The True Meaning of Ammo Being Back on the Shelves


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bushmaster1313
October 29, 2013, 10:03 PM
It means it's time to stop typing and go shooting :)

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carlson1
October 29, 2013, 10:50 PM
It is back on the shelf, but at a premium price. I find it odd that Academy still limits .22LR to one box a day. :cuss:

ColtPythonElite
October 29, 2013, 11:00 PM
Even when it's back on the shelves some will still be typing.

JTHunter
October 29, 2013, 11:53 PM
Don't feel bad Carlson1. The WalFarts up here (2 of them) have raised their prices for the Winchester 555 bulk from $21.97 to $51.97!!

And they STILL don't have any on the shelves!

ColtRG1911
October 30, 2013, 12:08 AM
went to walmart yesterday at 6:45 am

there where like 50+ boxes of 22lr federal 325 auto match packs for like 19.87 also cci mini mag 100 round packs for like 7 bucks

also picked up a box of federal 223 hundred round value packs for 40 and some cents.

tons and tons of 9mm which was also pretty cool to see..

all and all not bad... Prices are up but i'm just glad i can get the ammo i've been wanting

Davek1977
October 30, 2013, 12:14 AM
The WalFarts up here (2 of them) have raised their prices for the Winchester 555 bulk from $21.97 to $51.97!! Are you sure? Thats the EXACT price I paid for a 1000 round bulk pack of Winchester M22 22LR this morning at 7AM.

Cee Zee
October 30, 2013, 05:57 AM
I paid $23 for a Federal 325 pack a few days ago. Not too bad but way more than the pre-panic prices. IMO it is anyway. I refuse to pay $50 for a brick of bulk ammo.

Midwest
October 30, 2013, 06:38 AM
The True Meaning of Ammo Being Back on the Shelves

To me that means being able to walk in any store that normally sells ammo, to actually have affordable handgun and rifle ammo on the shelves at any time or day or night.

ColtPythonElite
October 30, 2013, 07:05 AM
I paid $23 for a Federal 325 pack a few days ago. Not too bad but way more than the pre-panic prices. IMO it is anyway. I refuse to pay $50 for a brick of bulk ammo.
Yes, way more than prepanic....The last Automatch I bought cost me $10.68 a box shipped from Cabelas. I am glad I bought 2 cases.

bannockburn
October 30, 2013, 07:16 AM
It's been so long since I have seen any .22LR ammo I can't remember what I paid for it. Will have to start checking Walmart again but as of last week they still didn't have any.

MedWheeler
October 30, 2013, 09:12 AM
A new Bass Pro Shops opened in my city last week, and they had quite a bit. However, .22LR ammo was kept behind the counter and limited to four "sleeves" of CCI MiniMags and two of any of the "bulk packs" they had. Not sure what the limits were on the Winchester 100-round sleeves were; they were probably limited to four, also. I was in there two days, and bought the limits both times.

Personally, I'd rather the rest out there stay at the keyboard. More room for me at the range, and more ammo, too.

j1
October 30, 2013, 09:37 AM
All of this spells the retirement of my 10 22.

carlson1
October 30, 2013, 09:52 AM
It has put a damper on my .22 conversion kit for my AR.

Ryanxia
October 30, 2013, 11:25 AM
I haven't seen it back on the shelves except at places that have it at really high prices. No thanks I'll wait. It's hunting season anyways this weekend. :)

Queen_of_Thunder
October 30, 2013, 12:10 PM
There is no meaning in the fact some ammo is on the shelf other than we are finally seeing the results of increased production. Doesn't mean this mess is over with especially with the 5-20 million new shooters that have joined in the last year. Those new shooters are 98% responsible for the shortage of ammo along with manufactures who got caught unprepared and waoted to see if the increased demand was for real. The ammo supply is still thin and an example is I can walk into my local Academy, buy two 500 round cases of ammo and they will be out until their next shipment and there is no assurance the ammo I bought will come in on that shipment. Things are still very fragile but it is looking up which is just in time for the 2014 elections.

