Suppressed Hi-Points?


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DeadFlies
October 31, 2013, 10:38 AM
Both of the smaller framed pistols (.380 and 9mm) came in a model with a longer barrel, onto which a compensator is attached with, I believe, a set screw.

Could that length of barrel be threaded to accept a suppressor? I think the carbines work the same way, as they all have compensators too.

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USAF_Vet
October 31, 2013, 01:35 PM
Technically, yes. But it begs the question why?

Not bashing Hi Point, but I fail to see the purpose of the $200 stamp expense, plus the cost of the suppressor, to slap on a $150 pistol.

Telekinesis
October 31, 2013, 02:21 PM
If I recall correctly, hi points are also blowback weapons, which means you're going to get more noise out of the ejection port than you would with a browning type action.

I'll also second the question of why you'd do that to a hi point. There are other hosts that are MUCH better at handiling a suppressor than a blowback 9mm. The expense of a second threaded barrel for another gun will likely be close to what you spend to get the hi point threaded anyway. I understand wanting to suppress something different (which is why I'm working on finding someone to thread a P64 for my micro 9mm can) but if you're looking for a cheap way into the suppressor game, I fear it's going to be a good bit more expensive than you were hoping and I don't think you'll be happy with the results.

And if you do wind up suppressing it, remember that if you have a fixed barrel you need a fixed mount, and if you have a tilting barrel you need a booster on the can.

Aaron Baker
October 31, 2013, 05:28 PM
Really guys? I don't see any reason NOT to put a suppressor on a Hi Point. (Unless you just happen to dislike ugly Hi Points, which I personally do.)

Just because you thread the barrel on a Hi Point doesn't mean it is your only host gun. And just because you have a suppressor doesn't mean it has to go on a quality gun all the time. I've got a serviceable 9mm suppressor coming my way soon and I plan to thread the barrel on a single shot Western Field .22 rifle manufactured in the 1930s that I paid... well, I traded a worn-out GM V6 engine for it. Why? Wrong question. Why not?

The two upsides are: if there was an extended factory barrel, then someone like ADCO ought to be able to thread that pretty easily. Second, the fact that the 9mm and the .380 are both blowback operated as opposed to a tilting barrel means he doesn't need the expensive booster--he can use a cheaper fixed mount. Most 9mms will need a booster because there are fewer blowback 9mms than there are tilting barrel designs.

Sounds like a fun idea to me!

Aaron

Mike1234567
October 31, 2013, 05:53 PM
I had a .45 ACP carbine and asked about threading the barrel... was told not enough thickness to be safe. But that was three years ago.

DeadFlies
October 31, 2013, 06:10 PM
If I recall correctly, hi points are also blowback weapons, which means you're going to get more noise out of the ejection port than you would with a browning type action.

I'll also second the question of why you'd do that to a hi point. There are other hosts that are MUCH better at handiling a suppressor than a blowback 9mm. The expense of a second threaded barrel for another gun will likely be close to what you spend to get the hi point threaded anyway. I understand wanting to suppress something different (which is why I'm working on finding someone to thread a P64 for my micro 9mm can) but if you're looking for a cheap way into the suppressor game, I fear it's going to be a good bit more expensive than you were hoping and I don't think you'll be happy with the results.

And if you do wind up suppressing it, remember that if you have a fixed barrel you need a fixed mount, and if you have a tilting barrel you need a booster on the can.

Thanks for the reply. I guess I was just wondering if it was even feasible or if there was something in the design of the Hi-Point that would preclude using it as a host for a suppressor.

Aside from being a blowback design (and being ugly, heavy, cheap, ad nauseum) what makes the Hi-Point such an unsuitable platform?

Jim K
October 31, 2013, 06:17 PM
One thought. If a person were to have to use a gun in some situations, it will be confiscated and probably never returned. If it has a suppressor, the chance that it and the suppressor will be seized and destroyed increases greatly.

Were such a thing to happen, would it be better if the gun were a $150 Hi Point or a $3000 big ticket pistol?

Jim

USAF_Vet
October 31, 2013, 06:54 PM
Aside from being a blowback design (and being ugly, heavy, cheap, ad nauseum) what makes the Hi-Point such an unsuitable platform?

Nothing. Just the idea of spending a lot of time and money on such an inexpensive host gun doesn't sit with me, personally. While its true the suppressor does not need to stay on the Hi Point, I wouldn't spend the time and money on the stamp.

Aaron Baker
October 31, 2013, 08:59 PM
Nothing. Just the idea of spending a lot of time and money on such an inexpensive host gun doesn't sit with me, personally. While its true the suppressor does not need to stay on the Hi Point, I wouldn't spend the time and money on the stamp.

Meh. ADCO threads extended barrels for $65. That's pretty cheap. If you've already got the suppressor, then that's the only additional cost. I really doubt the OP is intending to buy a suppressor and pay for a tax stamp ONLY to put a suppressor on a Hi Point.

Aaron

SharpsDressedMan
October 31, 2013, 09:20 PM
As mentioned, they are blowbacks, and as such might dump a bit more gas and powder in your face than a delayed blowback pistol. A stronger spring can counter some of this, but in the end it would be no better or worse than a suppressed MAC-10 SMG or pistol for noise or breech gas blowback.

DeadFlies
October 31, 2013, 09:27 PM
I'm just running this idea by some people who are more knowledgeable than I. The whole appeal of the Hi-Point is that it is cheap, readily available (armslist and gunbroker have a few comps all the time) and only needs the barrel threaded.

Cheap.

IF the results are going to be disappointing then it's all money wasted. But if a guy an build a perfectly adequate suppressor host for $200 or less, then why not?

Telekinesis
October 31, 2013, 10:53 PM
The hi point isn't really unsuitable, just much less suitable when compared to a lot of other guns. If you have other hosts and are just wanting to have something a little different, go for it. But if you are just getting into the suppressor game and want to use it as your main host, I wouldn't say it was a good choice.

The fact that the gun is a blow back operating system is the main reason I would avoid it. You can play with spring rates to try to keep the breech closed a bit longer, but it still will be louder than a locked breech pistol. If you really want to suppress a blowback gun, there are some more interesting pieces out there that shouldn't break the bank. And worst case scenario if you're really trying to pinch pennies, buy the can and save up for the host over the 12+ month transfer wait. Just a few dollars a month and you can get a nice pistol and threaded barrel.

JustinJ
October 31, 2013, 10:54 PM
It will be interesting to see how pot metal can hold up to a can.

DeadFlies
November 1, 2013, 06:52 AM
It will be interesting to see how pot metal can hold up to a can.

That's an interesting point. Which parts of the gun are stressed by adding a can to a pistol? Again, would this consideration also make a Hi-Point unsuitable?

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