Some "Oddball" Mark II Knives


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Nighteyes
November 19, 2013, 12:56 PM
Folks,

We have spoken a lot about "Ka-Bar" (real designation/name Mark II) knives. I collect knives, primarily US military edged implements from just before WWII through Vietnam - perhaps a bit later. Within that, I also collect "oddballs" because, for some reason, they fascinate me. Some of them are excellent while others are merely odd. Anyhoo, I thought y'all might like to see some of my oddball Mark IIs. Here they are.

The first one isn't an oddball so much as a rarity: a first-production-run USN Camillus Mark II, the one with the "screw-pommel." They're rare because Camillus discovered the design was flawed and issued a recall. They retrieved most, but not all, of them. This one is even more rare because its near-mint and came with its original, also near-mint, sheath. The third picture shows why this version is called a "screw-pommel". The fourth pic shows the one I actually carried & used in the mid-to-late 1960s, before I knew better. (P-s-s-t! Its the one on the right! Heh-heh-heh!):

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http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/OriginalCamillus2.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/danielnighteyes/media/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/OriginalCamillus2.jpg.html)
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/OriginalCamillus3.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/danielnighteyes/media/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/OriginalCamillus3.jpg.html)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/TwoGoodFriends.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/danielnighteyes/media/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/TwoGoodFriends.jpg.html)

Next is a World War II USMC Mark II by Case Cutlery. There's only one problem -- other than for two unbelievably valuable prototypes Case didn't make WWII Mark II knives! This is a surprisingly well-done fake. (The actual knife is probably a Camillus.) A word to the wise, and all that:



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The next one requires a bit of upfront explanation. For a short time during the Vietnam era, Mark II knives were made by Conetta. For some reason Conetta Mark IIs have become very hard to find, which causes them to bring a premium.

Conetta went out of business, and a company called SARCO bought all of their equipment and inventory. Among said inventory was a large number of Conetta-marked Mark II blades. No fools they, SARCO began assembling and selling knives from the old Conetta inventory. The most (in)famous of them is an M7-type bayonet, with either a leather or a plastic handle, that used the Conetta-marked Mark II blade. Less-knowledgeable or -scrupulous people quickly began calling them "prototypes" and selling them for hefty prices.

Here is a considerably less-known "Mark II" that SARCO assembled out of leftover Conetta parts. This knife even came in an oxblood-colored sheath (a Conetta Mark II "trademark"). Notice that the handle, though made of compressed leather rings, has no grooves.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/MarkIIConetta1_zps1bba5a98.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/danielnighteyes/media/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/MarkIIConetta1_zps1bba5a98.jpg.html)

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The next "oddball" is a SOG-style knife that was carefully and skillfully made from a Camillus Mark II. The pics tell the story:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/CamillusMarkIISOG-1_zps3462e4eb.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/danielnighteyes/media/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/CamillusMarkIISOG-1_zps3462e4eb.jpg.html)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/CamillusMarkIISOG-2_zps41eacc05.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/danielnighteyes/media/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/CamillusMarkIISOG-2_zps41eacc05.jpg.html)

Last but by no means least is my absolute-of-all-time-favorite "oddball Mark II" (for a whole danged lot of reasons). It is not actually a Mark II, but an excellent presentation-quality knife crafted from the Mark II design. Its from mes amis the Third Infantry Regiment of the French Foreign Legion:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/MarkIIFFL01_zpsdfac5686.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/danielnighteyes/media/Glenns%20Knives/Military%20Mark%20II%20Knives/MarkIIFFL01_zpsdfac5686.jpg.html)

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Nighteyes
November 19, 2013, 01:11 PM
PS:

I also have a pair of the mysterious "Sans Souci" Mark IIs, but cannot get the pics of the markings to come out right. As always they're bright-bladed and smooth-handled. For those who know the Sans Soucis, one has the oval logo and the other has the diamond logo.

hso
November 19, 2013, 03:29 PM
Very nice presentation!

Thanks

Fred Fuller
November 20, 2013, 11:59 AM
Interesting collection - thanks for the pictures.

Outlaw Man
November 20, 2013, 04:55 PM
Very cool. Thanks for sharing.

Gordon
November 20, 2013, 05:00 PM
Thanks for the education!

alsask
November 20, 2013, 10:25 PM
The Mark II re-worked to resemble a SOG is very interesting. Is there a story behind it?

Nighteyes
November 21, 2013, 04:50 PM
The Mark II re-worked to resemble a SOG is very interesting. Is there a story behind it?
I thought so too. If there is a story behind it (and I can't imagine there isn't), I don't know it.

Nighteyes
November 21, 2013, 05:11 PM
Thanks for the education!
Gordon,

I just wanted to tell you how much I LOVE your "Two 1911's" thingy. I know the original song, and I know the 1911's. Well done, mi amigo!

Deltaboy
November 25, 2013, 10:47 PM
Cool beans and a great collection. Thanks for sharing.

rcmodel
November 25, 2013, 10:57 PM
The Mark II re-worked to resemble a SOG is very interesting. Is there a story behind it?Looks a lot like something some bored Seabee, or Machinist's Mate on a ship, or indiginant during Vietnam might have done to sell or trade to the USGI SOG Wannabees that didn't know any better!

rc

Nighteyes
November 26, 2013, 10:17 AM
Looks a lot like something some bored Seabee, or Machinist's Mate on a ship, or indiginant during Vietnam might have done to sell or trade to the USGI SOG Wannabees that didn't know any better!

rc

That was kinda my thought as well. ;) Still, it is an interesting knife and a job well done.

bannockburn
November 27, 2013, 11:31 AM
Nighteyes

Great presentation of Mark II knives! Especially liked the Mark II style French Foreign Legion version. Looks to be very well made and would make for an interesting addition to any military knife collection. Thanks for sharing.

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