Just curious what you all think.


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fuel664
November 2, 2013, 12:44 AM
NOOB HERE.. ok. so i was bored and looking at custom guns on google. and came across custom nerf guns. so i got to thinking could you safely/legally put a .22lr action/barrel/assembly in a gutted nerf gun? so i went down to walmart and bought a nerf gun and pulled the marlin 795 out and got to work. about 5 hours later i had the .22 perfectly fitted inside the nerf shell. right now im waiting for paint to dry so i haven't shot it yet, BUT, do you think the heat would melt the plastic? and now the nerf stock covers the serial #, is that an issue? ...btw i used engine enamel spray paint for most of it (inside and out)..if that makes a difference. any feed back is appreciated :D

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mljdeckard
November 2, 2013, 12:46 AM
Yes. All KINDS of good can come from this. :what:

There's a reason the only toy guns in my house are guns that cannot be mistaken for real guns.

montanaoffroader
November 2, 2013, 12:49 AM
Pics?

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 01:05 AM
don't worry all my guns go in the garage (locked), and its ALOT heavier than normal. i put silicon in the butt and handle to even out the weight distribution. and im trying to figure out how to attach pics, give me a min lol

frankenstein406
November 2, 2013, 01:08 AM
Most people chose airsoft guns

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 01:09 AM
Before paint:
190696
190697

armsmaster270
November 2, 2013, 01:12 AM
By hiding the action in a nerf gun you have made it a concealed weapon.

frankenstein406
November 2, 2013, 01:13 AM
Can you post pics of it painted? Wonder what it would look.like with the orange stuff cut off. Price?

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 01:20 AM
got the gun on sale for $150 or $175 (i dont remember) a year or two ago. the nerf was $26. 2 tubes of silicone, pine 2x4, and spray paint i already had. and its all taken apart paint drying as of right now but tomorrow ill have it together and hopefully at the range. and as for being concealed weapon, they are legal in alaska without a permit.

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 01:25 AM
thats basically the paint job im going for minus the silver barrel and with a little red and brass thrown in there
190698

but seriously any more info on legality? hate to sound pushy, i just dont want jail time over a technicality.

sixgunner455
November 2, 2013, 01:34 AM
How could that possibly be construed as a concealed weapon? Especially once you have painted it, it's just a rifle, and still obviously a rifle, in a different chassis/stock than it was before.

Eb1
November 2, 2013, 02:24 AM
If hiding the action makes a rifle a "concealed gun" then an AR-15 would be a concealed gun. Right?

CoyoteSix
November 2, 2013, 04:19 AM
This is a very cool project, how hard was it? Also, how do you plan to aim with the thing?

Deus Machina
November 2, 2013, 04:40 AM
Since it is still clearly a rifle, as long as all other local laws about length and such at upheld to, I would think it's legal and cosmetic changes only.
I am not a lawyer.

You may want to send a letter to the ATF and ask--before finishing. Specify that it is not intended to make it look any less like a weapon or to disguise it as a toy or anything else nonthreatening. It may just be essentially considered as re-purposing a Nerf shell as a replacement stock, and they may not care. Maybe their opinion would come down to whether the original serial number is visible or something. It's tough to tell with them, sometimes.

My opinion is that prop guns are cool but as props, but that you should be in the clear within limits.

OARNGESI
November 2, 2013, 04:51 AM
there was a guy on here that did the same thing using airsoftguns.

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 04:54 AM
el cheapo red dot for now, it has rails on top. pretty easy to do actually. more i drank the easyer it seemed to get :D but i looked at airsoft guns but i cant find any "cool" ones that are cheap. m16/m4 was 111$ when i was at wally world today. i have a mp5 at my house but barrel hole in frame is to far away from trigger for it to line up nicely.

and i didnt even think about asking atf what there take on it would be. thank you for that

bigfatdave
November 2, 2013, 05:57 AM
I don't see why you'd ask permission.

Just make sure it is obviously a real gun and don't worry about it. If hello kitty AK's and AR's aren't a problem, why would re-purposing a ready-made gun-shaped piece of plastic be a problem?

I might lose the "Nerf" logo in an obvious way, maybe.

I also think that what you've donw with that 795 is a bit silly ... ... ...
...BUT ...
... I'm now pondering a steampunk shell over a Henry levergun. Wood, brass, copper, & leather, lots of extra levers and whatnot to swap out mags and optics, maybe?
And some kind of silly visible gearing system to extend/retract the stock, maybe steal a rack&pinion assembly from something else and apply lots of copper-colored paint?
(I hate "steampunk" where the levers and controls don't DO anything)

I suppose a takedown gun would be ideal for this, the Mrs would stab me in the neck if I did something to her Papoose, and I'm not altering one of the other classics ... but that Ruger 10/22 takedown would be REALLY easy to fit into a shell of some kind, and the AR7 rifles are practically MADE for this kind of dress-up game.

