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Denmark116
March 26, 2004, 11:39 PM
My god..... I am going crazy with the Bersa talk... It is always Bersa bersa bersa around here....

I just bought my latest 1911 this week (a beautiful Dan Wesson .45), and now I am sitting here wondering two things:

A.) where I am going to find the scratch to go out and get a Bersa .380

B.) how am I going to hide it from the wife when I do

Just out of curiosity, based on all of the chatter on here about the almighty Bersa, how many of you either have one or are planning on the Bersa being thier next purchase?

You can count me as a next one I am going to purchase...

Denmark

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gbelleh
March 26, 2004, 11:48 PM
Have one. Want more.

Great gun. Great value! :D

rde
March 26, 2004, 11:53 PM
Have one (based entirely on what I have read here)...LOVE IT.

horge
March 27, 2004, 12:05 AM
...Enough with the Bersa Posts Already...


Well, uhmmm, okay.
This is what I can do to help:
I'll never again post about these pistols, starting tomorrow.

Fair enough?




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:)

tc300mag1
March 27, 2004, 12:07 AM
ya didnt have a option for dont have one might buy one.. if i do its not my next purchase since thats all ready in the works.

auldpharght
March 27, 2004, 12:11 AM
Got one of the first Bersa Thunder 45's. Sweeeeeeeeeeet! Now in the process of getting my wife a .380.

Gosh awful problem, ain't it? :neener:

pauli
March 27, 2004, 12:17 AM
bersa bersa bersa bersa bersa bersa bersa bersa bersa bersa bersa bersa THUNDER, THUNDER!

yeah, yeah, welcome to six months ago, i know...

Denmark116
March 27, 2004, 12:25 AM
I guess that if you are going to have an addiciton, the 200.00 dollar variety is much better the then the HK or the Sig Virus... That will cost you 600 to over a 1000 a pop...

Granted I have a sig, and I love my sig, but i know darn well that I cannot support a sig habit....

I have a much better chance of satisfying my Bersa fix.....

20.00 a week for 11 weeks = a Bersa Thunder .380 in two tone....

That is my plan....

Denmark

Lobotomy Boy
March 27, 2004, 12:33 AM
I haven't had the urge to purchase multiple Bersas, so I don't think I'm addicted to buying them. I may becoming addicted to shooting them though. I want to get out and shoot the one I have all the time.

Ala Dan
March 27, 2004, 12:38 AM
My next purchase could be a Bersa .380?

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

MICHAEL T
March 27, 2004, 01:16 AM
love mine nothing more needs said

Sunray
March 27, 2004, 01:25 AM
Don't have one or want one. However, I don't think it's right, for any of us, to refuse to help a shooter based on his firearm. That's why forums exist.

denfoote
March 27, 2004, 01:39 AM
I have no opinion at all regarding the Bersa!!
How many of you share that view???

"yote"
March 27, 2004, 01:44 AM
I'll stick with my Walther PPK in stainless.

CWatson
March 27, 2004, 02:34 AM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM Bersa!

Tamara
March 27, 2004, 06:34 AM
No box for "They're fine pistols, but just don't interest me at all."

Marshall
March 27, 2004, 07:17 AM
For two hundred, might get one and probably will. Just can't get my jeans to rise about them.

Crazy
March 27, 2004, 08:10 AM
Have one, love it. But then again I haven't met too many pistols that I don't love. Why just the other day a new Springfield Mil-Spec followed me home.... I figure if you collect enough of them the wifey can't keep up with what's been in the safe and what's just coming through the door for the first time. :)
Crazy

BlkHawk73
March 27, 2004, 08:26 AM
I don'y have one currently. Almost bought one years ago but went with a Ruger SP101 instead. I believe my brother has a clone on one though. I may own one someday but not likely to be anytime soon. Actually, as I'm not big on .380's, I'll likely not buy one unless it's a hell of a good deal. Just don't really need one.

Lobotomy Boy
March 27, 2004, 08:28 AM
Your plan sounds like a good one, Crazy. It is more or less the same one my wife uses with shoes and it works for her.

Regarding the people who are voting for option four, I have to respect people whose opinions come from practical experience. It reminds me of a line from an old Hank Williams Jr. song: "You're the only one who you are [insert euphemism for the coital act] when you put down what you don't understand."

wally
March 27, 2004, 08:59 AM
For about $200 its inevitable that I'll get one eventually at the next gun show where I don't find anything better at a price I like. Had a very good run of luck at the shows this past year so no Bersa for me so far.

I may go for the "Thunder" 9 or 45 instead, since I'm not a big fan of .380 and 9mm is cheapest to shoot.

--wally.

Edit: didn't vote in the poll because "would consider buying one" is not a choice.
the other options aren't true for me, and buying one is not a priority for me.

Lobotomy Boy
March 27, 2004, 09:03 AM
At the last gun show I attended Bersa Thunder 380s were running in the $240-$275 range so I went and bought a brand new one from Gander Mountain for $194 (regular price $219, but they took $25 off because of two small scratches on the slide).

