Staples Office Supply is antigun


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smle41
November 5, 2013, 07:09 PM
Ladies and gentlemen,
I have just learned from a Staples manager that it is their corporate policy to disallow shipping firearm parts from their UPS counters, nor are weapons or weapon parts allowed . This leaves another store that will no longer have my (not inconsiderable) business.
Thank you for your attention.

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janedoedad
November 5, 2013, 08:08 PM
Unless you are shipping a firearm (and things considered to be firearms), why would you tell the counter drone what you are shipping?

Not meaning to be snarky, but so long as the shipment is legal and in compliance with shipping company rules, it is none of their business what is in that box you want sent.

UPS does not allow firearms to be shipped from places like Staples, UPS stores and so on. You can however, give the package directly to a UPS driver.

3GunEric
November 5, 2013, 08:28 PM
They do ask what you are shipping. Just sent my Dillon case tumbler back to service and they wanted to know what it was.

splattergun
November 5, 2013, 08:41 PM
As far as anyone asking what's in your parcel, a case tumbler could just as easily be a rock tumbler. Gun parts are generically "machine parts".

But it is good to know who to avoid when I choose to spend my money.

hso
November 5, 2013, 09:20 PM
All,

This has to be checked with their Corp office before we go any further.

Also, how the counter clerk may or may not know what you're shipping isn't really relevant to this discussion so let's leave that topic for General instead of here in Activism. It doesn't matter if they x-ray the packages or make you pack them in view or simply ask for information to put on a form for tracking or insurance purposes.

dogtown tom
November 5, 2013, 10:42 PM
smle41 ....I have just learned from a Staples manager that it is their corporate policy to disallow shipping firearm parts from their UPS counters, nor are weapons or weapon parts allowed .
If you've been shipping firearms through Staples you violate the UPS tariff.

Both UPS and FedEx are quite clear on where firearm shipments must be dropped off. (and a Staples ain't one)

hso
November 5, 2013, 10:50 PM
dogtown tom,

I hadn't remembered that UPS and FedEx doesn't permit firearms (or other DOT/IATA restricted items) to be shipped through any source except their own counters and that the non-corporate partners may not handle them.

We need to verify this, just like the need to verify the Staples corp position.

If UPS doesn't allow regulated material/items to be shipped from anywhere but their counters there was a misunderstanding/miscommunication and not an anti policy.

RetiredUSNChief
November 5, 2013, 11:21 PM
Here's your UPS policy verification:

Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes, UPS On-Call PickupSM, or at locations of The UPS Store® or any third party retailer. When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk. See the terms and conditions in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service for information regarding firearm shipments.

Source:

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html


The bold is mine for emphasis.


Probably the reason UPS makes this explicitly clear is what they have to say under the "Follow These Packing Requirements" portion of that link, the first requirement of which is: "Packages containing handguns must be separated from other packages tendered to UPS for delivery."


UPS is very probably extremely explicit on this because they are directly responsible for complying with all the laws with respect to the shipping requirements for firearms and they do not wish to delegate this to any other agency other than those specified. Violations of these laws are bad juju, regardless of who screws up, so they limit such transactions to those who are likely specifically trained for it.


Staples seems to be simply complying with UPS regulations.

Which means Staples should not be penalized for this.

DeadMoneyDrew
November 5, 2013, 11:30 PM
^ I can confirm that this policy is correct. I recently sent my Single 10 back to Ruger for repair. UPS specifically told me that I had to schedule a pickup, even though there are numerous UPS drop points within 10 blocks of my house.

hso
November 6, 2013, 12:09 AM
DMD,

Thanks.

And now from UPS's own website on firearms shipping we see that Staples, and any other UPS third party retailer, is not allowed to accept firearms for shipment. Staples isn't responsible for this policy and is NOT Anti (leastwise not on this account). Miscommunications and misunderstandings can lead us to accuse retailers and others of being Anti when we don't have the full picture so it is our responsibility to check to make sure we don't incorrectly accuse otherwise responsible businesses of being against us.

Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS
Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes, UPS On-Call PickupSM, or at locations of The UPS Store® or any third party retailer.

NavyLCDR
November 6, 2013, 01:38 AM
http://www.examiner.com/article/first-starbucks-now-staples-office-supply-store

First Starbucks, now Staples office supply store
September 27, 2013

Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense issued a press release stating, “We are grateful to Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz for stating unequivocally, ‘Everyone is welcome in our stores, but weapons are not.’” Emboldened by its victory at Starbucks, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense is turning its sights on the office supply store, Staples.
....
Still, there is encouraging news. Staples is unlikely to be such an easy target for Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense as Starbucks. Earlier this year, when Staples drew criticism from civil rights advocates for refusing to include a Fremont, Nebraska gun store in a small business contest, Staples quickly issued an apology and promised to change its policy to include gun store businesses in the future. Staples posted a statement on its Facebook page promising to “revise our rules to make sure future contests are more inclusive and reflect our commitment to helping all small businesses.”

RetiredUSNChief
November 6, 2013, 02:43 AM
http://www.examiner.com/article/first-starbucks-now-staples-office-supply-store

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your post.

One manager indeed does not make the corporation anti-gun...but there isn't anything in that article which cites an example either way of a store manager doing this. The closest is the citation of the Fremont Nebraska small gun business issue with respect to a contest, which Staples reversed their position on. This didn't involve a store manager at all, being a corporate policy.

Yes, there is pressure being admittedly exerted by anti-gun organizations of Staples (and many other businesses), but that's to be expected. We should exert our own pressures as well.

In fact, this is exactly what happened in the instance you cited...pressure was exerted and the company policy on future such contests was changed.

NavyLCDR
November 6, 2013, 07:07 AM
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your post.

Chief,

What I am trying to say in my post is that I feel that this:

Staples Office Supply is antigun

...This leaves another store that will no longer have my (not inconsiderable) business.

in my opinion might be a sensationalized overreaction to a statement made by one manager which may or may not reflect the actual corporate policy of Staples. It is this type of reaction that we typically see coming from "the other side" and should we be really responding largely out of emotion without confirming the whole story (in this case, finding out what corporate policy really is)? Especially given the large number of instances where rogue managers have no idea what the real corporate policy is or choose to ignore it.

You, in fact, posted this in response to a thread I started:

So methinks there may be a wee bit more to this story than what some of these articles are geared to have us believe.

I'm not saying this was unwarranted or that this mom has done anything wrong...but I reserve any further judgement on my part until I have more information. Which I'm not likely to get anyway, but...

I was simply attempting to say that maybe judgement and boycott of Staples as a corporation maybe should be reserved until there is more information.

In response to the OP:
Staples Office Supply is antigun

...This leaves another store that will no longer have my (not inconsiderable) business.

I must ask this: how far do you take your boycott? Almost every retail chain store prohibits their employees from carrying a firearm at work to protect themselves with. Does that make those corporations that deny their employees the right to self-protection on the job "anti-gun" and will you refuse to give your business to virtually every retail chain in America today? Or are you only going to boycott those stores that you feel are denying YOUR rights?

hso
November 6, 2013, 07:45 AM
NavyLCDR,

Your intentions in you post weren't clear to me either and I couldn't tell if your intent was to try to condemn Staples as a corporation or a single Staples store, or to point that either might have been Anti at one time, but the company reversed any such practice.

Your explanation clarifying your intent that the original topic of this thread might have been a "sensationalized overreaction to a statement made by one manager which may or may not reflect the actual corporate police of Staples." is appreciated.