I'd have to be able to restore the Henry to traditional looks, of course, but swapping the stock for something ridiculous and putting a shell over the action is hardly "making an 'any other weapon' or 'concealed weapon' from the original.
And covering the serial # isn't even unusual, there are bone stock revolvers from the factory that have the serial# under the grips. I'm pretty sure that's a non-issue if you can reveal the # with normal tools. (it would probably be hard to explain why you'd glues a plate over the serial#, or otherwise permanently obscured it)
If it makes you feel better to make a cutout for the serial#, go for it, it can't hurt anything.

JohnKSa
November 2, 2013, 05:57 AM
Not really something I've studied much, but I wonder if this would qualify as an NFA AOW because it is a disguised firearm.

Now it looks like a toy rifle which is not a firearm.

Sort of like a flare pistol (which is not a firearm) which is an AOW when it is used with an ammunition insert that allows it to fire normal firearm ammunition.

bigfatdave
November 2, 2013, 06:09 AM
A wallet holster that leaves the slide exposed on your pocket pistol isn't an AOW
- - this isn't that different

If I put some tape over the muzzle of my hunting rifle to keep out rain, is it an AOW?
- - what if I only have orange electrical tape on hand? What if I want to use a contrasting color to make it obvious there's a muzzle cover at a glance?

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It takes a real magazine, with real ammo
It has a real barrel sticking conspicuously out the front end
I could dress up an AR with colored parts and make something very similar
There is no Mens rea involved (assumption)

iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns
November 2, 2013, 06:20 AM
Looks pretty cool! I see it as no different than swapping out the stock. Like getting the 'p90 kit' for a 10-22

RetiredUSNChief
November 2, 2013, 07:02 AM
Well...nothing bad can come of THIS...

Perchance there is a reason NERF guns look like toys and not real guns, maybe?

:scrutiny:

bannockburn
November 2, 2013, 07:35 AM
Just looks like another customized rifle to me, no different than all those customized 10/22 rifles out there.

khegglie
November 2, 2013, 09:11 AM
Okay but why??

45_auto
November 2, 2013, 09:50 AM
As others have said, it's no different than putting a 10/22 in a ZK-22 stock, a P90 stock, or an MG42 stock. As long as you meet the barrel length and overall length laws, there's nothing that says what a gun must look like.

http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&product_id=67&Itemid=2

http://www.hightowerarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTA9022BLK

https://robertrtg.com/1022mg42.html

By hiding the action in a nerf gun you have made it a concealed weapon.

LMAO. By that logic, every gun that I've ever purchased that came in a box was concealed weapon when I bought it and carried it out of the store. I've never received a gun in the mail as other than a "concealed weapon" (in a box). Does putting a rifle in a case or a pistol in a full-flap holster (hiding the action) make it a concealed weapon?

claiborne
November 2, 2013, 10:06 AM
"By hiding the action in a nerf gun you have made it a concealed weapon"

Even if that were so, there are states that still believe in the constitution. The OP happens to live in one. Not an issue in this case.

Based on all the strange looking "modern" firearms I have seen and all the kits made to modify semi-auto 22 rifles into almost any kind of firearm, I personally do not think you have disguised or concealed this weapon in any way.

303tom
November 2, 2013, 10:07 AM
I, a, well ?...................

barnbwt
November 2, 2013, 10:08 AM
It's legal if it meets NFA length reqs, and if it LOOKS like a gun, to boot. NERF may violate the latter, but people converted airsoft into gun shells all the time. Just don't leave the orange barrel cap on ;)

TCB

Sam1911
November 2, 2013, 10:24 AM
Well...nothing bad can come of THIS...

Perchance there is a reason NERF guns look like toys and not real guns, maybe?


There was very recently another instance of a police officer shooting a young man who was holding a hyper-real airsoft replica.

This goes somewhat the other way, but still is blurring the line between toy and weapon. Please be exceedingly careful -- today, and FOREVER -- with that gun, where it goes, and who's hands are holding it.

The only other thing I'd point out is that you REALLLLLY aught to ensure that the serial number on the receiver is not covered up. Most of those dress-up kits (in my experience) leave a cutout or are designed so that the original manufacturer's serial number is plainly visible.

If you cover it up, especially if you glue something over it or otherwise semi-permanently obscure it, you could be thought to have "defaced or obliterated" that serial number and that's a VERY serious crime.

