Suppressor industry has been taking off like a friggin' rocket!


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CoRoMo
November 20, 2013, 09:58 AM
I've been meaning to open up a discussion here of how fast the silencer industry seems to be expanding these days. It is fully racing at break-neck speed into the mainstream.

Have you guys been hearing the SilencerShop.com radio commercial in your area? I've been hearing it around here for many months now. Here is a (ridiculous) article about it...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/26/1241481/-Rush-Limbaugh-Now-Pimping-Gun-Silencers-for-the-Children

Here's the commercial itself if you haven't heard it before. It does not only play during prime programming. It is playing throughout the day when the little boring local programming is on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d267KeyGL_0

But in addition to mainstream advertising, you all have seen companies popping up every single day with their own line of suppressors. Sig Sauer jumped in this year... who's next? Remington? Ruger? S&W? Springfield?

This industry has been taking off for a while now, but it seems these days it is really gaining some impressive speed! Obviously demand is driving this thing, and the fact that the $200 for a tax stamp is often less than a day's wages makes the demand possible.

The radio ads surprised me when I first began to hear them. The ever growing list of manufacturers and popular gun companies like Sig getting into the mix also widened my eyes. Soon every county in every state in the nation will have a local lawyer or firm promoting NFA trusts.

What else have you guys noticed that has brought you a bit of gleeful surprise?

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MErl
November 20, 2013, 01:11 PM
I expect NFA trusts to die a quick death very soon. The only positive they will have will be co-ownership.

With the current 15 month turnaround there will be a limit on growth. At some point the wait just becomes too long. The more popular they become the longer the wait, negative feedback.

I like seeing them get positive mainstream attention (the commercial) but am not too hopeful in the long term.

kimberkid
November 20, 2013, 01:26 PM
I expect NFA trusts to die a quick death very soon. The only positive they will have will be co-ownership.

With the current 15 month turnaround there will be a limit on growth. At some point the wait just becomes too long. The more popular they become the longer the wait, negative feedback.

I like seeing them get positive mainstream attention but am not too hopeful in the long term.
Ditto ...

I bought 3 suppressors last January but only one was in stock, when I checked on my form 4 in May they said I should have it late June/early July. When I checked on it in September they said December.

The other 2 forms I sent in, one in May and the other in August ... I have no idea when to expect them.

Why they can't bundle all 3 together and approve them all at once I don't understand, it would reduce doing the same work by 2/3 and open up "time" ... I'm sure I'm not the only one with multipal forms pending.

IdahoSkies
November 20, 2013, 01:28 PM
I think the industry has done a good job of PR in bringing in the hunting base. Despite the Daily Kos statement, they are really useful tool for ear protection for a hunter. That's one of the reasons they are even suggested for use in Europe.

Its good PR and the since backs it up. But agreed the wait time and paperwork hassle does a lot to keep only those truly interested interested.

highorder
November 20, 2013, 08:20 PM
The truth of the matter is there is no legitimate purpose for marketing a device which has no hunting or sporting use, which can be used to quietly kill humans and allows the shooter to slip away before anyone knows they were there. The suppressor market is a manifestation of our nation's pornographic obsession with firearms and related accessories

If the author said it, it must be true?...

wow. I love a good hit piece.

justice06rr
November 20, 2013, 09:21 PM
I don't feel the NFA/Suppressor is booming that much, at least not in my area. My LGS has quite a few suppressors in display (at least a dozen when I was there last week) and I don't see them getting snatched up like hot cakes. I've never even seen the commercials and I watch a lot of tv.

Maybe this is just a regional thing? Because its not a big demand in my area at all.

Yes I want one, but cannot justify the cost at this point.

CoRoMo
November 21, 2013, 12:58 PM
I don't feel the NFA/Suppressor is booming that much, at least not in my area. My LGS has quite a few suppressors...
If there weren't a market, and a healthy one, he would never hold the SOT.

And that's the other thing... nine out of ten gun shops around here also have the C3 SOT. Well maybe it's more like eight out of ten shops; the nationwide warehouse. What surprised me was that we went from one, lone C3 dealer just a very few years ago to today where just about every gun shop has a case of cans and can do transfers. I was especially amazed to find out that one of the ol' time gun shop here wend class III. I would bet that 100% of all the new start-ups in recent years have been C3 dealers. I wonder how long before one of the places like Gander, Sportsman's, Cabela's, Bass Pro, etc. takes that step.

I remember when you couldn't come up with the names of enough suppressor manufacturers to fill two hands. Now there are new companies out there everyday and I've long lost count.

I also remember the days when a guy shooting at the club with a can was extraordinary and would draw everyone's attention over to check it all out. Today when I go shooting, there can be a handful of us with suppressors and nobody else is particularly enthused. Of course, this isn't what I'm talking about in the OP, but man, times have changed.

But yeah, the process itself has been overwhelmed beyond imagination. The good part is, I think that as this industry explodes, changes in 'the process' will come to pass. I don't think we'll ever see suppressors dropped from the NFA category (or at least a heavily reformed process) without this boom. This market surge in and of itself will eventyally make it happen.

Arizona_Mike
November 21, 2013, 02:31 PM
We should have a national suppressor day where for one day every year people run their cars and motorcycles with open headers until suppressor are a cash and carry item as they are in almost every other country. :D

Mike

yzguy87
November 21, 2013, 04:23 PM
^^^ Sounds like a man with a plan! Maybe you should post this in activism and see where this goes:D

Ranb
November 21, 2013, 06:14 PM
Running ads on that disgusting tub of lard's (Limbaugh) show is not a good way to promote anything in my opinion.

