Good 9mm


March 27, 2004, 03:48 PM
Looking at the H&K USP9, Sig 226, and Glock 17 for use at the range. I already have ccw gun. Which do I go with

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March 27, 2004, 04:02 PM
I have a Sig 226 and a Glock 26. The 26 will be my CCW, but the 9 mm I keep returning to is the Browning Hi-Power. The Sig has become a safe queen.


March 27, 2004, 04:13 PM
if you want reliability, the hk p7 is reliable and accurate...but there are alot of good 9mm's out there. the sig and glock are good reliable guns as is the walther p-99. good luck finding your gun.:uhoh:

March 27, 2004, 04:31 PM
Of those listed, I'd personally go with the SIG 226.

Ala Dan
March 27, 2004, 04:40 PM
My personal preference would be the SIG P226; but
there is not a bad one listed in your choices! Also, it
is worthy of note that the SA Browning Hi-Power is a
strong candidate for range work; or self defense.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

March 27, 2004, 04:47 PM
Of the guns you listed, I prefer the USP9. I like the way the USP feels & shoots plus the controls are ergonomically placed for my hands.
Bottom line, get the one that fits & works best for you ;)

March 27, 2004, 05:52 PM
whats your ccw gun?
maybe get a glock 19, could double as both range & ccw.

March 27, 2004, 06:01 PM
I'm a bit biased but this is what I would pick in your situation. :D


March 27, 2004, 06:06 PM
I'll third the motion for a Browning Hi Power, so sweet.

March 27, 2004, 06:34 PM
I'd go with a Glock 17 or a CZ. Sigs are nice but super expensive -- especially when you consider either the Glock or CZ would be equally as good for much less money.

Brass Balls
March 27, 2004, 06:43 PM
Those are all nice firearms. Of what you listed I'd lean towards the P226. I like the Glock 34 for range use more than the G17, fwiw.

Here's a terrific 9mm range gun that you didn't mention. It is wonderfully accurate.

S&W Performance Center 952-1 9mm Target Gun

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March 27, 2004, 08:14 PM
I like the hell out of my new Springfield Armory XD-9.

March 27, 2004, 11:25 PM
I rather like my Baby Eagle. (Actually my wifes!!)

Built on the premise of a classic, solid steel construction, dead accurate, I sure like my .45's, but for just a range 9mm, this one would be hard to beat. I had an XD-9, but by far prefer the Baby Eagle.

March 28, 2004, 12:18 AM

March 28, 2004, 09:53 AM
I second the XD9. One of the best guns for your money out there. I got my bi-tone XD9 for $415 shipped from Bachman Pawn in Texas to my FFL.


March 28, 2004, 10:20 AM
What is your CCW gun? If you are just looking for a gun to take to the range I would go with the same type of gun that you are carring. If you already have a range gun of the same type as your CCW I would go with the H&K. However if you really want a great target gun get the H&K USP Tactical.

March 28, 2004, 10:37 AM
You're looking at great guns, but if you want to save some money take a look at the CZ75B and Taurus PT92/99 as well.

I might suggest you go with the one that matches the trigger action on your CCW weapon -- unless its a revolver. The Taurus has the virtue of having both a cocked'n'locked safety and hammer dropper so you can compare 1911 style SA vs SIG style DA/SA The CZ can also be used both ways but you have to manually drop the hammer to half cock -- this bothers some people, but I'm a cocked'n'locked kind of guy.


Mr. Mysterious
March 28, 2004, 10:51 AM

March 28, 2004, 11:10 AM
CCW Glock so I think I will go with the G19 or G17

March 28, 2004, 11:12 AM
Concur on the XD. Great ergonomics and a great trigger. All for a really nice price and backed by an established American company.

March 28, 2004, 11:40 AM
Concur on the XD. Great ergonomics and a great trigger. All for a really nice price and backed by an established American company.

Well said! Ditto.

March 28, 2004, 12:35 PM
I'm going with clipse's recommendation. The CZ P-01 ia a range/ccw winner. We need to start a fanclub, clipse.

March 28, 2004, 12:41 PM
Don't let other people choose your guns for you. You have to get what looks and feels best for you. And try shooting them if possible.
Buying a gun is all about personal preference, and what I like might not be a good choice for you. That said, I am lusting after a Browning High Power.:D

March 28, 2004, 01:06 PM
Since his CCW is a Glock, I concur that a Glock should be the range gun also, until he gets into the collecting phase and just wants 'em *because* they are different.

I don't like Glocks but I have two, that's how I know I don't like them and why I don't have any more. Its the trigger -- love it or hate it, I hate the Glock trigger YMMV.

OTOH if he shoots a good SA cocked'n'locked he may decide he needs to carry something other than the Glock!


March 29, 2004, 06:32 PM
Call me old fashioned, but for a dedicated range gun (which is what you insinuate this will be) I would stick with a all steel gun and the CZ75B SA would be at the very, very top of my list. Good news is, it should be cheaper than any of the guns on your list assuming they're all brand new.

Of those you list, I don't personally love the HKs. Between the Glock and the SIG, either should make a fine range gun as long as you shoot new copper clad ammo.

March 29, 2004, 08:04 PM
I have a CZ 75BD, and I've found it to be an outstanding pistol. Accurate, reliable, well made, great ergos, no KB problems (handles high pressure with ease) like associated with *some* plastic pistols, and at a unbeatable price none can match. Take a hard look at the CZ 75, CZ 85 Combat (for IDPA or IPSC), or the new CZ P-01.

March 29, 2004, 08:31 PM
Dittos on the S&W Performance Center 952 9mm. It is a real pleasure to take it out to the range. I also have a P226, it's a fine 9mm but the 952 is a cut above for use at the range. It is also more expensive. The 952 is tight and smooth with outstanding trigger and very little recoil.