USAF_Vet
November 2, 2013, 10:54 AM
Aside from serial number considerations Sam mentioned, its no different than many other cosmetic stocks people create for other rifles. Buff off the Nerf logo, make sure the S/N stays visible. It still looks like a rifle and still meets all other legal requirements and definitions of a rifle.

The guy who says its a concealed weapon is posting from California, so there needs to be a large salt block taken there. In CA, it probably is illegal. In Alaska, and other free states, its nothing other than a cosmetic alteration.

I think we've got some old nerf guns laying around since my step son got into air soft. Might make for a fun project for my otherwise boring looking Savage.

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 06:53 PM
wow, tell us how you really feel fatdave. but i guess its basically like those dress up kits. and ther is no way this can be mistaken for a fake gun. its x10 heavier than nerf and its all black/silver. but sadly i had to do some running around today so probably no range time today. bought this gun with.intent on only plinking. my savage mark ii will outshoot the 795 any day of the week, and a 30-06 for hunting. and i did all this just to make it cool or more fun i suppose. and i HAVE NOT modded the rifle so i can pull it out and put it back into the original stock when ever i want.but who wouldn't want a 22lr nerf gun lol

bigfatdave
November 2, 2013, 08:00 PM
Hey, I didn't mean to offend, fuel664 - I was just commenting honestly.

I was trying to point out that while I'm not a fan of the exact "look" you've bolted onto that gun, I enjoy the basic concept. Why not make a range toy into something that makes you smile?
And a 795, stripped of all parts not required to function is pretty small, I think you chose the right gun for the job, you can squeeze that into a LOT of shells that wouldn't take a larger action - the only way to go more compact would be to use a takedown.

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 08:37 PM
oh dont be sorry. you didnt hurt my feelings. i like steampunk designes, just hate it when people put fake gauges or buttons and levers that dont do anything on it. but am a fan of the style.

Officers'Wife
November 2, 2013, 08:40 PM
cute, but I think you have waaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands.

KingMedicine
November 2, 2013, 09:03 PM
Even if it's legal to do so, this is a terrible idea.

RetiredUSNChief
November 2, 2013, 09:44 PM
While I'm all for dressing up one's guns as one sees fit, I have my own limitations.

Note that these are MY limitations and I fully understand that others may have opinions which differ.

Guns are not toys. All jesting aside about "man-toys" and such, these AREN'T toys in the classical children's sense. And I will not dress up or decorate any of my firearms in such a fashion that they may be misconstrued as a kid's toy.

Taking apart a kid's toy and literally installing a firearm inside it definately crosses the line for me.

We can all argue this one way or another for a variety of reasons, and quite honestly I can see this going either way as a result, depending on the presentation one makes.

However, for any given incident, Pandora's Box has a specific set of conditions which open the combination lock to a given tragedy. Assessing the risks of our everyday actions is how we each control whether or not Pandora's Box is opened.

Making a real gun look like a toy gun by literally encasing it INSIDE a toy gun is setting the first number to that combination. Be darned sure you control the circumstances for evey other number to that combination.


SIDE NOTE:

I recently had a discussion with a local gunsmith about customizing firearms. This particular gunsmith and wife have their own policy in which they reserve the right to refuse to customize a firearm in such a manner as to come across as a toy. Given the increasing types of customizations people are going for nowadays, I thought this was an interesting policy of theirs.

jerkface11
November 2, 2013, 09:49 PM
With the paint job he wants it doesn't look like a toy. Some of you need to relax.

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 10:37 PM
ok some people seem to forget the paint job...and yes i was hoping the nerf emblem would "blend in" so to speak, after paint. but looks like im gonna have to file it off. :banghead: still have blisters from using that antique splintering wooden handle metal file. but here are some mock up pics. the silver paint is under the black, same with abit of the gold and red. going to sand off the black to give it more of a realistic metal look. but waiting for the paint to fully harden.
190715

190716

that is not put together its more just laying in place so the parts are not aligned but just to give you an idea.

and i also believe its a horrible idea to put a real fire arm inside a toy gun, without changing the toy somehow (like if i didn't paint it). but i know who is going to use this gun and when they are going to use it. like any of my guns, i don't just let my daughter run around the house with them. the only time this would be in the open and unattended is when it is FULLY disassembled for cleaning or repairs

Field Tester
November 2, 2013, 11:09 PM
Looks legit to me. As mentioned before, as long as OAL is met and serial numbers show then you're fine. I've seen this done with 10/22s into a bullpup. Happens every so often over at RFC. As long as a person isn't attempting to make it look like a toy, then I encourage it. We need fresh ideas and innovators like the OP.

I don't understand why everyone is up in arms. Finished product will look like a firearm. Heck, there's a candy colored toy looking 10/22 on Ruger's page for their contest.

