can to see what you like best.

Arkansas Paul
October 23, 2013, 10:32 PM
Sweetest handgun I've ever fired was a Sig P220. If I ever graduate college I may buy one.

bds
October 24, 2013, 12:20 AM
With the small grip insert, my wife's smaller hands will comfortably handle the M&P45.

I also have the Taurus PT145 with SA/DA trigger and it probably has the smallest double-stack 45 grip with very short reach to trigger in SA mode.

If you want a comfortable shooting range gun, I would suggest the fullsize M&P45 but with a trigger job (http://www.burwellguns.com/M&Ptriggerjob1.htm) or the APEX sear replacement (https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid17.html) which absolutely improves the trigger feel and accuracy.

David E
October 24, 2013, 01:10 AM
Typically, when I buy a gun in a caliber I already have, it has to do something the current gun(s) can't do. Function overlap is fine, but function redundancy is not.

For example, my first 1911 was a Colt Govt. My second, a Colt Lightweight Commander. Lotta function overlap, but shorter and lighter.

Since the OP doesn't want a compact, that leaves full size. A single stack 220/P-90/645/4506 really fills no additional niche for the OP.

But a double stack Para/M&P/XD/XDM/250/Glock/FNH adds a missing element in the OP's current collection.

DAdams
October 24, 2013, 10:57 PM
Springfield XDm compact. And I'm an MP fan...in 40 and 9.

Robbins290
October 25, 2013, 05:38 AM
I vote sig 220. I have a compact 45 that i love

WaywardSon
October 26, 2013, 10:36 PM
Another vote for the Sig P220...I have two & they are both dead reliable and as accurate as any service pistol I've ever tried. Love 'em.

greenmountains
October 27, 2013, 03:38 PM
It's tough when you're a .45 acp fan. If you like the .45acp, a single stack 1911 really doesn't have much competition. It is when you move away from the .45 acp that other pistols start to shine, but that doesn't seem to be an option. If I were to buy a 45 right now it would be an M&P, either size. If you go the M&P route, make sure to take the slide off at the store and make sure it has the new barrel. Also you won't be happy after a single action w/o adding some APEX stuff and probably some quality sights, but at least the ones that come on the m&p aren't plastic.

PabloJ
October 27, 2013, 06:19 PM
It's tough when you're a .45 acp fan. If you like the .45acp, a single stack 1911 really doesn't have much competition. It is when you move away from the .45 acp that other pistols start to shine, but that doesn't seem to be an option. If I were to buy a 45 right now it would be an M&P, either size. If you go the M&P route, make sure to take the slide off at the store and make sure it has the new barrel. Also you won't be happy after a single action w/o adding some APEX stuff and probably some quality sights, but at least the ones that come on the m&p aren't plastic.
There was worthy competition. Old S&W 745 was pretty good pistol. The DA/SA Gen 3 were also excellent pistols. Had two and they did not jam. I would rather have one of these then the SIG 220.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
October 27, 2013, 06:39 PM
My favorite are either a Sig P220 or Hk USP.

marv
October 27, 2013, 09:57 PM
Nobody else has said it so I will. Ruger KP97. DA/SA decocker single stack poly frame. A lot more comfortable to shoot than a 1911.

bronco_buster
October 27, 2013, 11:33 PM
Sig 220 with short reset trigger is as accurate as any high end 1911, feels great, and is one of my favorite pistols. That said, it chokes on my semi wad cutter reloads.

HK45 trigger is not fantastic, but LEM isn't terrible. Prefer 1911 and P220 trigger over either V1 or LEM. Not as accurate as my 1911 or Sig. Higher mag capacity than P220 or 1911. Mag release is awkward. Eats any ammo, in spec or not.

G30SF has a fantastic trigger after 3.5lb trigger bar upgrade. Accuracy is great for a compact pistol...with the right loads. Mag capacity of 10...or more with extended G21 mags. Aftermarket support rocks.

A pistol that always follows me to the range is my SW 625 JM. Best trigger in SA. Eats anything, and I mean ANYTHING...too long, too short, too hot, too weak...can't be jammed. Nice accuracy.

XDM least favorite. Trigger heavy, reset less crisp than others. Recoil seemed more harsh than the other autos. Accuracy was...meh. Good mag capacity. Traded it off after 200 rounds due to mediocre experience with it. Love my "XDS" but it's 9mm...

wally
October 30, 2013, 11:55 AM
My non-1911 favorites, in order:

M&P45
FNP45
EAA Witness Elite
HK USP45
XD45
Glock 21
Taurus OSS (I don't think this is made any more)
CZ97B

The rest I've never used.

Hometeached1
October 30, 2013, 01:56 PM
I would suggest looking/ shooting. A m&p, px4 or the FNP in that order. Now the only 1911 I've shot is my Colt/Walther rail gun in .22LR, so I'm not coming from a 1911 back ground.

leadcounsel
October 30, 2013, 03:24 PM
I have a PT145 Pro that is surprisingly excellent and holds 10+1 in a remarkably small package. I have NO idea how 10+1 fits in there, but it does. And it just works... Cost me only about $325.

How, I had reservations because I had a PT140 that was a unreliable POS. But after shooting many boxes of FMJ and HP through the PT145, I often carry it when I go jogging in a rural area where dogs are a concern.

I had taken a chance on the PT145 because of great reviews, and an understanding that Taurus had worked out the bugs when the designed the PT145 Pro.

I also like Glocks, SW MPs, and XDs...

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