VA27
October 30, 2013, 12:17 PM
Ammo is back? You could have fooled me. I haven't seen 22 ammo on the shelf since last winter. You have to 'ask', and if they have any the clerk will go in the back and bring out a single box in a brown paper bag. It's disgusting.

Comrade Mike
October 30, 2013, 12:23 PM
I never thought my .38 would be cheaper to shoot than my .22's

rodregier
October 30, 2013, 01:02 PM
With the new level of base consumption much higher than the prior "normal" for .22LR,
it could be as long as say Dec/2015 before availability on .22LR specifically gets back to what it was in Nov/2012. Prices will inevitably be higher. How much higher is an open question.

Mfgr and their suppliers were essentially maxed out in .22LR production capacity, carefully matched to the level of actual consumption. With the new higher level of consumption between all of the new shooters and the existing folks who bought .22LR firearms to workaround other shortages, it's a new ball game.

Mfgr will have to:
- Wait to confirm it isn't a bubble
- Order production machinery
- Acquire/allocate land for new production lines
- Build structures for new production lines
- Hire and train staff for new production lines

Suppliers to above manufacturers (sheet brass, extruded lead wire, propellant, priming compound) will have to repeat the above process too, except they will have to wait until their customer (the finished .22LR mfgr) tells them they intend to permanently expand production.

When all of that new capacity gets brought online, it's output will immediately be consumed by all of the pent up demand by customers waiting 6+ months for better pricing and/or better availability.

Such are the foibles of a fine-tuned supply/demand marketplace :-(

huntsman
October 30, 2013, 01:22 PM
I like philosophical ammo threads, Do I indulge in a shooting orgy to feel good or do I maintain my frugal shooting practices and continue to stockpile the extra?

Since I believe we're only 1 crises away for total ammo oblivion I'll continue to stockpile.

Potatohead
October 30, 2013, 02:54 PM
Im with you Huntsman. Well put.

Queen_of_Thunder
October 30, 2013, 03:25 PM
I never thought my .38 would be cheaper to shoot than my .22's
Really. Are you saying 22lr is going for 68 cents a round because thats what Blazer Aluminum 158grain TC 38spcl is selling for at my local Academy.

Queen_of_Thunder
October 30, 2013, 03:26 PM
I like philosophical ammo threads, Do I indulge in a shooting orgy to feel good or do I maintain my frugal shooting practices and continue to stockpile the extra?

Since I believe we're only 1 crises away for total ammo oblivion I'll continue to stockpile.
Stack it deep, so deep that the floor begins to sag. At that point reinforce the floor and continue stocking.

LeonCarr
October 30, 2013, 04:14 PM
I hear ya Comrade Mike...right now with the current prices I can shoot handloaded .38 Special DEWCs or BNWCs cheaper than value packed .22LR.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

rklessdriver
October 30, 2013, 04:44 PM
I stop by my Wal-mart on the way home from work 2 times a week just to gauge ammo supplys...

Mine had plenty of the 150 and 120 rnd Federal XM855 packs at 69.00 and 60.00 each... I counted almost 3,000 rnds worth of the 150 packs. See them for "re-sale" all the time on our local VA Gun Trader board for at least double that by the scalpers.....

Plenty of hunting rifle ammo as well.

Plenty of target/bird shot and tons of those Winchester military buck shot for 12 gauge. I have noticed some shells here and there for 20 and .410.

NOT a single box of .22LR on our shelves for at least 6 months.
Will

Queen_of_Thunder
October 30, 2013, 05:03 PM
I hear ya Comrade Mike...right now with the current prices I can shoot handloaded .38 Special DEWCs or BNWCs cheaper than value packed .22LR.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Impossible. I find bulk anywhere from 4 cents a round to 8 cents a round. If I'm lucky primers are costing $40/1000 without tax or shipping let alone the extreme prices for brass,powder,bullets and more importantly the cost of your time.