With my older eyes I find the sights on the P226 easier to see. I'm going to see about having a gunsmith put dots on the sights of my 952.


Brass Balls
March 29, 2004, 08:59 PM
Rich you might want to try the quick and easy method first. I used one of these for the front sight and it worked really well. It's a white out pen.

Brass Balls
March 29, 2004, 09:00 PM
Also I recall reading, I think on this forum, about someone who had good success using jig paint for fishing lures.

March 29, 2004, 09:15 PM
Thanks, Brass!


March 29, 2004, 09:18 PM
Another vote for the P226.

March 30, 2004, 01:46 AM
Out of your choices, you've got three different trigger designs/feels. You have a choice of DA/SA, DAO, or Striker. See which one fits your hands the best and which one you shoot the best. All three are very reliable guns. It really doesn't matter which ones we prefer. Cost wise, the Glock will be the cheapest. High cap magazines are probably cheaper for the Glock as well. There are a lot of aftermarket parts for the Glock, should you choose to mess with it (it doesn't really need anything). I haven't looked into the aftermarket of the Sig or H&K, so I have no comment there.

Black Majik
March 30, 2004, 02:44 AM
Sig P226. Out of the three, the Sig (to me) has the best trigger. Trigger is very important in a range gun. :)

March 30, 2004, 09:20 AM

All 3 have something that shines uniquely for each of them. In some cases some of those attributes can be combined. For starters, see which one fits your hand best. Then it comes down to trigger and features.

The Glock has its own unique trigger operation using their "safe action", basically a relatively light double action pull with a short reset. Some folks don't like how the Glock sits in the hand though. I was one of these folks and had a Glock 22 with the finger grooves ( which I can't stand) and eventually sold it. Now I have a 2nd gen (without the finger grooves) Glock 19 and absolutely love the gun. I find the Glock trigger works really well for fast combat/action type shooting, but find it tough to squeeze tiny groups out of it. I also think that if I shot this gun and this gun alone for awhile, I would start to realize it's accuracy potential. Plus there are a ton of G17 used mags out there that aren't that expensive for pre-bans.

The Sig has one of the best DA/SA combos going, and is also a very accurate handgun as well. Ergonomics are well thought out and the gun just shoots so well it's boring. If this gun is just going to be a range shooter to get tiny groups, for me the Sig 226 and the USP shine here. I have a mid 90's one with the folded sheet metal slide and it's one of my favorites. If you look at CDNN, SOG, or KY Imports, I believe they examples of these pistols as used police trade ins for under $400.00. These places also have used hi-caps for around $40.00. By the way, this is my wifes bedside gun.

The USP is one of my favorites. I have the USP45F and it is my bedside gun. Would very very much like to get the 9mm variant. This gun has it all. It has outstanding accuracy, like the Sig, but also has cocked and locked capability. The mag release is an issue for some folks, personally, I find it is my favorite release style. The USP 9mm was designed from the USP40, so the 9mm is built like a tank....extremely robust. Also, HK has their LEM trigger out. The LEM trigger has a Glock type feel to it, in that it's a very light double action type trigger with a short reset. It can be had in weights as low as 4.5 lbs. Pre ban mags for this gun are usually more expensive than the Sig or Glock.

So, in answer to your question, I would take the USP9 with the 4.5lb LEM trigger.

Hope this helps.

March 30, 2004, 09:36 AM
of the guns you have listed id go with the sig or the g17 it would depend on how good i deal i would be getting on which gun i would choose:cool:

March 30, 2004, 09:46 AM
The CZ and the Springfield XD should beat a Glock on price easily, unless the Glock is used.

Ergonomics are important. Handle each of the guns discussed here and choose the one that feels the best and has the features you want. Any of them should serve you well.

March 30, 2004, 03:34 PM
It took awhile but once I got used to the Glock trigger I shoot my G17 virtually as well as my P226.


March 30, 2004, 03:59 PM
Looking at where the contracts for service guns are going these days for the really tough, discriminating customers, looks like SIG, Glock, HK and Walther are the creme de le creme.

Unless ya are in the good ole USofA, then it's still the 1911 in 45 ACP. ;)

March 30, 2004, 07:46 PM
Cannot see spending the extra $ on the Sig or HK so it will be the G17, G19 or both in time. Thanks

March 30, 2004, 08:51 PM
I strongly prefer the Browning HP . . . but out of the pistols you list, I'd go with the Glock 17. 9mm Glocks seem to be almost indestructable, and, alone of the three you list, the Glock seems to point better than the others, that is, when I check the sights, the gun "feels" like it's pointing where the sights align. In MY hand, the Sig and HK don't feel like they're shooting anywhere close to where the sights are.

March 31, 2004, 12:16 AM
If the budget allows (which yours seems to) then I would go with the H&K USP9. I do not own one, but I have shot a friend's and it will indeed be my next purchase.

March 31, 2004, 12:27 AM
With your comment on the Glock 17 vs 19, my choice was made easily enough just by feel. Then again, *ducking* I walked in knowing that I wanted a 9mm glock that wasn't subcompact. That only left me those two choices, and the one where the bottom of my hand didn't drop below the bottom of the receiver was the one I picked.

Like gggman said, "Don't let other people choose your guns for you. You have to get what looks and feels best for you. And try shooting them if possible. Buying a gun is all about personal preference, and what I like might not be a good choice for you."

That being said, I still like my G17. Despite not even getting to put a round through it yet. Ranges and times to shoot are hard to come by, what with full time work and full time college.


Black Snowman
March 31, 2004, 01:08 PM
For an all-round 9mm I just picked up a CZ 85B used and love it do death. Of the ones you posted. I'd say the SIG would be my choice for a range gun.

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