Jesse James Firearms


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Grassman
October 31, 2013, 09:46 AM
Yes, the motorcycle guy.

http://www.guns.com/2013/10/30/introducing-jesse-james-firearms-unlimited-manufacturing-company/

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SuperNaut
October 31, 2013, 10:04 AM
I dig his sleds, but as of now JJFU is just a drawing on a napkin.

kitsapshooter
October 31, 2013, 10:07 AM
He is like 100th on my top 10 to buy a car or bike from. I do like his personal collection.

gym
October 31, 2013, 10:59 AM
They will sell

Arkansas Paul
October 31, 2013, 11:32 AM
Well we needed someone else to make overpriced ARs and 1911s. Hell, there are hardly anybody out there that offers them.

gym
October 31, 2013, 11:48 AM
He may make a really cool looking guns, let's give the guy a chance. He is a perfectionist, and believes in the old ways of doing things. More hands on craftsmanship. At least wait for the guy to show us what he's got.
He created a whole new type of bike with the fat tire and custom frames, maybe he has something to offer. If you are a good builder it should carry over. If he screws up we will have plenty of chances to let him know.

mooner
October 31, 2013, 11:58 AM
His motorcycles were certainly more about style than substance. There definitely is (or was) a large market for this within the Harley crowd. Not sure how this will translate into firearms. Probably well. There seems to be an overabundance of both bikers and gun owners that are seriously distracted by shiny objects. (notice I did not use the terms "motorcyclists" or "shooters" :D)

1KPerDay
October 31, 2013, 01:06 PM
James plans to do with guns what he did with motorcycles, namely, build crap and sell it to ignorant rubes

fxd

Sam Cade
October 31, 2013, 01:10 PM
JJFU is planning a Model 1911 pistol and some type of AR-15 rifle

If there is one thing...ok two things..... the firearms industry needs it is more boutique 1911s and ARs..

303tom
October 31, 2013, 02:09 PM
He can be kind of an jerk, but from what I have heard he has a good product, I think they will sell..............

herrwalther
October 31, 2013, 02:10 PM
He is a bandwagon opportunist. He is going to make something stylish and sell it at a huge markup *cough Red Jacket.* I won't buy anything from him but the more pro 2A celebrities we have the better, so I am not complaining.

desidog
October 31, 2013, 02:27 PM
What? No mention of the accompanying "reality" show?

CharlieDeltaJuliet
October 31, 2013, 02:46 PM
Sad part is people will line up to buy them. After seeing his custom Browning BAR on Sons of Guns, no thanks... I don't like his taste in guns.

madwildcat
October 31, 2013, 02:47 PM
Hey, if he brings some decent press and new people into the gun owner community, he gets a pass in my book. Even if his guns end up way too expensive ;)

dusty14u
October 31, 2013, 04:44 PM
He created a whole new type of bike with the fat tire and custom frames, maybe he has something to offer. If you are a good builder it should carry over. If he screws up we will have plenty of chances to let him know.


I am sure Arlen Ness and others were building that type of bike before James was born. In fact , much better bikes than James has ever built.

I guess the 1911 and AR15 wasn't crowded enough. I was telling my son in law the other day, "we need more 1911's and AR's designed like motorcycles".:rolleyes:

1KPerDay
October 31, 2013, 05:04 PM
He created a whole new type of bike with the fat tire and custom frames
LOL

I'd counter by saying a more apt description would be more like Ruger, "improving" on others' designs, but that would be an insult to Ruger.

Yo Mama
October 31, 2013, 05:53 PM
Considering his anti semitic history, I'm hoping he fails miserably:

http://assets-s3.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/photo_galleries/regular_galleries/930-top-meltdowns-of-2010/photos/1294441559_jesse-james-lg.jpg

Oh, and he cheated on my girl Sandra, that's just unforgivable.

grubbylabs
October 31, 2013, 06:17 PM
I suppose I could tell you what I think of him, but I don't feel like getting banned today.:D

Fremmer
October 31, 2013, 06:40 PM
Let's wait and see what the final product looks like and how it performs.

IROCZ
October 31, 2013, 06:50 PM
I'll pass. Thanks.