I can't stand the posters who are saying this is illegal or concealed. You need to stop pretending to know the law and actually read it. That or because it doesn't fit your idea of something you like, you straight out lie. Knock it off.

More power to you OP! I look forward to a finished product.

fuel664
November 2, 2013, 11:47 PM
yup, OAL for the nerf was 26", -1.5" for the orange tip i took off. the barrel wouldn't fit with it on. but +8" or so for barrel sticking out the front and its the original 18" barrel. and i didnt realize it but there is an accesses panel that pops up on the top above the ejection port that you can look into and the serial is visible. its a bit offset but its all good.

bigfatdave
November 3, 2013, 12:13 AM
just hate it when people put fake gauges or buttons and levers that dont do anything on it
That's why I'd use the excess levers and gears for mag changing and/or stock adjustments.

I'm going to talk to a woodworking guy I know about doing some silly steampunk stuff to a spare 10/22 stock I have laying around, I can add brass fittings here and there and some kind of ridiculous muzzle fitting, and maybe dress up a cheap red-dot with copper sheet and rivets?

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ok some people seem to forget the paint job...and yes i was hoping the nerf emblem would "blend in" so to speak, after paint. but looks like im gonna have to file it off.
1 - it looks pretty legit to me after the painting
2 - maybe fill in around the Nerf logo or use a planer to take it off?

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Random thought - is that a safety lever for the original Nerf gun on the side? I'm all for the modification ideas, but I would NOT have a gun with a safety device that didn't work. For instance, when I remove a loaded chamber indicator from a gun, I just leave the slot empty, or if I disabled an existing safety lever, I'd leave a hole in the frame before I left a lever that appeared to be a working safety in place.

fuel664
November 3, 2013, 12:39 AM
sadly that was a drunken mistake. that safety lever is just a design molded into the original nerf. just waiting for paint then drilling holes in the side and using silicone to attach two small wooden pegs onto the safety for both sides, so that its still usable. the silicon will make a good connection yet should rip off cleanly if i want to remove it later.

JohnKSa
November 3, 2013, 01:55 AM
As others have said, it's no different than putting a 10/22 in a ZK-22 stock, a P90 stock, or an MG42 stock......its no different than many other cosmetic stocks people create for other rifles.That is incorrect.

It is different in one very important way.

The cosmetic stocks and the other "conversions" described make a working firearm look like another firearm. They do not make a working firearm look like a toy which is what this modification does.

From a legal standpoint, making a working firearm look like something other than a firearm may not be a problem--I don't know enough about the NFA and how the BATF currently interprets and enforces it to do anything other than speculate.

From a practical standpoint, making a firearm look like a toy (or vice-versa) raises some legitimate concerns which are underscored by a recent lethal incident in the news.

TennJed
November 3, 2013, 03:01 AM
That is incorrect.

It is different in one very important way.

The cosmetic stocks and the other "conversions" described make a working firearm look like another firearm. They do not make a working firearm look like a toy which is what this modification does.

From a legal standpoint, making a working firearm look like something other than a firearm may not be a problem--I don't know enough about the NFA and how the BATF currently interprets and enforces it to do anything other than speculate.

From a practical standpoint, making a firearm look like a toy (or vice-versa) raises some legitimate concerns which are underscored by a recent lethal incident in the news.
very good point, but do you consider pink handguns and Hello Kitty ARs to fall into the same category?

Taurus offers this straight from the factory and it looks pretty "nerf" to me

I used to say "to each his own" when I saw guns like this and pink revolvers, but you bring up some good points and I not question if it is a good idea to by these type of guns

http://assets.academy.com/mgen/26/10211126.jpg?is=500,500

bigfatdave
November 3, 2013, 03:26 AM
On the subject of "toy guns vs real guns"

In my household, toys (airsoft, mostly) are all clear plastic. I suppose the rubber band guns are solid wood, but they're not realistic like the airsoft trainers.
If I wanted a trainer gun and couldn't find a reasonable one in clear plastic, I'd spray it orange or some other "non-gun" color, or add airsoft stickers.

The OP, fuel664, isn't making a real gun look like a toy, any more than the Taurus TennJedd posted, or the 'rasberry' pistols Ruger sells "look like a toy".

In fact, it just looks like an oddball rifle after the beginning of painting:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=190716&d=1383441659
Once that Nerf logo is gone, it won't look any more "toy like" than many custom AR setups.

I'm curious about how the ergonomics work out on it, at this point.

fuel664
November 3, 2013, 04:41 AM
It is different in one very important way.

The cosmetic stocks and the other "conversions" described make a working firearm look like another firearm. They do not make a working firearm look like a toy which is what this modification does.