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It is important for us to go deeper than a single impression or potential incident before we call the community to arms. We don't want to go off half cocked like the Antis do and be guilty of lynching. THR and its members help to identify potential problems and develop responses as well as ensure the whole story comes out before we shoot at shadows and hurt bystanders in our battle with dedicated Antis.

smle41
November 6, 2013, 08:34 PM
Thank you all for your consideration. The young manager displayed a document that stated Staples shipping desk, due to Staples policy, would not ship firearms parts or accessories. I was attempting to ship a defective upper receiver to CMMG with a preprinted label when the young girl ("drone" may not be inapt) stated she could not accept a firearm part or accessory. This is when I sought a manager who stated that Staples corporate policy was not to ship weapons nor parts etc.
I know Staples is under pressure from the Statists (fascist / progressive / insert term), and I feel sorry for the worker bees caught in the middle. Yet it seems also that if the corporation heard from the pro-freedom side, especially in a way that they understand, they are more likely to listen to us as well as the anti-freedom side.
Thank you.

RetiredUSNChief
November 6, 2013, 08:37 PM
@ NavyLCDR:

Gotcha! Thanks for the clarification!

You're usually very explicit in your meaning when you post things, but I wasn't sure where you were going with that particular posting.

I agree with you completely...proper measured response based on clear facts is to be greatly preferred. No sense in contributing to confusion and disinformation, whether deliberate or unintentional.

:)

RetiredUSNChief
November 6, 2013, 08:39 PM
Thank you all for your consideration. The young manager displayed a document that stated Staples shipping desk, due to Staples policy, would not ship firearms parts or accessories. I was attempting to ship a defective upper receiver to CMMG with a preprinted label when the young girl ("drone" may not be inapt) stated she could not accept a firearm part or accessory. This is when I sought a manager who stated that Staples corporate policy was not to ship weapons nor parts etc.
I know Staples is under pressure from the Statists (fascist / progressive / insert term), and I feel sorry for the worker bees caught in the middle. Yet it seems also that if the corporation heard from the pro-freedom side, especially in a way that they understand, they are more likely to listen to us as well as the anti-freedom side.
Thank you.

You're most welcome, smle41.

Understanding and clarification is important and, if nothing else, this string will help others who may run across it.

;)

NavyLCDR
November 7, 2013, 01:04 AM
Also, their "corporate policy" expressed in that document may be a misunderstanding of UPS shipping rules. Sometimes, believe it or not, an anti-gun policy can be changed simply by pointing out the factual information. The factual information, in this case, is contained in the UPS Shipping Terms and Conditions (also known as Tariff).

SC Shooter
November 14, 2013, 09:52 PM
If you read through this tread, you begin to realize how confusing all the laws and regulations are. The few times I have had to ship a weapon over the last few years, I have relied on my local gun shop that I trade at. He keeps up with the requirements, checks for the best cost, and handles the whole thing. Shipping guns is not like shipping a care package to your kid in college.

HoploDad
November 15, 2013, 08:28 PM
If you read through this tread, you begin to realize how confusing all the laws and regulations are. The few times I have had to ship a weapon over the last few years, I have relied on my local gun shop that I trade at. He keeps up with the requirements, checks for the best cost, and handles the whole thing. Shipping guns is not like shipping a care package to your kid in college.
It's not like shipping a gun to your kid in college anymore. I like the article I saw in the American Rifleman in the not too distant past where a soldier (WWI or WWII) sent back an enemy rifle he'd picked up by putting stamps and the address on the buttstock. And it made it home to Dad!

Does Staples' ban include ammunition, or does UPS have a 3rd party storefront prohibition for that? I did not see that in the regulation. Thanks for the information here, all.

NavyLCDR
November 15, 2013, 10:59 PM
Does Staples' ban include ammunition, or does UPS have a 3rd party storefront prohibition for that? I did not see that in the regulation. Thanks for the information here, all.

http://www.ups.com/media/en/terms_service_us.pdf

Section 3.1:

3.1 Items Not Accepted for Transportation
No service shall be rendered in the transportation of any of the prohibited articles listed in the applicable Service Guide or the Terms.

UPS does not accept for transportation, and shippers are prohibited from shipping:

–Shipments tendered to a Third-Party Retailer containing any hazardous materials requiring shipping papers, firearms, or ammunition;

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