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jimnbubba
November 6, 2013, 09:58 AM
How many of you have heard stories of people loading the ball before the powder and said "I'll never do that' ? I Did and I did

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clearcut
November 6, 2013, 10:08 AM
Keep ya humble don't it..... but ball pullers have been around a long time :)
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zimmerstutzen
November 6, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jeesh, knew better than to say I don't do it, usually got to BSing and dry balled at least once or twice a year back when I was shooting matches every week.

jimnbubba
November 6, 2013, 01:14 PM
Yes sir Humble Pie

Col4570
November 6, 2013, 01:58 PM
Aint done it lately but have in the past.I usualy Blow them out with a bit of fine powder under the Nipple.

whughett
November 6, 2013, 04:26 PM
Got a guy in my gun club who won't talk to me anymore because he claimed I caused him to forget the powder. Seems I was talking with a fellow shooter close enough for him to overhear and it distracted him. Problem was he could not, at first, figure out why the gun would not fire. Guess I compounded the matter when I questioned why he did not have his ram rod marked for barrel length of a dry bore.

jimnbubba
November 6, 2013, 07:21 PM
Some powder in the nipple hole is how I got it cleared,the ball puller just pulled out of the ball

davepool
November 6, 2013, 09:14 PM
I've never loaded a dry ball, i took it up a notch and broke off a bore brush in the breech of my Pennsylvania .50 cal:banghead:

Pancho
November 6, 2013, 11:09 PM
PPB, That's what they called me for years at deer camp after I dry balled in front of everyone while we were loading to start the first hunt. PPB? that would be short for powder,patch,ball.

ThorinNNY
November 7, 2013, 09:46 AM
I would like to have pgif - powder goes in first -tattooed on my brain. :uhoh:

Loyalist Dave
November 7, 2013, 09:54 AM
I was told more than 35 years ago when I started in BP that there were two types of shooters... Those that have loaded a ball without powder, and those that are going to load a ball without powder. I fall into the first category...

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thralldad
November 8, 2013, 01:37 PM
First time I shot my son's 1860. Doh!

BullSlinger
November 8, 2013, 01:51 PM
I once loaded two round balls into the same cylinder. And before you ask, second ball not seat below top of cylinder. Was a real pain in the butt to remove both balls but I learned my lesson. Was on a Colt 1860 so removal of cylinder was easy.

whughett
November 14, 2013, 06:01 PM
Did that on my 1851 Remington .36 cal. Cut the protuding ball flush with a pocket knife
then capped and fired.

BowerR64
November 14, 2013, 08:01 PM
I havnt dry balled in a while myself but what i found that helped me was a good system.

Once you find a good system and you stick with it speed in loading and accuracy will then fall into place. The fewer steps in your system the less chance you have to make a mistake.

A stand helped me, the quick charge tubes and leaving the load lever down after the last loaded ball.

I dont know if i can do 10 in 10 minutes but i think i can come close.:cool:

Crawdad1
November 15, 2013, 06:36 AM
After nearly 40 years of shooting black powder revolvers, rifles and shotguns, I've made all of the mistakes and will again. No way around it. But now I know enough to fix most of them, hopefully.:uhoh:

YumaKid
November 17, 2013, 12:49 AM
Hasn't been 40+ years for me, just barely 4; but it's been three dry balls. :banghead:

Part of my "range kit" is a 12" piece of brazing rod (because the averages favor the 8" Remmie being the one that's down one charge of powder); and there's always at least 1 or 2 hammers in the truck box in the bed of my F150, even if I'm not going to the range.

BowerR64
November 17, 2013, 12:54 AM
I have a #16 nail i cut the point off that ive used a few times.

Dframe
November 21, 2013, 06:44 PM
If you haven't ever done it,... you just haven't sent enough ball downrange.

jgh4445
November 22, 2013, 09:44 AM
Been there, done that, drank outta that bottle!

whughett
November 22, 2013, 02:12 PM
After nearly 40 years of shooting black powder revolvers, rifles and shotguns, I've made all of the mistakes and will again. No way around it. But now I know enough to fix most of them, hopefully.:uhoh:
Ever fire your ramrod. Mining the 25yrd range back stop for lead, this past summer I unearthed the tip of a ramrod.The shaft had been fiberglass and only an inch or so remained in the tip. My guess was some one fired it, picked up the shaft then could not find the tip.