Steve CT
October 30, 2013, 05:20 PM
More available where I live (Connecticut) because if you do not have an "Ammunition" permit or Pistol Permit, you can't buy it.

.22 lr is still pretty scarce but everything else except .380 is available

Agsalaska
October 30, 2013, 06:04 PM
With the new level of base consumption much higher than the prior "normal" for .22LR,
it could be as long as say Dec/2015 before availability on .22LR specifically gets back to what it was in Nov/2012. Prices will inevitably be higher. How much higher is an open question.

Mfgr and their suppliers were essentially maxed out in .22LR production capacity, carefully matched to the level of actual consumption. With the new higher level of consumption between all of the new shooters and the existing folks who bought .22LR firearms to workaround other shortages, it's a new ball game.

Mfgr will have to:
- Wait to confirm it isn't a bubble
- Order production machinery
- Acquire/allocate land for new production lines
- Build structures for new production lines
- Hire and train staff for new production lines

Suppliers to above manufacturers (sheet brass, extruded lead wire, propellant, priming compound) will have to repeat the above process too, except they will have to wait until their customer (the finished .22LR mfgr) tells them they intend to permanently expand production.

When all of that new capacity gets brought online, it's output will immediately be consumed by all of the pent up demand by customers waiting 6+ months for better pricing and/or better availability.

Such are the foibles of a fine-tuned supply/demand marketplace :-(
This.

justice06rr
October 30, 2013, 06:19 PM
I find these "ammo" threads always interesting.

It seems some areas of the country have plenty of ammo available locally, while others still have bare shelves. And what's more interesting is how many of us will judge the ammo situation by the availability of 22lr ammo.

At least in my neck of the woods the ammo situation seems to be getting a little better. There is plenty of 223/5.56 at my local Walmart, and even 308, 40sw, 45, 380. 9mm and 22lr is hit-or-miss, but if you go early enough in the morning you can catch it in stock before it sells out.

Interestingly enough I saw bricks of 22lr on display for sale at my lgs when I went to the shooting range last weekend. Bricks of 550rd Thunderbolts for $39/box with no limits, and no one panicking to buy it all. I know it's not the best price, but $39/brick of 22lr is still much better during the height of the panic.

Snowdog
October 30, 2013, 06:19 PM
Don't feel bad Carlson1. The WalFarts up here (2 of them) have raised their prices for the Winchester 555 bulk from $21.97 to $51.97!!

And folks continue to buy at those prices, which justifies the decision for the price hike.
I don't think we'll see cheap .22LR anymore, or at least for a long time. The majority of .22LR I have on hand was purchased for $1.50/50 not all that long ago. The same stuff sells for $5/50 or more now, simply because folks are willing to pay that.

When people allow a brick of .22LR with a $50 price tag to collect some dust on the shelf, then the prices will recede. Until then, expect stupid prices.

larryh1108
October 30, 2013, 06:41 PM
I think prices will continue to come down slowly.
I feel that when an average Joe can walk into his favorite place to buy ammo and there is at least enough for his needs, he'll stop paying the scalper's prices. When the scalpers end up not turning their inventory, they'll sell it for what they got in it and move on. When the scalpers stop buying, more stays on the shelves a bit longer and prices will stabilize. It's a cycle up and then down. However, as others have said, we are one incident away from an even longer and harder shortage. Every one who was bitten by this shortage should buy more and shoot less until they can't buy another round because they have no place to store it.

Grassman
October 30, 2013, 06:44 PM
I stumbled across three boxes of Federal bulk 325's today at Walmart. Success!

Speedo66
October 30, 2013, 08:12 PM
Walmart today had 50 rd boxes of Winchester regular .22 HP for $8.99 a box.

Hmm, we'll pass on that. They did have Russian .45 APC for $15.57/box, seemed reasonable enough, except I don't have a .45.