Teachu2
October 31, 2013, 06:50 PM
They will probably be airbrushed....

He's a man who knows quality - had Sandra, wanted Kat.

dagger dog
October 31, 2013, 07:24 PM
The deluxe high end models will be tattooed instead of engraved !

kitsapshooter
October 31, 2013, 08:06 PM
Now thats funny right there

lathedog
October 31, 2013, 11:29 PM
I notice there is no detail on the actual company website except a few paragraphs preparing us to be amazed.

From what I saw of his work on his TV show, I am not surprised the new firearms company is based on the AR-15 and 1911. The two designs with the highest availability of cheap parts that can be kitchen-tabled into a firearm that more or less functions.

My prediction is some other company already in business will "build" the guns and then paint flames on the sides. My guess is a JJ sticker on a Blackthorne product. Or maybe Century.

southjk
November 1, 2013, 04:04 PM
What? No mention of the accompanying "reality" show?

Haha, that was exactly my thought as well when I first read this the other day. I'm sure he'll build decent, overpriced guns that will sell. Not to me but he will have a market.

Grassman
November 1, 2013, 07:31 PM
Will his AR lowers have flames milled in?

barnbwt
November 1, 2013, 09:50 PM
"Will his AR lowers have flames milled in?"
No, but they will be grey and balding :neener:

My guess is the plan is total hogwash.
AR; makers are known for high-tech automated processes and futuristic super materials. Consistency is key. Engineering is key. Tactical is key. Peformance is measured ruthlessly with torture and endurance tests in the pursuit of induced failure at the furthest point beyond what is expected in use.

1911; makers are known as "Masters" for having attained the highest levels of mystical prowess in the black arts of massaging metal and the taming of triggers. An impenetrable veil of inexplicable costs and unappreciated crastsmanship awaits any neophyte whose hands would be unworthy of such skill and effort. The best makers craft each gun to fit the unique desires of their patrons, hand fitting and finishing every last part in the obsessive pursuit of ultimate refinement and excellence. "The best" will be capable of accuracy unimaginable to mere mortals, made of materials from distant lands lost to myth, and built with countless closely guarded secrets known only to the Guild.

With enough time and training, I fully believe JJ capable of the latter, but he's not there yet. The AR market doesn't really lend itself to the one-off custom crowd he's worked with in the past. Not sure what he's going for here, besides a Martha Stewart clothing line (but with guns) and the ubiquitous reality show? :scrutiny: That would seem to be the case, since 1911 and AR are merely the two most commonly marketed firearms these days, which is probably what his reality-show bosses' focus groups reflected :rolleyes:

TCB

blarby
November 1, 2013, 09:57 PM
I suppose I could tell you what I think of him, but I don't feel like getting banned today.

There room for another seat on that boat ?

grubbylabs
November 2, 2013, 12:37 AM
Of course, you are always welcome aboard

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gym
November 3, 2013, 11:18 AM
If it sells guns and people like it, then it's a good thing. I know who Ness is and his son, there was just a special on them a few weeks ago. Jessie still did a lot of tings with metal that were unique. Like that Copper bike. Many people like to target successful people who make it big in any field.
If it was that easy everyone could do it. He has a presence that can be used to further the pro gun cause, that's all that counts. You don't have to like the guy, but let's see what he comes up with before burning him to the cross. He's never been one to care what people thought of him, he just applies his craft and people seem to like it.
Personally I don't care who he was married to nor see what that has to do with guns or motorcycles. These people who become exposed to the lights and fame often lose their way at first. And don't forget the marketing will be done for the average joe, who watches "red jacket" and pays double for their guns", so anyone who comes along and gives them a little competition, is smart, why not cash in on your name, look at all the shows that have come and gone building guns and bikes. Half of them were just assembling kit's out of the box. If he contributes one new interesting piece of equipment, it will be worth it. He does have an interesting methodology as far as creating new things. Maybe something in Titanium.

r1derbike
November 3, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jesse James guns? He better hope Sandra doesn't buy one.

May not go well for him.

Seriously, I watched his chopper show for a bit, but it got old quickly.

