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smalltruck
November 9, 2013, 01:54 AM
I live in Minnesota and if you go deer hunting around here most shots are less than 200 yards with many areas that are slug gun only. I have a 25-06 and do my own loading.

Earlier this fall I built a steel gong from scrap steel. 3/4 in rebar legs and a 14 inch gong made from 5/8ths thick mild steel. Shooting a 100 grain sierra MK with H414 powder at 100 yards I put the first one right through the gong. Yes hole straight through.

Not what I expected to say the least. I'm thinking that wild hog hunting in TX next year sounds like fun. I got told that my current gun isn't big enough for hogs for any shots over 50 yards. Huh?

What got recommended was a 300AAC blackout with a suppressor. I looked at the ballistics of this with subsonic loads and laughed. That aint happening.

Are TX hogs armor plated? I'm thinking at less than 200 yards I have enough gun to drop any hog I shoot. Unless its wearing body armor...

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HOOfan_1
November 9, 2013, 01:59 AM
You can't compare piercing steel to shooting game. Speed kills on steel. I bet my .22-250 loaded with frangible varmint rounds would go right through that steel also.

That said, .25-06 is twice the round that the .300 blackout is....

MistWolf
November 9, 2013, 05:06 AM
They kill hogs by the droves with the 5.56 and suddenly a 25-06 isn't enough gun? That's just retarded

Dean1818
November 9, 2013, 07:20 AM
The ranch in Texas I am hunting on in 2 weeks doesnt allow 223 for pigs.

The owner says he has seen too many pigs run off after being shot. There are many other people here in Texas that feel this way as well.

A humane kill is top on my list when I hunt.

Of course with the perfect shot, 1 in 1000 shot, a 22LR might bring down a pig. Its has to be extremely accurate. The people I know that use 223 for pigs shoot when they can put a bullet right behind the ear.

The problem with hunting vs paper target time, is the movement of the animal and brush around. The 1 inch group at the range with a rifle on sandbags, doesnt equate to a freehand shot on an animal moving fast in dim light.

I have hunted with a few " range 1 MOA" accurate hunters, that have totally missed a 300 lb pig on the run.

I have killed a few with my Bison Armory 6.8 AR15. (Lighter 270) With a Hornady 120 g SST over 2200 powder.
(My DRT bullet)

I also use an 8mm mauser

If you can get 1000ft lbs with a good bullet in your 25-06 (Barnes, Accubond) it should do the trick on Texas pigs

Good luck on the hunt. I would recommend carrying a sidearem as well when you shoot pigs.

My last pig and (5 others) were coming right at me when I shot at 20 feet away. I was on the ground at 2 am, without much light. Its a bit of a rush.

They can be a mean animal. In much of the place I hunt the "trees" are short...... Not much place to climb when they charge you......

Also, forget the expensive covers sents and garments and full camo suits.

The pigs cant see very well. But they CAN pick up your scent. Even through that stuff.

I had a guide tell me that a pig has a "100 times" stronger nose than a bloodhound
I dont know about that, but I know that I am successful only when I hunt the wind.

The pigs arent bullet proof here, but they are VERY tough.

Where are you thinking of hunting?

PabloJ
November 9, 2013, 07:31 AM
I live in Minnesota and if you go deer hunting around here most shots are less than 200 yards with many areas that are slug gun only. I have a 25-06 and do my own loading.

Earlier this fall I built a steel gong from scrap steel. 3/4 in rebar legs and a 14 inch gong made from 5/8ths thick mild steel. Shooting a 100 grain sierra MK with H414 powder at 100 yards I put the first one right through the gong. Yes hole straight through.

Not what I expected to say the least. I'm thinking that wild hog hunting in TX next year sounds like fun. I got told that my current gun isn't big enough for hogs for any shots over 50 yards. Huh?

What got recommended was a 300AAC blackout with a suppressor. I looked at the ballistics of this with subsonic loads and laughed. That aint happening.

Are TX hogs armor plated? I'm thinking at less than 200 yards I have enough gun to drop any hog I shoot. Unless its wearing body armor...
Favored weapons on driven game European shoots are short stroke self loaders like 7.62x51 BAR, FNchester, Benelli, Merkel,... with electro-optical sight. It allows quick follow up shots. Sorry Amigo American boar hold "no vodka" to a Russian ones.:p

PabloJ
November 9, 2013, 08:09 AM
PS. For extreme knockdown I have seen Benellish self loading Merkel in cal. 9.3x62. It had synthetic stock, front 'Raybar-type' and rear quick tunnel Battue sight. That's in case ole' longhorn bull takes interest in you. It will drop like stuck by lightning, but you will need lots of money to pay off the meat.

jmr40
November 9, 2013, 08:16 AM
Your 25-06 will be just fine on anything from elk on down. It is about bullet choice. Use a quality bullet designed to hold together on tougher animals.