I'm heading out the door to run another 200-300 rounds through the little booger. You all should shut down your computers, get out and do some shooting. It's Saturday.

RJ likeguns
March 27, 2004, 09:16 AM
Curious to know why 7 people voted that they are POS. Is it based on experience or personal opinion?:confused:

9x19
March 27, 2004, 09:22 AM
I only have three (.22, .32, .380) but they have all been good performers with no problems.

SirVette
March 27, 2004, 09:33 AM
Have a pair. Since no one has posted the obligatory pic. yet:

http://www.gunpix.com/gallery/Handguns/Semi-Autos/BERSA%2085S.JPG

Will probably buy only 1 or 2 more.

:cool:

George Hill
March 27, 2004, 10:41 AM
I think if I was to pick a .380, it would be either an NAA Guardian, another PPK, or a CZ-83.

71Commander
March 27, 2004, 11:24 AM
I own the Bersa FireStorm in dual tone.

Last Sunday I ran across a Mark IV Gov't 380 and it followed me home under the condition that I evict the Bersa. I agree to the terms but I lied:D I just could'nt bring my self to do it. I mean, if I sold it, I only would get maybe 100.00 for it. Looking at it in those terms, it's the best 100.00 gun I own

Black Snowman
March 27, 2004, 12:11 PM
Not a fan of .380s. I moved right from rimfires to .44 Mag when I was learning to shoot pistols and I still have trouble taking even the 9mm seriously.

So it's nothing against the gun, I've just decided hat a 9mm is the littlest gun I want to buy so the Bursa donsn't interest me. I didn't vote as there wasn't an "other".

Majic
March 27, 2004, 03:42 PM
I didn't vote because I don't think they are POS, but have no intention of ever buying one. They just don't float my boat.
My S/O gave them all of a few seconds of her attention when looking, but passes them by as she looks at the CZ and the Beretta.

Marshall
March 27, 2004, 07:17 PM
Nice looking timber on your Bersa SirVette.

Vitamin G
March 27, 2004, 09:58 PM
I had a bersa for about six months. Nice little gun, compact, reliable, etc. I couldn't get used to the idea of .380.
Bought a Glock 26, which is much wider, but 9mm.
Eventually also bought a used Kimber TLE II for $400 with Bersa trade in. Best deal i've gotten.

I got lucky, all three have been (and were) extremely reliable.

dsgrntldPW
March 28, 2004, 12:11 AM
Very much looking forward to trying out my new matte Firestorm .380, but too much yard work so far. If and when the over 10 rd capacity mag ban expires, I intend to seriously drool over that Bersa double stack .380 Thunder if they start importing them.

David4516
March 28, 2004, 02:03 AM
They seem like decent pistols, but why would I want a Bersa when I've already got a Makarov :D

Smoke
March 28, 2004, 08:25 AM
A friend of mine showed up with a Bersa 380, after all I had seen on here about this gun I was eager to shoot it. And after 3 mags; I was really not impressed.:scrutiny:

I'll keep my Colt Gov't 380, Thank you.

Smoke

alwims
March 28, 2004, 10:14 AM
4 Bersa's and counting. :D

longeyes
March 28, 2004, 10:43 AM
I'd rather have another Mak.

wally
March 28, 2004, 10:45 AM
I doubt anyone would be impressed by any .380.

At yesterday's gun show two-tone Bursas were very common at $192.50, I would have got one but I found good deals on better guns instead.

--wally.

Lobotomy Boy
March 28, 2004, 10:59 AM
Wally, how do you define "impressed"? Is it the awe inspired by the size of a hole in a paper target? Is the BG unimpressed when he is shot in the face by a .380?

I don't understand why Americans are so obsessed with size. Sure, for CCW I'd go with a .45 over a .380, but in 40 some years on this planet I have never encountered a situation where I needed a CCW. Statistically speaking, I am unlikely to do so unless I decide to become involved in the crack cocaine trade. I still plan to get a CCW permit just to be prepared for that statistic anamoly, but frankly this rabid fanaticism so many people have against .380s strikes me as foolish, another example of American's compulsive obsession with bigger is better. My wife thinks this is directly related to the fact that many American men suffering from a tragic congenital deformity best not discussed in polite company, but I tell her this is an unfair observation.;)

Marshall
March 28, 2004, 11:27 AM
My wife thinks this is directly related to the fact that many American men suffering from a tragic congenital deformity best not discussed in polite company, but I tell her this is an unfair observation.


I agree with your wife! The tragic congenital deformity we American men have is a real problem. Married women follow us around begging. You can tell too, it seems it's a subject the wives bring up in conversation. We also can't urinate off a bridge without feeling the cold water or the rough bottom. We have to buy a holster for it too. Talk about a leg iron!

:neener:

alwims
March 28, 2004, 11:59 AM
Married women follow us around begging. You can tell too, it seems it's a subject the wives bring up in conversation. We also can't urinate off a bridge without feeling the cold water or the rough bottom. We have to buy a holster for it too. Talk about a leg iron!
I'm soooo confused :confused: :confused: :confused:

Lobotomy Boy
March 28, 2004, 12:02 PM
I wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole.

wally
March 28, 2004, 12:07 PM
There are plenty of 9mm and .40 S&W pistols in the size and weight range of the Bersa. That's why its hard to be impressed with any .380.

