Wsf with 124 grain 9mm


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Robbins290
November 14, 2013, 07:40 PM
Any body have a good load recipe for wsf in 9mm for 124 grain bullets. The bullets are berrys preferred. Looking for a hotter load. I was using 5.6 grains behind the 115 grain pills. But my book does not have wsf for 124 pills. And ideas?

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Blue68f100
November 14, 2013, 07:56 PM
I use 4.8 - 5.0 gr of WSF behind the Berry's 124gr RN. The 4.8 is border line on ejection with a new RS in my 229. But after several 100 rounds it works fine. 5.0 is max and is not as accurate as the 4.8 gr.

Robbins290
November 14, 2013, 08:51 PM
So pretty much i cant load it with my dipper kit. Goes from 2.0, 3.2 and 5.9 grains for wsf. I think its time to look for a new measurer

LeftyTSGC
November 14, 2013, 09:17 PM
This is what the Hodgdon online site shows for WSF
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124 GR. FMJ Winchester WSF .355" 1.169" 4.7 1015 27,700 PSI 5.3 1115 32,700 PSI

124 GR. LEAD RN Winchester WSF .355" 1.169" 4.0 945 22,200 PSI 4.7 1055 27,300 PSI

You should be able to derive a load from this data. Start Low and build up.:D

Robbins290
November 15, 2013, 04:49 AM
Thanks lefty and blue. I think i will sad the 124 pills for a different powder. Im handicapped with a lee dipper kit

KansasSasquatch
November 15, 2013, 08:03 AM
You could make your own dipper to get by with. Just take a piece of brass (with a spent primer in place) and cut/file it down to the length needed to get you desired charge. Then you can either solder a handle onto it or just wrap some stiff wire around the extractor groove on the casing. I made one recently to measure out 800-X which meters terribly through a powder measure. It works great. There's a few threads on here with pictures to get a better idea.

Robbins290
November 16, 2013, 05:13 AM
Thats a darn good idea Kansas.

Robbins290
November 16, 2013, 07:03 AM
Will have to figure out a way to find the charge i need

KansasSasquatch
November 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
Will have to figure out a way to find the charge i need
I would use the data that Lefty posted from Hodgdon's website. Specifically the jacketed data. Start at the 4.7gr min. I've loaded plenty of plated bullets in various calibers using jacketed data, and in my experience I always find a good accurate load right in the middle of the data. I'd bet 4.9-5.1gr will be your sweet spot. Just dipper and trickle charges and make 10 rounds of each charge going in .1gr increments from 4.7gr to 5.3. I'd shoot 5 of each to see what cycles the slide and gives ejection similar to factory ammo. Then take the other sets of 5 and test for some kind of accuracy.

To make your dipper it may be handy to use a piece of .380 brass as it'll require less trimming/filing than a piece of 9mm brass. It just takes some guess work and trial and error to find how much you need to trim off of casing. Just be consistent in your dippering technique.

Robbins290
November 16, 2013, 10:23 AM
Thanks Kansas.

RealGun
November 16, 2013, 11:29 AM
Get a Hornady trickler to top off you closest dipper measure. Use the scales.

warhwkbb
November 16, 2013, 03:49 PM
Berry's 124g rn over4.5g of WSF is a nice soft yet accurate load for my P38. It might not cycle newer 9mm's though. It is the bare minimum that will cycle my Kahr PM9

rodregier
November 16, 2013, 07:34 PM
I've burnt a lot of WSF with 124g jacketed projectiles in 9mmx19.

The Hodgdon published max for 9mmx19 (which is based in the earlier Winchester published max) of 5.3g for 124g jacketed projectiles is dead-on, as is the nominal velocity. That's for standard pressure 9mmx19.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
Specify:
Pistol
9mm Luger
Bullet weight 124g
Powder WSF

It's a good powder for making IPSC "minor" power factor in 9mmx19 with a modest margin, good load density (it's *real* obvious if you double charged a case - overflow beyond the top) and clean burning.

Walkalong
November 16, 2013, 07:58 PM
Im handicapped with a lee dipper kitMake your own. File it down to exactly what you want. The sky is the limit. Cheap and easy.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=184542&d=1369685146

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=184543&d=1369685146

Robbins290
November 17, 2013, 03:32 PM
With just a dipper kit, any tips on figuring out how much to trim. No body has a scale i could use. And not planning on picking up a hornady powder measurer till after xmas

KansasSasquatch
November 17, 2013, 03:50 PM
So you're reloading without a scale? Even using dippers that's not a good idea. My advice is get a scale, even if it's a cheap one. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/712103/lee-safety-magnetic-powder-scale-100-grain-capacity http://www.midwayusa.com/product/175512/frankford-arsenal-ds-750-electronic-powder-scale-750-grain-capacity A scale is a much wiser investment than a powder measure. Even if you get a powder measure you won't know what your charge weights are without the scale.

rfwobbly
November 17, 2013, 04:02 PM
Nobody has a scale I can use.

Before you do anything else you need a scale. Best quality Ohaus-made scales (RCBS 505, Dillon Eliminators, Ohaus 505, etc) are used on EBay all the time in the $20 range. Really excellent scales like the Redding can be found for even less. And then there are the Lee scales in the $10 range.... which are far better than nothing.

Your first concern in reloading should be your safety, and the safety of those that shoot in close proximity to you. If you think about it, "safety" simply boils down to accurate physical measurements (calipers) and accurate powder weights (scales). And until you can control those 2 features you'll never be able to have any bullet placement accuracy, because in order to have bullets visit the same place on the target they need to be loaded exactly the same. Hope you can follow my logic in those statements.

So brother, let me encourage you to hunt up some sort of repeatable powder scale. Even if you have to put a free ad on the THR reloading for sale forum. So much in reloading depends upon close powder measurement.

brutus51
November 17, 2013, 05:36 PM
4.6gr. of WSF make excellent range loads in both of my CZ's.
Getting a scale is sound advice for you, your gun and the folks around you.
Not having one is courting disaster. Balance beam scales are inexpensive and more trust worthy than electronic ones.

Walkalong
November 17, 2013, 08:14 PM
Stop reloading until you have a scale. A scale is not optional.

Robbins290
November 17, 2013, 08:47 PM
Ya, i usally can find charges for the rifles. New into the pistol cartridges. I can usally find a low load for the higher capacity rounds. But its hard with a dipper kit. Going to pick up a scale tuesday. Thanks everyone for the help. When i do find a good accurate charge. I will use a trimmed shell case. That is one smart idea

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