Kudos for branching into other interests, but an AR and a 1911? I smell overpriced blingy safe queens.

red04montels
November 3, 2013, 12:12 PM
So he's just taking AR's and 1911's and painting them or what?

Grassman
November 18, 2013, 05:08 PM
Here's some of his work.

http://www.guns.com/2013/11/18/tfb-gets-first-look-jesse-james-firearms-unlimiteds-guns-12-photos/

RetiredUSNChief
November 18, 2013, 05:48 PM
If he's going to open up with custom AR-15's and 1911's, I couldn't think of anything more challenging.

I mean...he's got to come up with SOMETHING to compete with the existing custom market in order to be successful, right?

Quite frankly, I can't think of what he can offer in a custom AR-15 that would be anything special. It's already pretty much the ultimate "custom, do-it-yourself" platform, right? And that's the major appeal of that particular firearm.

I'm sure there will be a market for his products...but it remains to be seen how MUCH of a market there is and what kind of prices he'll be commanding for his product. He's an artist at the bikes, but unless his premium firearms pass the muster on performance as well he's not likely to go far.

Be cool to see his artistic input into the market, though, whatever it may be.

50 Shooter
November 18, 2013, 08:58 PM
More over priced stuff built by someone else with a wanna be celebs name on it to jack the price up. I'll pass as I don't care for him or paying for already over priced guns.

Besides, when Jesse lived here in CA he didn't do squat to help us fight the .50 ban. Well, other then run out and buy a couple...

MBaneACP
November 18, 2013, 10:29 PM
I am going to have to come in very strongly for Mr. James. I was at the "coming out" party last Saturday night in Austin. STI International is doing the heavy lifting on the 1911s, to James' specifics. I have gone on record as saying STI makes the best out-of-the-box 1911s in the world. I'll stand on that.

On the ARs, the uppers and lowers are from Houlding Precision...Todd builds some of the best ARs around...that's why even though the AR bubble has popped, there's a long waiting list for Todd's guns.

The ARs are built with premium parts...in fact, the same parts I use in my personal guns — MagPul furniture, Geisselle triggers, Wilson Combat or FNH hammer-forged barrels, BCM charging handle, Rubber City bolt carriers, etc. The brake is James' own design.

He and I talked a lot about his patented silencer, which, yes, looks uncannily like a sweet potato..."dude," he said, "I've spent my whole career on intake manifolds and exhaust systems..."

I haven't shot the guns, but I will. Custom is custom. I have at times paid a lot of money for custom guns, not because I thought they were tactical rockets or the ultimate anything, but because they were EXACTLY the way I wanted them.

Give the guy a chance. I don't give a damn who he sleeps with.

Michael B

sig228
November 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
Meh....not impressed....

jasonsch
November 18, 2013, 10:54 PM
I think just the fact that his name is Jesse James helped to get him a lot further than anything. If his name was Poindexter Snodgrass... Would anybody care about this guy??:confused:

9MMare
November 18, 2013, 11:23 PM
Meh...you publicly humiliate your wife, not to mention serially breaking the contract of marriage...and it may affect your business.

Or not. Depends on your clientele but the free market does have its advantages.

MBaneACP
November 19, 2013, 01:38 PM
If we are going to make "honoring the marriage contract" a condition of being accepted as part of our gun culture, it's going to get MIGHTY LONELY around these parts!

LOL!

Michael B

9MMare
November 19, 2013, 03:05 PM
well, that's nothing to be proud of IMO but my point was that buyers have that info and can do with it what they choose, just like with politicians.

You're probably right tho....most people dont seem to care.

Plastikosmd
November 19, 2013, 06:26 PM
Looking forward to see what he brings to the market.

1KPerDay
November 19, 2013, 06:43 PM
Long as I can get me a JJFU-branded flat-bill baseball cap to wear sideways, I'll be happy.

Ranb
November 21, 2013, 06:18 PM
Those silencer baffles look rather lame. I wonder if they have any noise data on it?

Ranb

1KPerDay
November 21, 2013, 06:29 PM
Those silencer baffles look rather lame. I wonder if they have any noise data on it?

Ranb
I find it rather ironic that a dude known for making the most obnoxiously loud pipes in the universe is now an expert on silencers.

