Mom trespassed from school because she has ccw permit.


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NavyLCDR
November 6, 2013, 01:01 AM
Please let this school principal know what you think, email address is below.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/5/army-veteran-banned-daughters-school-photo-conceal/

I've seen plenty of people excited about getting their concealed weapons permits. So, the school is going to ban this mom because she takes the time to pay for a class, get fingerprinted, and pass a background check?

“He tells me that ‘We’re going to issue you a criminal trespass warning,’” she recalls the officer as saying. “‘The principal is scared of you and she doesn’t want you on the grounds.’ I ask for what? And he asks, ‘Were you in the Army?’ and I said, yes. He’s like, ‘Do you have a concealed weapons permit?’ I said, yes.”

Miss Mount said she was ultimately banned because she posted a picture of her new concealed weapons permit on her Facebook page.

This is the principal's email address:

Dr. Janina Dallas
dallaja@rcboe.org

http://mcbean.rcboe.org/faculty/dallaja

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Avenger29
November 6, 2013, 01:18 AM
I practically grew up in that area. Dont even waste your time. That county and the school board in particular is so jacked up and backwards it's unfixable...

NavyLCDR
November 6, 2013, 01:26 AM
I practically grew up in that area. Dont even waste your time. That county and the school board in particular is so jacked up and backwards it's unfixable...
How would you propose we stop things like this and keep it from spreading if we just "don't waste our time" on it?

Queen_of_Thunder
November 6, 2013, 01:42 AM
How would you propose we stop things like this and keep it from spreading if we just "don't waste our time" on it?
lawsuit

RetiredUSNChief
November 6, 2013, 04:06 AM
Soooo...

The MOTHER of a child in a PUBLIC school is being DENIED the right to access to her child at any time?

That's what this sounds like.

If it were me, I'd take the child out of that school.


IN PROGRESS UPDATE:

Seems she's already pulled her child from the school in another article I've read, and she wants a public apology from the school about this.

And in yet another article, apparently several PTO members complained about this lady disrupting classes and won't "let anybody bother her daughter".

So methinks there may be a wee bit more to this story than what some of these articles are geared to have us believe.

I'm not saying this was unwarranted or that this mom has done anything wrong...but I reserve any further judgement on my part until I have more information. Which I'm not likely to get anyway, but...


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/05/army-veteran-banned-from-daughters-school-after-posting-picture-concealed/

http://www.wjbf.com/story/23845263/richmond-county-mom-banned-from-childs-school?fb_action_ids=613794912012237&fb_action_types=og.recommends&action_object_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A1428057464074550%7D&action_type_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A%22.UnMQTHRsK_g.like%22%7D&fb_ref=.UnhbwDNeGIh.like&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Officers'Wife
November 6, 2013, 04:53 AM
Soooo...

The MOTHER of a child in a PUBLIC school is being DENIED the right to access to her child at any time?

That's what this sounds like.

If it were me, I'd take the child out of that school.


IN PROGRESS UPDATE:

Seems she's already pulled her child from the school in another article I've read, and she wants a public apology from the school about this.

And in yet another article, apparently several PTO members complained about this lady disrupting classes and won't "let anybody bother her daughter".

So methinks there may be a wee bit more to this story than what some of these articles are geared to have us believe.

I'm not saying this was unwarranted or that this mom has done anything wrong...but I reserve any further judgement on my part until I have more information. Which I'm not likely to get anyway, but...


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/05/army-veteran-banned-from-daughters-school-after-posting-picture-concealed/

http://www.wjbf.com/story/23845263/richmond-county-mom-banned-from-childs-school?fb_action_ids=613794912012237&fb_action_types=og.recommends&action_object_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A1428057464074550%7D&action_type_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A%22.UnMQTHRsK_g.like%22%7D&fb_ref=.UnhbwDNeGIh.like&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582
Yes, several disruptions and she has stated she won't let anyone bother her daughter. I guess I'm a potential school shooter as well because I've stated on several occasions bothering or mistreatment of my daughter is behavior I will neither accept nor allow. The "disruptions" have been reported but not the details of those disruptions. Only that the principal has seen "signs."

Hmmm, is being protective of your children a sign of mental imbalance now? O tempora, o mores!

RetiredUSNChief
November 6, 2013, 05:13 AM
Yes, several disruptions and she has stated she won't let anyone bother her daughter. I guess I'm a potential school shooter as well because I've stated on several occasions bothering or mistreatment of my daughter is behavior I will neither accept nor allow. The "disruptions" have been reported but not the details of those disruptions. Only that the principal has seen "signs."