BassPro had pretty full shelves of rifle and shotgun ammo, and I did buy a 100 rd box of (Russian) Tula 7.62x39, $26 + change. Not great, but not bad.

Actually, should have bought another box. :D

Mike1234567
October 30, 2013, 09:52 PM
Not to go off-topic but my local pawn shop wants to buy a lot of my ammo in any/all calibers... most interested in .22LR, of course. I told her I have Remington Game Loads, Aguila SSS, and another frangible copper-plate type. I have several thousand rounds of it and asked what it's worth to them. The lady said, "I can buy 400rd boxes (from one of the big sporting stores) for $35/box. I can offer that much or a bit more. I'd like to have it on the shelves even if I only make a couple bucks." I asked, "Is that standard velocity round nose?" She said, "Yes, Remington unplated round nose". I asked, "And you can buy as many boxes as you want?". She said, "Well, no." I asked, and it's always in stock when you go there?" She said, "Well, no." I asked, "And you don't mind driving a 60 mile round trip to maybe buy one or two boxes?" (we're in a rural area). She said, "That's why I want to buy yours." I said, "Well, I'll think about it."

Warp
October 30, 2013, 10:23 PM
Are you sure? Thats the EXACT price I paid for a 1000 round bulk pack of Winchester M22 22LR this morning at 7AM.

I think he is mistaken.

He is yelling awfully loudly about it in all kinds of threads though.

Queen_of_Thunder
October 30, 2013, 10:29 PM
Just in time delivery has been shown to be inefficient in shortages.

rtz
October 30, 2013, 10:31 PM
If Hillary runs in 2016; you can count on another gun/ammo scare. 1994...

bushmaster1313
October 30, 2013, 11:05 PM
Too much typing
Too little shooting

welldoya
October 30, 2013, 11:07 PM
I think some of the people posting these high Walmart prices are mistaken .
I've not seen Walmart try to gouge and take advantage of the situation. Their prices are as good as you will find.

Ignition Override
October 31, 2013, 01:01 AM
bushmaster1313: True, too little shooting. Only 30-40 rds. went from the SKS into the clay pigeons on the sandbar today. Overkill for Tula softpoints? That seems to be all that Academy has.

huntsman: The next panic might not be total oblivion (though you could be correct), but it easily could make last winter's over-reaction look mild, with a much longer duration.
Online must be the best way to shop: I tried to find a buddy some low-cost 9mm Luger at Academy Sports last Sunday pm, and the lowest price seemed to be .60/rd. No way.

Cee Zee
October 31, 2013, 01:28 AM
I'll continue to stockpile

I wish I could stockpile. I can't buy much .22 at all. If you call buying up 325 rounds and thinking it's the best day you've had for buying .22 in 10 months "stockpiling" then yeah I guess I am.

ColtPythonElite
October 31, 2013, 01:42 AM
I have not bought a round of budget/bulk .22 in almost a year. I am glad I stocked up last year, but have been rationing myself.

I have bought plenty of match ammo and have been shooting the benchrest/target guns more and the plinkers less.

ArMagoo
October 31, 2013, 02:37 AM
Finally seeing .22 lr back on the shelves here in Az! Just starting shooting it again last week, that was nice! Planing on using up some crap .22 I bought during the lean days and keep replacing it with the better stuff that is finally back on shelves! Walmart here is charging pretty fair I have to say.

mdauben
October 31, 2013, 11:46 AM
When people allow a brick of .22LR with a $50 price tag to collect some dust on the shelf, then the prices will recede. Until then, expect stupid prices.
This. The current panic pricing and lack of stock on .22LR ammo is not due to "hoarders" or "flippers" or "newbies" it is entirely due to people who continue to pay stupid prices for no good reason. If they would stop paying inflated prices, the flippers would stop stripping Walmart every morning, the retailers would drop their prices, and ammo will start being available again.