Millwright
November 21, 2013, 06:31 PM
I wish JJ a lot of luck ! He's going to need it !

Building functional, reliable and durable firearms ( where .0001" is a significant number") is a far cry from bikes where +/- .003" is tolerable ! >MW

Teachu2
November 21, 2013, 10:42 PM
He's marketing contracted out guns built to his specs, with the Jesse James logo. That logo only make the gun worth less to me. YMMV, but on my list of 10,000 guns I'd want to own, it's not.

RetiredUSNChief
November 22, 2013, 11:15 AM
He's marketing contracted out guns built to his specs, with the Jesse James logo. That logo only make the gun worth less to me. YMMV, but on my list of 10,000 guns I'd want to own, it's not.

Soooo...

He's not actually going to be the craftsman for the work? Seems kinda silly to me. I can already contract out to have a gun built to my own specs, inclusing having my own logo put on it.

:scrutiny:

horsinaround930
November 22, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jesse James is a master at his trade as a metal worker. I would not go as far to say that he is the best but he is certainly one of the most well rounded metal workers in the trade. That being said, guns are mostly made of metal and I'm sure he has the skill set to produce quality firearms on his own however, this does not seem to be a get rich on gun building scheme as much as it is a celebrity stunt put on by a television network and/or gun shops to promote the companies, Jesse is just an actor in this case. If you ask me, it looks like positive media exposure for the firearm community. I also don't care what kind of morals he holds just as I don't care what kind of morals john browning held. I am a gun, motorcycle, and aircraft enthusiast and work on all of these things. I am not into caring about what others are doing on their spare time, if they build/promote a quality product and I am attracted by the form and function of said product, I will buy it.

Ranb
November 22, 2013, 01:24 PM
From what I read his bike building business only made money on the accessories, the cost of the custom bikes themselves were more than the market would bear. Anyone buying his logo'ed stuff is most likely wasting their money, especially on the silencer. Time will tell.

Ranb

50 Shooter
November 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
After looking at his logo, it looks like the tip of a blown up condom with lightning bolts coming out of it.

I can come up with a better logo then that and I'm not even an artist.

BobTheTomato
November 22, 2013, 08:58 PM
Wow.....$3,000 for a 1911 or an AR-15. I haven't seen anyone try to take people like that since one of those gun shows tried to sell an ex-NFLer a single shot rifle for like $5,000 so he could go hunting.

AJAX22
November 23, 2013, 02:46 AM
His AR definitely has an unusual tip to it....

Kind of resembles an adult novelty item that ends in the word "Plug"

PabloJ
November 23, 2013, 06:48 AM
At one time I foolishly passed on Jesse James piece. It was wonderful top break S&W .45 cavalry revolver made ca. 2000. It came with wonderful oak hard case. The price was laughable pocket change of $1100.

PabloJ
November 23, 2013, 06:54 AM
Considering his anti semitic history, I'm hoping he fails miserably:

http://assets-s3.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/photo_galleries/regular_galleries/930-top-meltdowns-of-2010/photos/1294441559_jesse-james-lg.jpg

Oh, and he cheated on my girl Sandra, that's just unforgivable.
That must be American Halloween gig. "Melting Pot" mixed ethnicities were not allowed into the organization. Later in war ethnic units were allowed to fight on the Eastern front.

KTXdm9
November 23, 2013, 10:50 AM
Uh yeah, I think I'll pass.

Speedo66
November 23, 2013, 11:52 AM
Quote from the article: "About the guns: it looks like Jesse Jamesí first guns wonít be made in-house. His company is going to buy them from other manufacturers and customize them after the fact. The 1911 is reportedly an STI custom with the Jesse James Firearms Unlimited logo and a significant JJFU markup."

Hmm, nothing really changed. He built motorcycles with Harley clone engines, not much innovation there, added some bling, and charged amounts only rock stars, pro ball players, and coke dealers could afford.

So now he takes a gun design that's been around for over 100 years, sort of like a Harley engine, has someone else make it, adds bling, and charges a fortune for it.

Anyone else see a pattern here? I understand there's an emperor looking for some new clothes.

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