Hmmm, is being protective of your children a sign of mental imbalance now? O tempora, o mores!

Nope, being protective of a child is not necessarily a sign of mental imbalance.

Just sayin' that there are signs that we may not be getting the full story on all the circumstances.

Yep, the principal may be going off the deep end on this...but so may the mom. Likely, the real story lies somewhere in between these two extremes.

;)

Officers'Wife
November 6, 2013, 05:56 AM
Nope, being protective of a child is not necessarily a sign of mental imbalance.

Just sayin' that there are signs that we may not be getting the full story on all the circumstances.

Yep, the principal may be going off the deep end on this...but so may the mom. Likely, the real story lies somewhere in between these two extremes.

;)
Sorry Chief,

I was attempting to expand on your thought not detract from it. I would still like to know the nature of those "disturbances." I had an enlisted wife that complained of mistreatment in a public school in Kentucky when Dave was stationed at Campbell that stemmed solely from being a military family. If I sounded too protective of the mother I apologize, I was the Captain's lady too long.

hso
November 6, 2013, 06:50 AM
Principal Janina Dallas confirmed that a “no trespass order” was issued over the Facebook post, WJBF-TV reported.

If this is the only reason the principal is the problem and not the parent. The parent has complied with the laws of GA in a responsible manner. If the principal has an irrational fear of firearms or permit holders she's out of touch with reality. If there's more to the story, we should find out quickly.

Regardless, we can approach this even with partial information politely asking that the manner be looked into and due consideration be given after an investigation by the Superintendent and the Executive of the town/county the Principal and Superintendent of Schools ultimately report to. They are the people that need to get flooded with emails ASKING that the principal be counseled on how to interact with a parent who's not actually done anything to threaten the principal or the school.

RussellC
November 6, 2013, 09:29 AM
Soooo...

The MOTHER of a child in a PUBLIC school is being DENIED the right to access to her child at any time?

That's what this sounds like.

If it were me, I'd take the child out of that school.


IN PROGRESS UPDATE:

Seems she's already pulled her child from the school in another article I've read, and she wants a public apology from the school about this.

And in yet another article, apparently several PTO members complained about this lady disrupting classes and won't "let anybody bother her daughter".

So methinks there may be a wee bit more to this story than what some of these articles are geared to have us believe.

I'm not saying this was unwarranted or that this mom has done anything wrong...but I reserve any further judgement on my part until I have more information. Which I'm not likely to get anyway, but...


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/05/army-veteran-banned-from-daughters-school-after-posting-picture-concealed/

http://www.wjbf.com/story/23845263/richmond-county-mom-banned-from-childs-school?fb_action_ids=613794912012237&fb_action_types=og.recommends&action_object_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A1428057464074550%7D&action_type_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%22945877831775%22%3A%22.UnMQTHRsK_g.like%22%7D&fb_ref=.UnhbwDNeGIh.like&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582
Then maybe that "something else" should be the reason they banned her....why do people put stuff like this on facebook is beyond me!

Russellc

yzguy87
November 6, 2013, 09:45 AM
I agree with RetiredUSNChief that there may be more to this than meets the eye because of statements that she raised some eyebrows because of disrupting class, but I also agree with Officers'Wife in defense of Mrs. Mount because she was protecting her daughter.
It is hard to tell what exactly happened with what little has been reported. I'd like to know what "disruptions" Mrs. Mount caused before I make a solid concrete judgement on the whole issue BUT considering the principal, Dr. Janina Dallas said Mrs. Mount was banned solely because of her picture of her concealed carry permit on Facebook AND the fact that Mrs. Mount transferred her daughter to another school within the same school district AND also got her volunteer card back makes me favor Mrs. Mount .

hso
November 6, 2013, 11:32 AM
If the article is correct and the Principal stated that it was the FB page that was the cause for her to do this instead of the specific behavior or statements made by the mom the issue is the Principals irrational fear of permit holders.

If it was the specific mom's behavior coupled with the clear identification of the mom as someone who had a high probability of carrying a firearm on campus the combination should have been clearly stated.

Carl N. Brown
November 6, 2013, 11:44 AM
How many recent school shooters had permits to carry? This is another case where they need to worry more about people who carry without permits.

Mike1234567
November 6, 2013, 02:16 PM
Half truths are far more dangerous than utter lies. We don't have nearly enough information to even guess what's this is about.