From a legal standpoint, making a working firearm look like something other than a firearm may not be a problem--I don't know enough about the NFA and how the BATF currently interprets and enforces it to do anything other than speculate.

From a practical standpoint, making a firearm look like a toy (or vice-versa) raises some legitimate concerns which are underscored by a recent lethal incident in the news.

and the main reason i posted this thread. i could see someone screaming about guns looking like toys being super evil, and now i must be some sort of terrorist.

(once the logo is gone) you would never guess it was a toy, unless your some kind of nerf guru. and it defiantly looks like a custom made gun. but so far only issue is mag release. it works but its kind of awkward. still waiting on 25 round mag pro in the mail.

RetiredUSNChief
November 3, 2013, 05:37 AM
very good point, but do you consider pink handguns and Hello Kitty ARs to fall into the same category?


In many cases, I do believe this.

However, I'll give the OP kudos for understanding this and taking precautions with respect to his modifications:

"and i also believe its a horrible idea to put a real fire arm inside a toy gun, without changing the toy somehow (like if i didn't paint it). but i know who is going to use this gun and when they are going to use it. like any of my guns, i don't just let my daughter run around the house with them. the only time this would be in the open and unattended is when it is FULLY disassembled for cleaning or repairs"


When all is said and done, however, the bottom line is that this is a real firearm and all the appropriate precautions associated with that must be taken. So long as the OP does this, fine.

BobTheTomato
November 3, 2013, 08:36 AM
Looks like a real gun to me. You might try automotive body puddy to fill in or over the nerf logo.

newfalguy101
November 3, 2013, 08:55 AM
covering the serial number, is an issue, figure out a way to uncover that, or ask ATF for permission to re-locate it to the new chassis

45_auto
November 3, 2013, 09:16 AM
covering the serial number, is an issue, figure out a way to uncover that, or ask ATF for permission to re-locate it to the new chassis

You really believe that putting a non-functional plastic shell around the gun makes the plastic shell the new receiver?

If so, it really doesn't matter as long as he's manufacturing the weapon for his own use and not for re-sell because it's not required to have a serial number.

If covering a serial number is an issue, there's literally millions of S&W revolvers with Hogue grips covering the serial number running around out there that the ATF needs to start cracking down on. Can you believe that S&W is shipping all these darn things ILLEGALLY from the factory with their serial numbers covered (S&W serial number is on the butt and/or behind the crane, depending on the age of the revolver)?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757770_-1_757767_757751_image

And if any of those ATF agents or anyone else is carrying a Glock with a light on it, we really need to let them know that they're illegally covering the serial number on their weapon (Glock serial number is on a metal tag embedded in the frame between the accessory rails).

hso
November 3, 2013, 09:23 AM
The thing serves as the chassis for the rifle and doesn't in any way constitute "concealing" the rifle any more than the numerous 10/22 chassis that mimic other firearms do.

Keep in mind that many chassis/new designs don't look like traditional firearms (KSG) and with 3D printing we'll see a lot of innovative attempts to improve upon ergonomics that may confuse the eye and mind. Toy/game firearm designs will be seen to some extent in these efforts

Potatohead
November 3, 2013, 09:25 AM
Put me in the "what's the point" category.

Potatohead
November 3, 2013, 09:26 AM
You really believe that putting a non-functional plastic shell around the gun makes the plastic shell the new receiver?

If so, it really doesn't matter as long as he's manufacturing the weapon for his own use and not for re-sell because it's not required to have a serial number.

If covering a serial number is an issue, there's literally millions of S&W revolvers with Hogue grips covering the serial number running around out there that the ATF needs to start cracking down on. Can you believe that S&W is shipping all these darn things ILLEGALLY from the factory with their serial numbers covered?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757770_-1_757767_757751_image

And if any of those ATF agents or anyone else is carrying a Glock with a light on it, we really need to let them know that they're illegally covering the serial number on their weapon (Glock serial number is on a metal tag embedded in the frame between the accessory rails).

Yea the serial number aint like a license plate I wouldnt reckon.

HexHead
November 3, 2013, 09:34 AM
I'd lose the Nerf stickers, but basically all you did was change the stock. No different than swapping out a Rem 700 stock for a Bell & Carlson or a McMillan.

Potatohead
November 3, 2013, 09:46 AM
I'll get flamed for this and I don't mean to be snarky, but what's the point? I'm not one of these guys whose always tinkering with how my guns look so maybe i just don't understand, but this looks like valuable time wasted to me. Maybe I didn't read all of the posts and Im missing it, but is this just a hobby type thing? Boredom? Toy fetish? Just curious.

It just sounds like a bad idea to me, didn't you hear the story told to John McClane in Die Hard by Steve Erkels neighbor?