Queen_of_Thunder
October 31, 2013, 01:03 PM
This. The current panic pricing and lack of stock on .22LR ammo is not due to "hoarders" or "flippers" or "newbies" it is entirely due to people who continue to pay stupid prices for no good reason. If they would stop paying inflated prices, the flippers would stop stripping Walmart every morning, the retailers would drop their prices, and ammo will start being available again.
I call Bull patties on your statement. To claim new shooters to the hobby(5-20 million) have no impact on ammo supply and then go on to claim that someone getting a couple boxes a week at whatever price they can is the reason there is no ammo is simply a statement without a single fact to support it.

You know we are what 11 months into this and people still have no idea how much ammo is being delivered to stores like walmart or Academy. A case in fact my local Academy got all of 2 cases of federal automatch,325 count boxes on Monday. Two cases even before this mess happened wouldn't have lasted an hour on their ammo shelf. Add a shortage to the mix and that two cases has to last all week.

What we have here are people blaming others for their own failures, laziness or whatever. If one really wants the ammo then you will find your ammo. Don't tell me its not out there. It is and I've bought some 30,000 plus rounds of 22lr alone. Sometimes all I got was a 50 round box, sometimes nothing and sometimes a 1600 count of CCI mini mags but it wasn't easy. It took waiting in the cold winter mornings for several hours just for the chance to buy if it was available. It was important enough to me to make the effort to acquire the ammo I need and I was successful in doing so.

Quite frankly I don't like being called names by those to lazy and unwilling to make the effort needed to acquire ammo they need. The ammo is there. If those posting complaints about others put half that energy into acquiring ammo they would have a nice stockpile by now. I know because thats just what I did. Instead of complaining in January when I realized I had got caught short I decided would rectify the problem and make sure it would never happen again. I did an inventory of my ammo, stopped shooting matches, found out who had a regular delivery of ammo, found out what days it came in and started showing up. Its The last day of October and outside of 38spl,41mag and .303 British I'm in good shape. This experience believe it or not has been quite rewarding. I have about 30 new shooting partners, 50 new friends, more knowledge, 2 S&W revolvers I had been looking for and I've managed to get a few new people not only shooting but two are getting their CCW, one is a politician and several are now shooting trap. You can complain or you can make things happen. Its your choice.

tubeshooter
October 31, 2013, 01:20 PM
Some people complained AND eventually got ammo.


I know. I watched them do it all year.

WolverineFury
October 31, 2013, 01:25 PM
Along these lines, SGAmmo has 440 count and 880 count cases of 7.62x54r available (http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/762x54r) right now a a great price ($90 shipped for each spam can, which is the best I've been able to find online (or at local places)).

I just ordered, and would recemend you do too if you want to get some. Based on the number of cases SGAmmo has already sold it won't be on the shelves for too long.

myFRAGisFUBAR
October 31, 2013, 01:27 PM
It means reloaderes like me are getting a lot of free brass again! :D

anothernewb
October 31, 2013, 02:55 PM
Ammo is out there. but like others have said. sometimes you get lucky - and other times you gotta work for it. For the time being, and into the reasonable future - the days of walking in and buying a days worth of random blasting are gone. You gotta plan now.

It will probably be another 6 months+ before we really see 22 ammo available on demand. And by then the price will probably stabilize at 125-150% of what it was before. $25 might be the new norm for bulk packs.

Queen_of_Thunder
October 31, 2013, 03:06 PM
It means reloaderes like me are getting a lot of free brass again! :D
What brass. If people could get away with it they would grab your brass before it hit the ground. My local outdoor range is usually messy with brass under foot but you can't find brass anywhere now and its not because they are cleaning the range more often its because people are not leaving their brass behind anymore.

madwildcat
October 31, 2013, 03:09 PM
I would love to know were all these magical walmarts are that are carrying 22 at reasonable prices (as well as 223). All the ones around here are out, or only have 223 that is above 50 cents a round :eek:

Mike1234567
October 31, 2013, 05:12 PM
Yeah... the Floresville, TX Walmart has Independence FMJ for $10.47 per box. San Antonio isn't any better AFAIK.

anothernewb
October 31, 2013, 05:33 PM
ouch. cheap tula/wolf 55grain is still 5.29 in MN - and it's on the shelf

Midwest
October 31, 2013, 05:36 PM
I would love to know were all these magical walmarts are that are carrying 22 at reasonable prices (as well as 223). All the ones around here are out, or only have 223 that is above 50 cents a round :eek:
Maybe they are at Walmart, I think maybe I have been shopping there at the wrong time and perhaps just I'm not willing to "come back after 8 when the truck is unloaded". Maybe I am going to the wrong Walmart, or maybe I been going to the wrong Walmart in the wrong state....at the wrong time...

Well I guess I could go to Dicks Sporting Goods.... no... wait..strike that..gotta boycott them.... Or maybe the new Field and Stream Store...no...strike that too..boycott them too...DSG owns them.

I could try Meijer but they haven't handgun ammo since December 2012. That leaves two local gun stores..where all they have is expensive 'match ammo' at $1 per round...however Cabelas is only 90 miles away in Louisville........

madwildcat
October 31, 2013, 06:17 PM
Maybe they are at Walmart, I think maybe I have been shopping there at the wrong time and perhaps just I'm not willing to "come back after 8 when the truck is unloaded". Maybe I am going to the wrong Walmart, or maybe I been going to the wrong Walmart in the wrong state....at the wrong time...

Well I guess I could go to Dicks Sporting Goods.... no... wait..strike that..gotta boycott them.... Or maybe the new Field and Stream Store...no...strike that too..boycott them too...DSG owns them.

I could try Meijer but they haven't handgun ammo since December 2012. That leaves two local gun stores..where all they have is expensive 'match ammo' at $1 per round...however Cabelas is only 90 miles away in Louisville........
Hahaha. That reads about the same for me. Although to be fair my Cabelas is a little closer (its only an hour away).

CZ223
October 31, 2013, 08:57 PM
I have been saying right from the beginning that this IS going to last at least 2 YEARS. We are close to the halfway mark and I am not changing my mind. I stop by my local Wal-Mart at Zero dark thirty as often as I can, up to 7 days a week. I have gone as much as a week or more without being able to buy anything. It is getting easier, but it is no where near what most people would call normal. Normal is a thing of the past in as much as prices will never be as low as they were pre 2013. Yes Wal-mart seems to have 223 on the shelves on a regular basis but most of it is 50 cents or more per round. Nine mil sells out as fast as they can put it out and 22 is all but non-existent. Forty S&W, 45 ACP and 380 ACP are hit or miss and 38, 44 and 357 are almost as hard to come by as 22. The one thing they all have in common is that they all have increased in price. Without going into great detail, I can tell you that most of Wal-marts prices have increased by at least 25%, some items have almost doubled. Some may come back down a bit but they will never be as low as they were pre-panic.
I reload for more than 20 different calibers so I don't need to buy ammo other than 22, 22 mag and 17 HMR. I buy it for the same reason that some people buy silver and gold, it is a good investment. I am not the reason you don't have ammo, you are. Get your lazy butt out of bed at 4:45 like I do and stand in line at 5;30 like I do and you will get ammo. Believe me, I have plenty. See you at Wal-Mart at zero dark thirty tomorrow.;)

madwildcat
October 31, 2013, 09:21 PM
CZ223, sorry, if I am up that early its for work only, not to buy ammo. My sleep is worth a little more to me than that. To be fair, I prepared for the worst, so not as worried about ammo as some might be.