Dframe
November 22, 2013, 05:18 PM
At my old Muzzle Loader club we had a traveling trophy. It was a highly polished wood plaque with a target painted on it and a dowell rod permanently imbedded in the bullseye. It was a traveling trophy because sooner or later someone would shoot a ramrod down range. That person was awarded the trophy and had to keep it until the next person did it. Got to be a great joke around the club.

Crawdad1
November 22, 2013, 05:46 PM
Well, you got me on that one because I've never fired my ramrod!!!! Let me re-phrase my response, "I've made MOST of the mistakes" :)

Col4570
November 23, 2013, 02:05 AM
A certain re-enactment group here,shot the Ramrod out and it stuck in the leg of a horse rider.They also set a field on fire with cannon fire and burnt out some vehicles.

DaveP (UK)
November 23, 2013, 06:09 PM
A certain re-enactment group here,shot the Ramrod out and it stuck in the leg of a horse rider.They also set a field on fire with cannon fire and burnt out some vehicles.
I must have blinked! When did that happen?

tpelle
November 23, 2013, 06:30 PM
That's one of the features that I like about the Colt pattern pistols - the ability to remove the barrel and cylinder to help you get out of fixes.

I was experimenting with paper cartridges and had the charge in one cartridge only partly detonate. It pushed the ball just partly out of the cylinder and partly into the forcing cone. I pulled the barrel and cylinder, and decapped the remaining chambers. I then pushed the ball back flush into the chamber, removed the nipple and cleaned out the remaining cap debris, and poured a charge in through the nipple hole. I then replaced the nipple, recapped and fired.

As long as you're shooting a revolver, and using the loading lever to seat the ball, I bet you could do the same even with a Remmie.

BowerR64
November 23, 2013, 07:00 PM
Yeah if a remmie had a ball jammed between the chamber and forcing cone it would be a little more tricky. You would need a rod or something to hammer it back in a little so you could rotate the cylinder.

Im starting to like the colt a little more, i didnt care for it in the begining. It is harder to load because the frame seems so fat but i do like how easy it comes apart.

There are good and bad of each that i like and dont like.

I like the way they both look

Col4570
November 24, 2013, 01:39 PM
The Ramrod accident happened a few years back as related to me by someone who was there.The cannon field fire was on a hot dry day and the car parks where full so they used a field with long grass, the fire spread and burned the cars out.

DaveP (UK)
November 24, 2013, 02:53 PM
I guess I must have been looking the other way , then. Archery rather than shooting.
I'll 'fess up anyway.
I haven't dryballed my revolver yet - just my .50 rifle - but as its an inline, designed to have the plug pulled, it wasn't much of a problem.
However, it's last outing ended with an early bath...

I had noticed that the flintlock lads never seem to use a loading funnel. I was curious about how much harder powder sticking to the rifling made the task of seating the projectile. So I dumped my charge straight down the barrel.
Thing is, I use REAL bullets, not PRB.
I got it as far as the short starter would send it, and a couple of inches more,
Then I went to where the big hammer hangs out - Home!
Never again!

Col4570
November 24, 2013, 06:21 PM
Yes it can be a bugger when the Bullet goes tight,the more you try the more the thing expands.

damoc
November 24, 2013, 07:56 PM
YEP


drove a self tapping screw into the ball and pulled it out that way

revolver

Another time in a hawken I just kept adding power in through the nipple "hole /fire chamber"untill I could blow it out.

Dframe
November 26, 2013, 10:36 AM
Most of the folks at my old club had self tapping screws with the opposite end threaded for their favorite cleaning rod, to do just that. an alternative was a powder trickler that could trickle enough 4F through the nipple to allow the ball to be shot out. Otherwise most removed the nipple and trickled enough powder in to do the same thing.

Gatofeo
November 28, 2013, 01:16 AM
Decades ago I began using lubricated felt wads between the powder and ball in my cap and ball revolvers.
This has prevented me from seating a ball without powder.
Through the years, I've forgotten a few times to add powder before seating the lubricated wad. No big deal; the wad can be tipped sideways in the chamber with a small screwdriver, then carefully manipulated out.
I've been a proponent of using lubricated felt wads in cap and ball revolvers for decades. Not only does the wad keep the bore cleaner but it's easier to remove if you forget to add powder.

Incidentally, the earliest reference I've found to using a felt wad between ball and powder in revolvers is in a 1928 American Rifleman magazine. The practice must be older, because it was suggested to a reader who asked how to load such a revolver.
Though some people have claimed that the old timers used felt wads, I've never read or heard of a contemporary source (diary, journal, exploration notes, etc.) that verify this claim.

As long as I load with felt wads, the prospect of forgetting to add powder isn't a problem for me.

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