USAF_Vet
November 3, 2013, 11:40 AM
What is more dangerous? The real gun that sort of resembles a toy, or the toy that sort of (or very much so) resembles a real gun?
There are plenty of stories about kids getting shot because their toy looked realistic, or some thug robbing a gas station with a realistic looking toy. I might be reading the wrong news, but I keep missing the stories involving real guns that look like toys.

Its not like the OP is putting a gun into a nerf shell, then putting it back into the toy box for kids to play with.

Don't like how it looks? Fine. I can accept that. But as long as he is being responsible with his guns, I fail to see the problem. It actually might be enough to bring a young new shooter into the sport.
I for one have wanted to modify real guns to look like props from Sci Fi movies.

USAF_Vet
November 3, 2013, 12:10 PM
didn't you hear the story told to John McClane in Die Hard by Steve Erkels neighbor?

Yes, but I'm wondering if you did. The cop shot a kid who had a toy gun that looked real.

Toy gun that looks real =/= real gun that looks like a toy.

Field Tester
November 3, 2013, 12:39 PM
For those asking what's the point, the answer is simple, Innovation. This is the thought process that leads to new ideas. If we didn't have curious minds like the OP then we'd still be driving Model Ts. No one needs a Ferrari either, but if that's what you like and as long as you're responsible, then I encourage it. Now the OP hasn't reinvented the wheel or had any super original ideas on this, but it leads down that path.

This is how new stocks, parts and designes are started, by going outside of the norm. Can't own a real Tommy Gun or MG 42? Well this can be the next best thing.

Like I said before, you see some cool stuff like this every now and then over at RFC. My favorite so far has been the Bullpup 10/22. It looked ugly as sin and functioned horrible when he first started, now they look awesome and function wonderfully and the guy making them has a several month back order. Imagine if he got the welcome this site had given him or any innovator for that matter, we wouldn't see some of the products we have today.

Now I understand people being concerned with it looking like a toy and meeting legal requirements. I'm right there with you. But the OP has adressed those issues. Hating on him because it's not your cup of tea, well that's just not the High Road.

So to sum up your question. Why? Innovation and moving forward.

USAF_Vet
November 3, 2013, 01:33 PM
I know people hate the car analogies, but how is this any different than putting an aftermarket Ferrari body kit on a Fiat chassis.

JohnKSa
November 3, 2013, 02:33 PM
...very good point, but do you consider pink handguns and Hello Kitty ARs to fall into the same category?Pretty close, but I think that paint and stickers isn't quite the same thing as a plastic shell covering everything but the original barrel and prominently displaying a well known toy logo.

USAF_Vet
November 3, 2013, 03:47 PM
Pretty close, but I think that paint and stickers isn't quite the same thing as a plastic shell covering everything but the original barrel and prominently displaying a well known toy logo.
Several posters including the OP have mentioned removing the Nerf logo.

fuel664
November 3, 2013, 03:47 PM
what is the point? for everyone asking that.. go to google and search "custom painted nerf gun" or some variation of it. and tell me it wouldnt be cool/fun to have a real rifle that looks like one of those. but seriously some people ask "why?" but i say "why not?". anyone ever see that homemade batmobile on the internet? its pretty cool but pointless, yea? or the custom built dune buggys people spend thousands of $ on, just for some fun it the desert. i guess i did it just to satisfy my curiosity, make it look cool, learning experience, have some fun while at the range/camping, to be differnt, or maybe to save some money on a custom stock without spending $100+. i'll let you pick. and trust me i looked hi and low for a cheap scar stryle airsoft but living in alaska limits my stores to walmart, target, and fred myers. NONE of them carried it and online cheapest was 46 + s/h. as for the nerf logo that will be gone soon. and this is my first custom build (for lack of better words) all my other guns are still original. but like i originaly said, any feed back is welcom. if you think there might be a problem go ahead and tell me.

*edit* just for the record, i didn't really want just another m16/m4 or ak47 look alike. like the mustangs in 2005 wih the retro style, first few were amazing but after seeing one on every street, they started to lose the cool factor. and just started to become another car.

JohnKSa
November 4, 2013, 12:37 AM
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fuel664
November 5, 2013, 12:59 PM
wow.. got pretty quiet. sorry for the rant i have to explain "why" i do alot of my projects to my wife as well. anyway here are some pics

fuel664
November 5, 2013, 01:05 PM
190837

190838

for some reason the black was taking unusual amount of time to fully dry, but went through and put some touch up paint on parts i sanded to far down on. in the other pic you see how much interior plastic i had to rip out. and going to hit that logo with some bondo today you can see i tryed to file it down but after 45 min i got tired. and the logo is still there.

