anneal 223 or not?


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edfardos
October 29, 2013, 10:28 PM
After five reloadings of once fired brass I get 10% neck splits. Anyone getting better life by annealing? Assuming annealing reduces the neck splits, how many reloads do you get before insipient head separation?

This is commercial 223 brass, full length sized, and the ar15 also puts scratches in the neck, which also promotes the splits.

So... worth annealing, or junk the brass after 5 or 6 reloads?

Thanks,
Edfardos

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cfullgraf
October 29, 2013, 10:36 PM
I do not anneal 223 Remington, or any other case for that matter. I am not saying it is not a worth while endeavor, I just choose to not spend the time.

With 223 Remington, those shot in an AR start to get loose primer pockets around 5 or 6 loadings and I do not experience neck splitting.

In my bolt rifle, cases last longer. I frequently move cases fired several times in the ARs to the bolt rifle.

Laphroaig
October 29, 2013, 10:52 PM
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. When I do a batch of brass, I try to anneal after the 3rd loading. I use the torch method in a fairly dark room, and heat until the start of a dull red then drop into a bucket of water.

Generally get 10+ loadings without neck cracking. Without, like you, 5 or 6 and necks start cracking.

The only problem I've had with loose primer pockets is with federal brass.

Laphroaig

jmorris
October 29, 2013, 11:09 PM
I almost never annealed cases until I built a machine that could make the process consistant for every case. As most of my .223 brass comes from 3 gun matches, all of it gets annealed before loading and I don't get split necks, however, I say shoot them until they split and recycle them if you have a good supply of them.

Walkalong
October 30, 2013, 08:36 AM
For plinking loads in .223 with no annealing, I get 8 to 12 firings from .223 range brass FL sizing to fit a Wilson case gauge. The cases get scrapped due to loose primer pockets. An occasional case will have a split neck. I am loading a hair under max.

Rangemaster
October 30, 2013, 08:46 AM
I anneal for concentricity to control runout. Before I got my annealer I was getting 5-10 shootings per case.

horseman1
October 30, 2013, 12:12 PM
After five reloadings of once fired brass I get 10% neck splits. Anyone getting better life by annealing? Assuming annealing reduces the neck splits, how many reloads do you get before insipient head separation?



That's a really good question. I have the same concerns.

Comrade Mike
October 30, 2013, 12:35 PM
How do you guys anneal consistently?

carbine85
October 30, 2013, 01:23 PM
I anneal after 3 or so reloads and usually scrap the brass after around 6 reloads.
I use a 1/2" deep well socket in a cordless drill, a Harbor Freight torch and simply heat it until the color looks right. I don't make a big deal out of annealing.

jmorris
October 30, 2013, 04:18 PM
How do you guys anneal consistently?


I use this machine. A few hundred other folks do too.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=434828&highlight=auto+annealer

lightman
October 30, 2013, 04:33 PM
I never felt the need to anneal, until just lately. I started getting split necks on my Winchester brass on the first and second firing. While 223 brass is fairly cheap, I invest a lot of work on case prep. It seems like everyones QC slipped during the 2008 panic, and never came back up.

Anyway, I bought a Giraud Annealing Machine, and now I anneal. I'm hoping the split necks stop. Lightman

edfardos
October 30, 2013, 07:04 PM
Thanks for all the detailed replies!

I suppose I'm still on the fence, but the lack of availability of 223 brass makes me want to do something if I can get a couple more reloads from my existing brass. Maybe I'll try a batch and report back the benefit if any.

Thanks again,
Edfardos

Dr.Zubrato
October 30, 2013, 07:45 PM
Let us know, Im on the fence for annealing too, wondering if the extra work is worth it, coming up on the fourth loading on some LC brass.
Boy i wish I had that giraud annealer!

hentown
October 30, 2013, 08:45 PM
I don't believe folks quench in water anymore.

NeuseRvrRat
October 30, 2013, 09:21 PM
there's enough .223 brass laying around the range that i never have to buy any. to me, it's not worth the effort to anneal it when it's free. that's for case life. if you were considering annealing for accuracy, then that may change things.

quartermaster
October 30, 2013, 11:26 PM
I bought a vortex machine a few years ago. I think it does add to case life providing you don't load hot enough to expand the primer pockets. I guess that eventually happens even with normal loads. I go the whole route of work when loading to prep my brass to get the most uniform brass that I can, so I kind of always felt that annealing every 3rd loading or so would give more uniform neck tension.

The machine makes for fast work of the task. If I didn't do the amount of reloading and shooting that I do, I wouldn't have invested in the annealer, but since I have it I do all my brass even the AR 223s

horseman1
October 31, 2013, 12:05 PM
Well, I did 200 previously used Lake City cases last night.

Stole the dogs stainless steel water dish. Went out to the shop in the barn and chucked up an Allen socket backwards in the cordless drill and used the 3/8" ratchet end to hold the 223 brass.

Put the torch in a homemade PVC torch older. Lit the torch and a few seconds of spinning in the flame, just before it starts to glow red and tip it down to plop into the dog water.

Didn't take long at all.

smokey262
October 31, 2013, 10:29 PM
I don't believe folks quench in water anymore.
What other cooling medium do folks use? I use water

jmorris
October 31, 2013, 10:54 PM
I use air but you can hold the cases right out of the flame.


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Offfhand
November 1, 2013, 02:12 PM
Quoted from above post.

"I anneal for concentricity to control runout."

Would be interesting to know how this controls runout. More details please? Thanks

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