Part of the problem with rounds such as 223, 25-06, 243 etc. is that they are designed as dual purpose rounds. Many bullets sold for them are designed as varmit loads that expand quickly in small, soft animals such as coyote. Shoot those bullets at larger tougher game such as hogs and you will see failures. You'd see the same results if shooting varmit loads from a 300 magnum, Shoot bullets made for larger game and even the 223 will work just fine on hogs.

Hollerpoint
November 9, 2013, 08:29 AM
Oh the misinformation available. THE load for the 20+ pigs I kill in my TX pecan orchard weekly never changes and is rarely outperformed. 5.56 with 62gr xm855. I rarely have the chance to decide shot placement with oceans of pigs on the run. I shoot where I can. That bullet loves to buzz saw through them and rarely do I have one escape that has been hit anywhere.....even gutshots. Take specific note of the xm855 bullet. The difference between it and the 55 grainers is veeery significant. 25-06 is more than sufficient.

CraigC
November 9, 2013, 09:57 AM
It's all about bullet selection and shot placement.

Dean1818
November 9, 2013, 10:29 AM
Oh the misinformation available. THE load for the 20+ pigs I kill in my TX pecan orchard weekly never changes and is rarely outperformed. 5.56 with 62gr xm855. I rarely have the chance to decide shot placement with oceans of pigs on the run. I shoot where I can. That bullet loves to buzz saw through them and rarely do I have one escape that has been hit anywhere.....even gutshots. Take specific note of the xm855 bullet. The difference between it and the 55 grainers is veeery significant. 25-06 is more than sufficient.
I think if I had that many pigs running over my land I would use a slingshot if thats all I had.

Living in the 'burbs in north Texas, the only pests we see are pushy magazine sales people.

They passed an ordinance recently that you can no longer shoot them.


As a hunter first, I dont have to take out many. I am just looking for one at a time.

To me, they are a game animal. Just like a deer.
(I like the taste of the meat better)

To me, having a gut shot animal, with a FMJ, steel penetrating bullet, isnt my personal
choice for hunting.

But...... Knowing the frustrations of some of the farmers here in Texas with the onslaught of these pigs, I can understand I can see how someone could put them in the "rat" territory, meaning shoot them however you want.

Its your land. Its your choice what you use.

hatt
November 9, 2013, 10:54 AM
Oh the misinformation available. THE load for the 20+ pigs I kill in my TX pecan orchard weekly never changes and is rarely outperformed. 5.56 with 62gr xm855. I rarely have the chance to decide shot placement with oceans of pigs on the run. I shoot where I can. That bullet loves to buzz saw through them and rarely do I have one escape that has been hit anywhere.....even gutshots. Take specific note of the xm855 bullet. The difference between it and the 55 grainers is veeery significant. 25-06 is more than sufficient.I don't remember ever hearing a single person say the m855 has superior terminal performance in flesh over m193.

I agree the .25-06 is more than sufficient with proper bullets. No need to buy a new gun for your TX trip OP.

jack44
November 9, 2013, 12:15 PM
Any 30 cal. will kill a hog if your aim is true!.

Hollerpoint
November 9, 2013, 01:24 PM
I don't remember ever hearing a single person say the m855 has superior terminal performance in flesh over m193.

I agree the .25-06 is more than sufficient with proper bullets. No need to buy a new gun for your TX trip OP.
I think it's related to the density of the hog. 855 flat outperforms 193 in hogs. I'll get some pics and maybe do a comparo thread with some good pics.

taliv
November 9, 2013, 01:46 PM
while i certainly agree with the spirit of dean1818's posts about humane kills, the 223 55g is way more than enough to humanely kill pigs. most people believe it's better than the 62g, which is still plenty for humane kills.

i certainly would not recommend head shots. blowing it's jaw off and starving it to death is about as bad as i can imagine. there are way too many stories about that happening.

shot placement
shot placement
shot placement

smalltruck
November 9, 2013, 03:41 PM
Dean- I am hoping to hunt north of Abilene about 75 miles. I know several of the ranchers in that area.

Dean1818
November 9, 2013, 04:03 PM
Dean- I am hoping to hunt north of Abilene about 75 miles. I know several of the ranchers in that area.
I wish you luck

Pigs are fun to hunt

a-sheepdog
November 9, 2013, 05:21 PM
Your 25-06 would be perfect for taking wild hogs. Shot placement and good bullets and you are good to go.

MCgunner
November 9, 2013, 07:12 PM
Not what I expected to say the least. I'm thinking that wild hog hunting in TX next year sounds like fun. I got told that my current gun isn't big enough for hogs for any shots over 50 yards. Huh?