Potatohead
November 5, 2013, 01:09 PM
Yes, but I'm wondering if you did. The cop shot a kid who had a toy gun that looked real.

Toy gun that looks real =/= real gun that looks like a toy.
I know but man Ive been waiting a long time to use a Steve Erckel reference!

Potatohead
November 5, 2013, 01:10 PM
wow.. got pretty quiet. sorry for the rant i have to explain "why" i do alot of my projects to my wife as well. anyway here are some pics
In the end you gota do what makes you happy in this life so have at it...

fuel664
November 5, 2013, 01:39 PM
and all the tools i used-
-precision Philips screwdriver
-bondo
-large metal file
-set of micro files (one is still mia)
-and pliers you only need one
- flat head screwdriver or small pry bar. makes it easier but not needed
-(optional drill press) some way to cut a 1'' circle for the barrel to fit through the barrel cover/shroud part.
-sand paper (i used 600 because i have like 3 packs of that stuff, but i would say use 400-600)
-and some kind of paint

trust me the drill press helps A LOT!

190839

the scope attaches right now to the nerf rails but im still waiting for the picatinny rails and 25 rnd mag in the mail.

Officers'Wife
November 5, 2013, 03:33 PM
I'll get flamed for this and I don't mean to be snarky, but what's the point? I'm not one of these guys whose always tinkering with how my guns look so maybe i just don't understand, but this looks like valuable time wasted to me. Maybe I didn't read all of the posts and Im missing it, but is this just a hobby type thing? Boredom? Toy fetish? Just curious.

It just sounds like a bad idea to me, didn't you hear the story told to John McClane in Die Hard by Steve Erkels neighbor?
Hi Potato Head,

To an OMB the point begins and ends on whether it can be done not what is going to be done with it afterwards. You can ask a hundred questions on the subject of manufacturing and the sane person will answer "why would you" while the OMB will answer "let's find out."

Can you make a replica M-16 that cycles little water pipe "cartridges" powered by large rifle primers? An OMB will start doodling and figuring at the prospect. Can you make a calliope powered by compressed air out of PVC pipe? Some OMB has done it somewhere. Can you inject kerosene into the exhaust pipe of a pick up truck and use it to fire brush piles? Child's play for an OMB. Will an OMB melt down his niece's favorite aluminum cookware to cast a faceplate for a lathe? Don't get me started!

Asking an OMB the reasoning for constructing the atrocity of the moment is always the same answer as why idiots climb mountains or build nitromethane fueled cars capable of insane speeds. Because they can. Is it sane? Probably not. Is it logical? That's not just a no it's a heck no. But keep in mind there was an OMB long ago and far away named Fulton that is the founding father of the modern ocean liner. Not quite so long ago was another OMB named Edison that literally lit up the world. Then there was the king of OMB's that if allowed in a civilized society should be at the least knighted named Browning.

gondorian
November 6, 2013, 10:37 PM
I just want to know how it shoots.

DM~
November 7, 2013, 12:18 AM
Looks like something i would do........er would have done when i was 8 or 10 yrs old!

I honestly can't imagine why an adult would want to do something like that though?

DM

Field Tester
November 7, 2013, 03:18 AM
Looks like something i would do........er would have done when i was 8 or 10 yrs old!

I honestly can't imagine why an adult would want to do something like that though?

DM
This has been asked and answered several times several different ways. Please find an original comment or question for the OP. We're supposed to support our brethren. Please take the High Road and don't compare the OP to a child.

OP, any updates?

SleazyRider
November 7, 2013, 05:42 AM
The serial number thing made not be as big a deal as one might think; at least, here's what happened to me:
I was gifted several handguns by a widowed neighbor whose husband was a judge here in New York State. One of the guns, an H&R "Self-Loading" .32, had an obliterated serial number, that is, it was intentionally ground off from the side of the frame. I know not the history of the weapon or how the judge came into possession of it, but the number was recorded on his pistol permit along with the oher guns that were given to me.
Being the new owner of the gun, which was lawfully transfered to me, I dutifully turned it in to the State Police, half expecting to get into some kind of trouble for possessing a gun with an altered number. Much to my surprise and disbelief, instead of destroying the gun (after all, this is NYS), they disassembled it and found a serial number on the inside, which they verified to be the one on the permit, and returned the gun to me with a letter stating that it was legitimate to own the gun despite the obliterated number.
I'm shocked to this very day, as it is contrary to what I construed to be a serious violation of federal law.

To the OP, I confess to having a negative opinion of your project after reading the first several posts; but eventually came around to appreciating, even admiring, your project. Nice job!

bigfatdave
November 7, 2013, 07:57 AM
I honestly can't imagine why an adult would want to do something like that though?
I've been refraining from making a snarky comment about being really bored through an Alaskan winter, myself.