RetiredUSNChief
November 6, 2013, 07:32 PM
Sorry Chief,

I was attempting to expand on your thought not detract from it. I would still like to know the nature of those "disturbances." I had an enlisted wife that complained of mistreatment in a public school in Kentucky when Dave was stationed at Campbell that stemmed solely from being a military family. If I sounded too protective of the mother I apologize, I was the Captain's lady too long.

No worries! No offense taken and no apologies necessary!

:)


Then maybe that "something else" should be the reason they banned her....why do people put stuff like this on facebook is beyond me!

TOTALLY agree with the Facebook comment. Another fine example of posting personal information that could come back to bite you. But I digress...


Certainly I agree that the "something else" should have been put forth. However, what people mean to say, what they want to communicate, and how they say it often don't match up for a variety of reasons.

Not to mention what the media subsequently decides to put out there for us to read.


I'll freely admit that the first thing I wanted to to was lambast the principal. But once I start looking into things and saw bits and pieces here and there that, for whatever reason, weren't all lumped together in the first place, I start wondering what other pieces I'm not reading about.

For example, the first couple links I read about only mentioned the mother's posting of the CCW permit on Facebook and the subsequent criminal tresspass warning issued because of it.

But after a few more links, I ran across one that indicated there may also have been concerns because of the mother's behavior.

Now I've got to scratch my head in puzzlement wondering what the whole picture actually looks like and what other pieces of the puzzle are out there.

:scrutiny:


If the mother is totally in the right, then more power to her. But if she's in the spot she's in because she's dug a hole for herself, then she doesn't get my support or sympathy, even if I disagree with the principal with respect to the letter of the law.

Ash
November 7, 2013, 06:00 AM
If she was being bothersome - intrusive even - and was asked to leave because she was disturbing class or making the school routine difficult and she then posted the CCW as some kind of "warning," then I could see having her banned. We don't know enough, particularly enough to make her the darling of our cause. If she was dealing with bullies or a bad teacher and the principal was ignoring her and used the CCW as an excuse to get rid of her, then the case is one worth fighting. I'd sure like to know more.

Officers'Wife
November 7, 2013, 06:31 AM
Quoting Cicero, and in Latin! High Road and high brow! Bravo!
I volunteer for a community wellness program that meets at a Catholic Church. You get 15 to 20 Catholic grandmothers together gossiping and you hear that phrase used quite often and with great emotion. Not highbrow, common local usage.

That said, after much research I still haven't found a record of one disruptive or menacing act. I'm reminded too much of the Barrister's Dreams in Hunting of the Snark- "And talked for three hours before anyone guessed what the pig was supposed to have done."

(Obscure literary reference- that is highbrow. :P )

Double Naught Spy
November 7, 2013, 09:13 AM
That said, after much research I still haven't found a record of one disruptive or menacing act.

You have access to the goings-on at the school?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023980640

jmr40
November 7, 2013, 12:03 PM
There is always more to these stories. The school is unable to ever give their side of the story because of legal reasons. The "victims" routinely run to the press with their slanted, often outright lies and there is no way to publicly denounce them.

I don't know enough facts to say for sure, but I've seen enough of these stories to say that the odds are about 100:1 that this "lady" probably needed to be banned from school property.

herrwalther
November 7, 2013, 12:25 PM
I was wondering when this story was going to become a thread on here.

If it were me, I'd take the child out of that school.

A few of the news articles I have read is she is going after the former school for an apology. So my guess is she did pull her child from the offending school to go somewhere else.

Antis don't care she was military. They don't care that she has a carry permit. And they don't care that few (if any) mass shooters were CCW holders. The recent notable Aurora and Newton shooters certainly weren't. But that is why they are antis. They take any form, in any position of authority, and use any feel good measure they can think of to attack us for having firearms.

drcook
November 7, 2013, 01:15 PM
A phone call from FoxNews.com to Richmond County Board of Education was not immediately returned. WJBF.com asked Janina Dallas, the school's principal, if the "no trespass order" was issued over the post, and Dallas responded: "Yes, it was."

Per the news articles, the principal states it was because she simply posted a pic of her CHL, along with a recipe and pictures of trick or treating.

Officers'Wife
November 7, 2013, 05:36 PM
You have access to the goings-on at the school?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023980640
Oh sure, DU. they are every bit as reliable as a Gannet publication.

Sol
November 7, 2013, 08:15 PM
Not enough info really.

Being she was in military, one would think she would have compartmentalized her facebook page a little better.

"An Army veteran in Georgia is outraged after her daughter’s school banned her from campus because she posted a photo of her concealed weapons license on FACEBOOK."