The Kel-Tec P3AT is impressively small and light, to have even .380 power in this size package is pretty impressive. I think the Kahr PM40 or PM is even more impressive! But they are a bit larger and thicker, and significantly heavier -- the ammo has a lot to do with it 180 gr .40 S&W vs 102gr .380.

--wally.

Lobotomy Boy
March 28, 2004, 12:33 PM
Thanks Wally.

You are right that the Kel Tec is a more effective CCW gun, but by the same token the Glock 36 is a more effective CCW gun than the Kel Tec. If, however, you want a plinker to take to the range, then the Bersa is more effective than the Kel Tec because it is more pleasant to shoot. If, like me, you happen to appreciate the basic Walther PP design, then the Bersa is even more effective.

The point I was trying to make is that not every gun purchase is a life or death decision. Sometimes people buy guns just for the fun of shooting them. If you feel that is not the case, I would suggest that you might be taking yourself too seriously. If you feel your life depends on your choice of carry gun, get the gun you believe is most effective for CCW, whether that is a Bersa, a Kel Tec, a Glock 36, a Kimber, or a wheel gun. Then find a gun like the Bersa that tickles your willy every time you take it to the range and go shoot to your hearts content because there should be more to life than just dogged self preservation.

rbernie
March 28, 2004, 12:38 PM
It's not as if the Bersa *or* the .380 are inherently bad things. It's just that there are arguably better pocket pistols (smaller pistols of roughly equal power/capacity), better CCW pistols (pistols of the same size as the Bersa that shoot more powerful rounds), and better range guns (pistols of the same cost as the Bersa that shoot less expensive ammo).

Night Guy
March 29, 2004, 03:57 AM
They're nice guns. I talked a buddy into buying one using THR range reports. I've had a few opportunities to shoot it and can't complain. I do find the blowback .380 a bit more unpleasant to shoot than my own PM9. I'm not in any hurry to buy one, though. It's just one of those inexpensive novelties that just happens to be a superior product. I'll probably stick to 9x19 though because it's cheaper to practice with.

wally
March 29, 2004, 07:07 AM
Lobotomy Boy,

I've already said its inevitable I'll pick up a Bersa eventually simply because its a fun little gun, of high quality at a great price.


rbernie,

What range gun is better, cheaper to practice with, and costs about the same a the Bersa .380?

Its not the Mak, two out of three ain't bad, but 9x18 ammo usually costs the same or more than .380ACP and your choices are more limited, 9mm Mak brass for reloading is rather scarce, 380 brass is pretty easy to find.

--wally.

David4516
March 29, 2004, 01:59 PM
Its not the Mak, two out of three ain't bad, but 9x18 ammo usually costs the same or more than .380ACP and your choices are more limited, 9mm Mak brass for reloading is rather scarce, 380 brass is pretty easy to find.

I have to dis-agree on that one...

You can buy 9mm Mak JHPs suitable for self defense for cheaper than you can buy .380 FMJs:

9mm Makarov (http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/202028)

.380 ACP (http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/483646)

As for the brass, well you are less likely to find it just lying around, but it's still not difficult to find. I buy it at the gunshows all the time, and it's CHEAP. You can also order brand new 9mm Mak brass online...

And then there is the fact that 9mm Mak hits harder than .380 ACP...

ChickenHawk
March 29, 2004, 02:08 PM
Intersting how many have voted 'POS' but there are very few negative comments here.

I have to imagine these are mostly comments on the .380ACP as a caliber. Perhaps the poll should have been worded to ward off such votes. I'd be more interested to know who doesn't like the Bersa Thunder itself, and for what reason.

Personally, I think it's a fine gun at a great price.

Cheers,
ChickenHawk

CZ52GUY
March 29, 2004, 04:23 PM
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/MakarovBersa.htm

A good piece by one of our moderators discussing the Bersa in comparison to the Mak'. As usual, a fine piece worthy of reading.

Best wishes and safe shooting,

CZ52'

cratz2
March 29, 2004, 06:10 PM
Decent guns... a good choice for someone wanting a decent (not teeny tiny) gun that shoots something less powerful than a full 9mm...

Having said that, in the United States, I see a lot of reasons to just go ahead and go for the full 9mm... And as small as the P3AT is, if I want something smaller than a Kahr, I'd personally go for the P3AT. Guess if weren't concerned about size, and you weren't concerned with having the biggest bang for the size of pistol and you wanted a 380 for ballistics testing and you wanted a larger barrel than the P3AT...

Anyway, I have nothing against them at all and I've recommended them a couple times, but I don't have a pressing need for one and I'm not likely to buy one any time soon.

jval
March 29, 2004, 06:19 PM
To the guy at the top of this thread.

Don't read the thread if you don't like/agree with the discussion topic. No need to slam someone else's interest just because it's not a big 1911.

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