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There's a semiauto copy of a STG-44 on the market. It comes in a wood crate and is HUGE. Ridiculously huge for a little semiauto .22 ... they're selling quite well.

There are dress-up kits for 10/22s in almost anything you can imagine, from sci-fi space guns to realistic replicas of old machine-guns. (hell, I made a fairly realistic M1 Carbine trainer myself, come to think of it!)

One of the kits takes TWO 10/22s, and adds a crank to make a strange coaxial thing, they're often called "gatling guns" but beyond the crank they don't share anything with the classic rotary multi-barrel weapon of old.

And there are REAL Gatling guns in .22lr, they're beautiful creations of brass and fine machining. They are not cheap and I really want one.

For that matter, there's a .22lr replica of an M1 carbine on the market, those are selling well also (mine is nicer, but the controls are more realistic on the Citadel version - I just don't like the materials)

I stole this next picture from Amazon - that's a Marlin model 60 in there.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31OMlKxjVWL.jpg
Bullpup marlin model 60 - a tube-fed rimfire rifle. Makes no real sense, but they sell!

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I don't know if "why" is really relevant here.
"Why" do people agonize over mechanical accuracy via twist rate and bullet weight for a gun they shoot twice a year at 20 yards?
"Why" do people swap out all the MIM parts in a functional gun for theoretically "better" parts, when they've never worn out a part?
"Why" do people have bear-defense handguns when they haven't been out in the woods for a decade?

"Why?"
... "because that's what seemed amusing at the time" is a good enough answer.
Also acceptable: "I didn't ask your permission", or "I don't have to justify it to anybody".

Field Tester
November 8, 2013, 08:29 PM
OP,
Any update?

fuel664
November 9, 2013, 05:35 PM
well update. i tried going to the base range yesterday but there was a unit out there for training, and i didnt want to pay 20$ for a day pass when id only be there for 30 min at the public range. then today i went out to base range and they were closed. even though i talked to the range master and he said everyday 1000-1600 it will be open unless a unit is out there training. so i sucked it up and went to public range.
i only had 70 rounds of cci and 25 rounds of Winchester 22 HV that is literally about 5 years old been left outside in -20 weather and left in the rain and snow been dropped in puddles and on numerous camping trips. the marlin HATED the cci stuff i had to cycle the bolt for every round. so i got irritated and tried the Winchester and it was great until about the 20th round and then one case broke.:cuss: i wasnt really trying to aim just kinda shooting fast to heat the barrel up to see if it would melt the plastic, it did not melt it. and i was doing about 4-5" groups at 30 yrds

fuel664
November 9, 2013, 05:53 PM
and by broken case i mean the extractors ripped the flat part on the back of the case off and the tube part was stuck in the barrel. i tried to get it out with a small screwdriver but it wouldn't move. and of coarse when i got home it magically fell out..

-sorry for lack of any proper terminologies.

fuel664
November 9, 2013, 10:30 PM
191020

*new gun* vs old marlin 60 overall length differences. black stock is old 795 stock

still waiting on rails so i can mount the scope further back
but..you can see the bondo work. pictures seem to bring out the worst lol trust me its not that noticeable.

Field Tester
November 10, 2013, 02:31 PM
Fuel,

Are you out of .22? I have quite a bit I would be able to help you out with.

Field Tester
November 10, 2013, 02:38 PM
So the whole primer ripped off? I always keep a range kit in my range bag. Small tackle box with CLP, bore snake, patches, break down rod (don't use for cleaning, just emergencies), patches, brushes, bottle brushes, and various other things. It's quite small and light, although weight doesn't matter since it's not carried around. Has been helpful several times for myself and others. I also keep a small tool kit and home made first aid kit. The tool kit is very small that Wal-Mart sells. Specifically it's a "firearm" tool kit in the Sporting Goods area.

xfyrfiter
November 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
To all of the detractors, The op lives in AK, the winters are long and cold, boredom gets old, and if you have never had a case of cabin fever do not say nay until you have. Geez guys and gals lighten up, it is better than beating the wife and kids or kicking the pets.

Fire_Moose
November 10, 2013, 04:10 PM
Or meth.

Looks great, if you think that doesn't look like a gun yer nuts. Have you shot it yet?

fuel664
November 10, 2013, 05:08 PM
yeah shot it yesterday. and im down to my last 20 rounds of cci .22lr. been looking for months. couple times a week and still nothing. but my dad is coming up with about 2000 rounds hes been able to scavange from georgia. and i brought pliers, and screwdrivers. but i have never had anything like that happen before, and honestly ive never heard about it either. ive heard of cases spliting, while still in one piece, not ripped in half.

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