"I'm a very private person..."

Having a ccw or posting about it on social media isn't grounds to ban you from your childs school, but folks need to know what they are dealing with when it comes to public schooling and the mostly L******
faculty that runs it.

The resulting ban: I don't know if there was grounds for it, but certainly not surprised.

Mike1234567
November 8, 2013, 09:14 AM
Is there any more information regarding the CCW mother and why she's banned from her child's school grounds?

Tirod
November 8, 2013, 10:43 AM
At this point, we likely aren't going to get much.

I can neither confirm or deny I have a CCW, but posting it on Facebook is a major social blunder. "Lesson Learned" should be the specific saying, because the military publishes a newsletter to that exact effect. Don't repeat your mistakes. Army veterans should know that confronting civil authoritarians isn't a good negotiating technique. It makes no difference they are supposed to be servants of the public will. Too many consider themselves directors of the public good.

My wife is a para in our local school - there's a lot more than meets the eye. Disabled parents run the gamut of completely uncaring to overly protective. It's hard to see exactly where this one is on the spectrum of behavior, but power struggles between parents and the administration are nearly a daily event.

This all started because someone wanted to prevent discrimination - putting the kids on a short bus and sending them to an unequal school. So, now, they are right out in front of all the abusive "normal" kids, and it's really no better. If someone was inclined to be nice before, or not, it doesn't really change them that much. What it does do is give the school a cheap source of labor to clean up the cafeteria, etc. "Work related exercises."

Once disabled kids graduate - and they can stay in school as long as they don't pass their senior year - then what is there for them? A workshop job, they actually lose life skills, and don't get the highly specialized attention they were denied by forcing them into a regular classroom. The brutal fact is they mature to their permanent level of ability, and that's it. Actually, no different than any of us.

Teaching the disabled is a grind. They have behavior issues, some much more than others, including violence. Depending on their level of disability, it can and has led to confinement. There are a lot of issues surrounding them, many of which they simply don't understand. Some they do - being constantly derided in a society where they are disempowered means they simply retreat, disengaging themselves. It's just like PTSD. If you aren't around the stimulus, you have solved the problem.

Caring instructors and paras can help, but they can't work a miracle. The child has a limit to what they can do and understand. To put it into perspective, consider that in this case, the parent has a CCW. I don't know of ANY disabled child who would be capable of it. I would like to think it's possible, the reality is, not happening.

We should be concerned about how are children are cared for, but it's no different than other kids - the aggressive bullies will attempt to dominate their social circle regardless for their own agenda. What it's called is school.

hso
November 9, 2013, 01:57 PM
I've removed some discussion that wasn't focused narrowly on the topic of the principal's action.

TennJed
November 9, 2013, 04:13 PM
Of course more may be to the story, but I emailed the following to her. I do not expect a response, but hopefully if she gets enough of these kind of emails she will either reconsider her stance or maybe make the whole story available

I read the story of your treatment of Tanya Mount. To threaten a law abiding citizen with trespassing for no reason is very disturbing. I just wanted to pass along that I live several states over and I am now aware of this story. I will share this story with everyone I can and I am sure they will do the same.


I hope you understand that the negative response you are getting all over the country is an indication that you were wrong and you may need to reconsider your actions. I hope your employers realize what kind of negative publicity you are creating for your school

hso
November 9, 2013, 04:25 PM
for no reason

You have to identify the specific issue we're enraged over because when it is implied instead of explicitly stated the recipient can rationalize you're bothered by something else.

Also, she's not the person to direct this to. The Super and higher are who should be receiving these letters because they can force the Principal to withdraw the order keeping the mom off the property and to even apologize. We have to use the very words that have been attributed to the Principal whenever possible so that her very words that she order the prohibition because of a legally acquired carry permit are the focus of our concern.

TennJed
November 9, 2013, 04:32 PM
You have to identify the specific issue we're enraged over because when it is implied instead of explicitly stated the recipient can rationalize you're bothered by something else.

Also, she's not the person to direct this to. The Super and higher are who should be receiving these letters because they can force the Principal to withdraw the order keeping the mom off the property and to even apologize. We have to use the very words that have been attributed to the Principal whenever possible so that her very words that she order the prohibition because of a legally acquired carry permit are the focus of our concern.
very good points. I will try to the Super email and revise it some. I should have posted it before it hit send :o

hso
November 9, 2013, 05:39 PM
THR's here to help give all of us the help we need getting our voices heard.

ashleywebb
November 15, 2013, 01:15 AM
yeah... nothing can be done about it. Let it go

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