And hey, maybe its just one part of the country that has the ammo disappearing this fast. From what some of the other posters have said, there is ammo on the shelves, just not in my part of Texas :)

Warp
October 31, 2013, 09:36 PM
I have been saying right from the beginning that this IS going to last at least 2 YEARS. We are close to the halfway mark and I am not changing my mind. I stop by my local Wal-Mart at Zero dark thirty as often as I can, up to 7 days a week. I have gone as much as a week or more without being able to buy anything. It is getting easier, but it is no where near what most people would call normal. Normal is a thing of the past in as much as prices will never be as low as they were pre 2013. Yes Wal-mart seems to have 223 on the shelves on a regular basis but most of it is 50 cents or more per round. Nine mil sells out as fast as they can put it out and 22 is all but non-existent. Forty S&W, 45 ACP and 380 ACP are hit or miss and 38, 44 and 357 are almost as hard to come by as 22. The one thing they all have in common is that they all have increased in price. Without going into great detail, I can tell you that most of Wal-marts prices have increased by at least 25%, some items have almost doubled. Some may come back down a bit but they will never be as low as they were pre-panic.
I reload for more than 20 different calibers so I don't need to buy ammo other than 22, 22 mag and 17 HMR. I buy it for the same reason that some people buy silver and gold, it is a good investment. I am not the reason you don't have ammo, you are. Get your lazy butt out of bed at 4:45 like I do and stand in line at 5;30 like I do and you will get ammo. Believe me, I have plenty. See you at Wal-Mart at zero dark thirty tomorrow.;)

Most of the 5.56 and .223 I see is under $0.50 per round, a lot of it is under $0.40 per round, and a good bit of it is under $0.27 per round.

Tulammo runs $5.27/20
Prvi Partizan (PPU) .223 runs $7.97/20
Federal XM855 runs $0.42-$0.47

I think you are probably being a bit dramatic and looking at prices of stuff that has always been overpriced, like the Winchester stuff

madwildcat
October 31, 2013, 09:56 PM
The only one of those three at those prices I have seen since January is the Tula, and that was only once or twice. Saw some PPU as well but it was more like $12 a box (could have been 62 gr or something else, I stopped at the $12 price). Glad to hear at least some people are seeing ammo and even at reasonable prices.

Mike1234567
October 31, 2013, 10:32 PM
A few days ago I bought 600 rounds of Independence M193 in 20rd boxes for 42 cents/rd shipped. They had much more available but I already have some and don't need any more. My local Walmart has a bunch of Independence M855 but their price is 57 cents per round after tax... plus there's the purchase quantity limit. No thanks on the latter.

Cee Zee
November 1, 2013, 01:51 AM
To claim new shooters to the hobby(5-20 million) have no impact on ammo supply and then go on to claim that someone getting a couple boxes a week at whatever price they can is the reason there is no ammo is simply a statement without a single fact to support it.

I don't know how those new shooters can be affecting supply that much when there isn't any supply. And most new gun owners don't really shoot that much. I would be shocked to see that a big percentage of them would shoot a brick a day even if it's just one day a week. I've seen lots of weeks where I went through 5 bricks. I don't think new shooters do that. If they were super interested they would probably have been shooting already. I'm sure there are some that jumped in with both feet and love it. But just like the rush to buy up AR's it wasn't too long before we started seeing a lot of used AR's on shelves in gun shops. Those new buyers just didn't really shoot that much.

ColtPythonElite
November 1, 2013, 02:00 AM
Ain't much .22 shooting going on where I am at from either new or old. I go to the range 2-3 times a week and rarely see anyone. On the days I miss, I usually don't find evidence that anyones been there.

CZ223
November 1, 2013, 06:49 AM
I am self employed so I can generally start when I want. I am usually at Work by 6:30 so it gets me off to a good start. Also, I have been buying ammo as I can since Obama first got into office so, this spring when prices were through the roof I sold a lot of my stock for double and triple what I paid for it.:evil: As far as the prices go, I have been watching them for a long time, believe me or don't.