What got recommended was a 300AAC blackout with a suppressor. I looked at the ballistics of this with subsonic loads and laughed. That aint happening.

Sounds like the advice of an idiot that's into ARs. The .300 blackout can probably take hogs cleanly at 50 yards. the .25-06 can do it at 500 yards if you can shoot it and it's an accurate rifle. I'd shoot a 117 interlock if it's accurate in your gun, but go with the 117-120 grain bullets for big pigs and you're good. The quarter bores are awesome. I wonder what this guy would say about the .257 Weatherby Magnum? Probably never heard of Roy Weatherby. He don't make EBRs. :rolleyes:

The only rifle I had for hunting here up until I was nearly 40 years old was a .257 Roberts and, truth be told, while I like my .308, I really didn't need it, not for hunting in this state. But, I did want it and it is a great hunting caliber. :D

allaroundhunter
November 10, 2013, 01:24 AM
I guess my .243 that has taken over 10 Texas hogs isn't enough either.....

OP, don't listen to that guy. Get your gun zeroed and then go kill some pigs. And outshoot the guy with the .300 blk while you're at it.

Captcurt
November 10, 2013, 06:32 PM
Everybody knows that it takes at least a 375 H&H for hogs:rolleyes:. Any round that can take a whitetail cleanly will take a pig.

MCgunner
November 10, 2013, 10:23 PM
Everybody knows that it takes at least a 375 H&H for hogs. Any round that can take a whitetail cleanly will take a pig.

That's a good sarcastic point. :D There is a lot of myth surrounding pigs in places that don't have 'em by people who've never seen one in the wild, let alone hunted 'em. First of all, you can walk in the woods without getting torn to pieces by wild packs of hogs. I hear all these scary horror stories. :rolleyes: And, yeah, they ain't bullet proof. If it's good for deer, it ain't gonna bounce off a hog.

The .300 blackout thing is pretty hilarious, though. :D

taliv
November 10, 2013, 10:51 PM
300blk supersonic should be just fine. A subsonic still usually shoots a heavier faster bullet than a 45acp. I shoot 245g lead and 230g Berger hybrids at about 1000 fps. The rainbow trajectory is the challenge there.

MCgunner
November 10, 2013, 11:10 PM
300blk supersonic should be just fine. A subsonic still usually shoots a heavier faster bullet than a 45acp. I shoot 245g lead and 230g Berger hybrids at about 1000 fps. The rainbow trajectory is the challenge there.

Perhaps, but the OP's .25-06, what he already has, is a HECK of a lot more gun!

taliv
November 10, 2013, 11:28 PM
Oh no doubt.

Swampman
November 11, 2013, 08:39 AM
The 25-06 is an excellent choice for hogs! Were I you, I'd load it up with 115 or 120 grain Nosler Partitions and make sure I had plenty of barbecue sauce ready to go.
While some people seem to think it's a waste to use Partitions on hogs, I disagree since they allow you to make a humane, fast killing shot from just about any angle.

A 100 or 115 grain Barnes "X" SHOULD do as good or better, but that hasn't been my experience. The hogs seem to run a good bit farther given similar shot placement.

The Partitions have a much higher DRT rate, at least for me.

Also, the suggestion to use a suppressed .300 Blackout isn't really as stupid as some posters are making it out to be.
It's not about the ballistics, it's about the noise level.
I don't have a .300 blackout (yet), but I've killed a lot of hogs with a suppressed Remington 700 in .308 shooting subsonic, cast 230 grain bullets.

Put a bullet right behind the ear of the boss sow and a goodly percentage of the time the rest of the sounder will hang around so that you can often make multiple kills on stationary pigs rather than trying to butt shoot pigs that are going at top speed dead away from you.

heeler
November 11, 2013, 09:43 AM
Hogs are not Rino's.
Any centerfire rifle that is used for deer hunting will certainly kill hogs as well.
I can't even remember the number of hogs I have killed in the past using a .243 or 6mm.
Hell I even know a guy that uses a .222 on hogs.

allaroundhunter
November 11, 2013, 10:37 AM
Swampman, I'm not saying that the .300 is a bad idea, because it is a great round for the job. I'm saying that the person who told the OP that the .25-06 is a bad choice and that he should use a .300 blk instead is an idiot.

MCgunner
November 11, 2013, 05:04 PM
The 25-06 is an excellent choice for hogs! Were I you, I'd load it up with 115 or 120 grain Nosler Partitions and make sure I had plenty of barbecue sauce ready to go.
While some people seem to think it's a waste to use Partitions on hogs, I disagree since they allow you to make a humane, fast killing shot from just about any angle.

A 100 or 115 grain Barnes "X" SHOULD do as good or better, but that hasn't been my experience. The hogs seem to run a good bit farther given similar shot placement.

The Partitions have a much higher DRT rate, at least for me.

There's nothing the .257" diameter partition can do that the Hornady 117 grain Interlock can't. That bullet is a penetrator, is accurate, and has a higher BC, not that hog hunting is done beyond 100 yards. But, for penetration, I've found nothing to gripe about in the Interlock bullet in .25 caliber.

Swampman
November 11, 2013, 07:20 PM
The 25-06 is an excellent choice for hogs! Were I you, I'd load it up with 115 or 120 grain Nosler Partitions

Note the disclaimer, "Were I you", I gave my preference in .257 bullets for hogs based on what I've used successfully in the past, the best being the Nosler Partition.

If you prefer the Hornady Interlock, by all means use it!

I do think that if you did a survey among experienced hunters asking which medium game bullet design was the most reliable under a variety of conditions, the Partition would be ranked considerably higher up on the list than the Interlock (this is assuming that the Interlock would even make the list).

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if you asked a Hornady Tech Rep about the best .257 diameter bullet to use for game that might go 600 pounds and require shots from the rear quarter, even THEY wouldn't recommend the interlock, they'd probably steer you toward their more reliable ,deeper penetrating, "Premium" InterBond or GMX bullets!

MCgunner
November 11, 2013, 09:32 PM
Note the disclaimer, "Were I you", I gave my preference in .257 bullets for hogs based on what I've used successfully in the past, the best being the Nosler Partition.

If you prefer the Hornady Interlock, by all means use it!

I do think that if you did a survey among experienced hunters asking which medium game bullet design was the most reliable under a variety of conditions, the Partition would be ranked considerably higher up on the list than the Interlock (this is assuming that the Interlock would even make the list).

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if you asked a Hornady Tech Rep about the best .257 diameter bullet to use for game that might go 600 pounds and require shots from the rear quarter, even THEY wouldn't recommend the interlock, they'd probably steer you toward their more reliable ,deeper penetrating, "Premium" InterBond or GMX bullets!

All your opinion and you seem to know a lot about what other people would tell me. :rolleyes:

I've used the interlock on deer, too tough, not enough expansion to suit me, so I dropped down to a 100 grain Sierra Game King and have been happy. The 117 Interlock was a 1 MOA bullet, the Sierra is a 1/2 MOA bullet. I like accuracy.

I shot my first hog with a 7 mag, a few with a .357 magnum handgun, one with a 7.62x39, several with a .308. I was using the same bullet with ALL of 'em that I use on deer. Hogs ain't that tough. a HUGE hog, well, I might rather have the interlock than the Sierra. The Sierra is great on deer, but it does expand rapidly and it doesn't penetrate near as well as the Interlock which I've had penetrate the full length of a good size buck, butt to neck, before. It plowed through the ham on the way.

I'm sure the partition is good, is in other calibers, but it's really un-necessary on pigs. The 160 partition shoots rather well in my 7 mag, not sure what the .25 caliber version would do in my .257 Roberts. Pretty happy with what I've tried though, and if it ain't broke......

Swampman
November 12, 2013, 10:22 AM
Shooters Pro Shop = $12.85/50, 115 gr. .257 Partition = :D

MCgunner
November 12, 2013, 01:42 PM
Meh, if I thought I might need a partition for the .257, I'd just take my .308....or my 7 mag....:D I'm not a one gun guy, after all. I've been hunting with a CVA Wolf in 50 caliber a lot. No stinkin' magic bullets for THAT! Just good old 385 grains of cast full caliber bullet. Like hittin' 'em with a bowling ball at 1500 fps. :D When you hit something with it, there's no doubt you hit it....KAWHOOOOOP! :D

Swampman
November 12, 2013, 09:11 PM
Me + Rotator Cuff Surgery + 5 weeks - .338 Win Mag:fire: - 30-06:fire: - 7.92x57:fire: - 7.62x54R:fire: - 7.5 Swiss:fire: - .308:fire: - 30-30:fire: - 7x57:fire:

= +++++ .257 Bob Imp.:D

Oleson
November 13, 2013, 10:23 AM
There are seven -7- confirmed cases where a .22lr brought down an elephant.
Would you try it? Of course not. It's not ALL about bullet placement.
"Use enough gun". (Ruark? I forget...)
I've only hunted boar once, in the Czech Rep. I used my dads Sako in .308
That's enough gun.
.223 isn't allowed for boar in Norway, not even close.
Will it work? Of course it will, if the shooter does his/hers job, and the bullet hits something vital.
Is it enough gun? In my humble opinion, nope.
I would use something with a bit more kick. 25-06 sounds like a good round.
Personally, I would use 9,3x62. But maybe I'm affected by my Scandinavian roots.:D

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