SuedePflow
November 1, 2013, 12:08 PM
Really. Are you saying 22lr is going for 68 cents a round because thats what Blazer Aluminum 158grain TC 38spcl is selling for at my local Academy.
I've never once paid more than .40/rd for .38spl and I just started buying it this summer. I've also never paid more then .04/rd for .22lr, but some current asking prices are ludicrous. I was at a gun show a few weeks ago where a 100-pack of mini-mags was $50 and that was a common price among several vendors. And they actually seemed offended when I laughed.

Midwest
November 1, 2013, 01:33 PM
I have been saying right from the beginning that this IS going to last at least 2 YEARS. We are close to the halfway mark and I am not changing my mind.
I think you are right. Although when the panic/shortage started...I first thought the shortage was going to last four to six months at the most, I was wrong.

Projecting this two year estimate, so by Dec 2014 the ammo supply should get back to normal and should last that way until the elections and if Hillary runs in 2016 and then if she wins....I don't think even shotgun shells will even be left on the shelves...Perhaps she will appoint anti-gunners Feinstein to head the BATF and Bloomberg to the Supreme Court.

anothernewb
November 1, 2013, 02:00 PM
geez... you had to make me think of that.... *hoarding impulse getting stronger*....

Mike1234567
November 1, 2013, 02:05 PM
I need to buy a couple of AR's plus a bunch of stripped lowers plus a bunch of mags... oh, and more ammo when I find it at "okay" prices. Mmm... but if it gets really bad then I may not be able to re-sell those lowers and extra mags. Hmm... what to do... what to do. Maybe just a boatload more ammo. Oops... here we go again. :)

Warp
November 1, 2013, 02:09 PM
And most new gun owners don't really shoot that much.

I'll wager that, on average, new gun owners shoot more than established gun owners. Sure, there is a subsection that shoots regularly, but for most it's a semi-annual event, at most, I think.

New shooters, or owners of new types/styles/kinds of guns, go out and shoot their new toy pretty soon after acquiring it.

alsaqr
November 1, 2013, 02:38 PM
The Lawton Academy store has 500-700 boxes of 9mm on the shelves today. Almost every brand is represented.

huntsman
November 1, 2013, 05:36 PM
New shooters, or owners of new types/styles/kinds of guns, go out and shoot their new toy pretty soon after acquiring it.

and that's how it should be, familiarity breeds confidence and proficiency. Just don't make the mistake of buying something in .22lr ;)

brassbullets12
November 1, 2013, 06:16 PM
i found a box 325 ct 22 at wally 2 weeks ago , which was the first since jan. for 18.99, been to 4 different walmarts since, not a round to be found

brassbullets12
November 1, 2013, 06:22 PM
i found a box 325 ct 22 at wally 2 weeks ago , which was the first since jan. for 18.99, been to 4 different walmarts since, not a round to be found

MagnunJoe
November 1, 2013, 06:41 PM
When I can pick up a couple of boxes of WWB 100 rounds of 9mm and a box of Federal 550 .22LR in the first or second store that I go to, every time that I want, then it will be over. Till then, the fat lady had yet to sing.

CZ223
November 1, 2013, 08:31 PM
Notice that I said at least 2 years. I based this solely on what happened five years ago when Obama was elected. It was a solid two years before you could depend on getting what you wanted when you wanted, at least in my neck of the woods. That is my definition of normal. Every time some moron goes on a rampage with a gun, like today at LAX, there is always the chance of more absurd legislation being proposed/enacted which could trigger more panic buying. As someone else so astutely pointed out, the 2016 elections, as well as the 2014 elections, could trigger more fear of restrictions resulting in more panic buying.

TomJones
November 2, 2013, 12:22 AM
CZ223 That is just the begining. Ex sen Gifford is getting a bunch of sponsors to donate a lot of money, I mean 100s of Millions to challenge the NRA.as per article on Yahoo about a week ago. so this is as good as it will get. Don't mean to be a doom-sayer, but the anti gun nuts have pledged to keep the pressure on to make shooting so expensive only the uber wealthy will be able to afford it.

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