Ranb

Arizona_Mike
November 21, 2013, 06:28 PM
Obviously you have missed his weight loss . . .

His talk radio format is not my cup of tea but I've really enjoyed his books.

Mike

Ranb
November 21, 2013, 07:29 PM
.....until suppressor are a cash and carry item as they are in almost every other country.
As far as I know silencers are restricted in most countries.

Ranb

crazy-mp
November 21, 2013, 10:19 PM
But in addition to mainstream advertising, you all have seen companies popping up every single day with their own line of suppressors. Sig Sauer jumped in this year... who's next? Remington? Ruger? S&W? Springfield?

Remington owns a small suppressor company ever hear of AAC? I know somebody is going to have a nervous brake down because I said Remington owns AAC to be undoubtedly correct Freedom Group.

The bigger gun companies are becoming more suppressor friendly now at least. Offering models that are factory threaded or offering packages with a threaded and non threaded barrel.

Anytime a state changes its NFA laws and makes it easier for people to get items there is a influx in sales, in the next 6-12 months you will see more NFA sales to IL they have laws going into effect on SBR's.

.....until suppressor are a cash and carry item as they are in almost every other country.
Yeah all you have to do is beg your government for permission to own the gun. Then you get to store it at a "gun club," because you can't be trusted with a firearm in your home.

Arizona_Mike
November 22, 2013, 04:09 PM
As far as I know silencers are restricted in most countries.

Ranb
They are completely unregulated in Finland, Norway, and France. In Germany and many other European countries, you need the same permit you need for a normal firearm.

Mike

Ranb
November 22, 2013, 09:56 PM
America is a great place; and based on the effort made by most gun owners to ease restrictions on the insane gun laws we have it is obvious we have exactly the gun laws we deserve. Despite the la-dee-da attitude towards most gun owners have to amending our laws, compared to Europe or the rest of the world we have it fairly well. Below is a list I've been collecting (but not finished) for a while. I compiled most of it based on sources (like Wikipedia) other than that country's government website. Please let me know if I made any mistakes. Europe in bold

Lightly or unregulated

Finland (requires permit, sold otc)
Norway
France
Russia (law poorly enforced, use is common)
United Kingdom
New Zealand

Moderately regulated

Italy (legal except for hunting)
Poland (certain bans lightly enforced)
Sweden (license usually granted)
Estonia
South Africa

Heavily regulated but readily permitted

USA
Belgium

Heavily regulated and rare.

Czech Republic (special exemption needed)
Denmark (permit usually denied)
Germany (permit required, difficult to obtain)
Hong Kong (permit required)
Argentina
India
Portugal

Illegal for civilians.

Canada
Austria
Hungary (civilian possession prohibited)
Netherlands (air guns only)
Thailand (military and police only)
Pakistan (life prison sentence)
Romania (military only)
Turkey (military only)
Australia
Albania
China
Japan
Cuba
Serbia
Singapore
Croatia
Bulgaria
Cyprus

Medusa
November 25, 2013, 04:43 AM
Illegal for civilians.
/snip/
Estonia


Say what? Here they are quite lightly regulated. OK, we have the registration system that offers these registration categories for firearms - self defence, sport, hunting and work (security companies etc). My guns are registered as self defence and sporting.

For the guns that are registered as sport you can buy the suppressor, cash&carry, you just have to show that you have a permit for that kind of a gun. IE it would be difficult to buy a .223 suppressor if you have a .308 rifle, but if you would like to buy a 30 cal suppressor, then just show the license, pay and go home with it. There is work going on to be able to hunt with suppressor, not because of any poacher or assassination attempt, but to reduce noise pollution. I am not a hunter, so I do not know if it has passed already or is still work in progress.

It was some time ago a special permit item, or more exactly you had to ask the police chief, but now it is easier, just go and buy, if you can. True, it was considered as something only the criminals would use, but these ideas are dying and common sense is kicking in. It is easier to shoot, if the noise is down, since plenty of the firing ranges are in populated areas. And as far as I know there has not been any instance of shooting someone with suppressed weapon by law abiding citizen gone rampant. Criminals, yes, but these do not care for the law anyway.

Hacker15E
November 25, 2013, 06:23 AM
Lefties tried to pile suppressors into the AWB bandwagon last year and, fortunately, received no traction.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/30/silencers_the_nras_latest_big_lie/

Obviously these morons have any idea that the reason suppressors were in the NFA 1934 was because of poaching during the Great Depression, and not because of why they think.

Odd Job
November 25, 2013, 07:02 AM
In the UK, the attitude of the police and the gun clubs is now very much pro-suppressor. They are very easy to get, once you have already satisfied the requirements to purchase the firearm (in other words you already have a section 1 firearms certificate). The suppressor (or sound moderator, as they are called here) then becomes a firearm in its own right, on that certificate.
When I applied for a modification of my firearms certificate to allow me to purchase a suppressor, I had to pay a 26 administration fee and I waited 4 days for approval.
On the 4th day the police called me to say I had applied for one moderator when I had authority to possess 3 rifles in that calibre - did I not want three moderators? It's the same admin fee, so I said why not.
At the gun club one of the committee members is also a firearms dealer. I asked him what moderators he had and he showed me a shoe box full of moderators (mostly Parker Hale) starting from 23 and going up to about 100. Sadly they were all 1/2 x 20 threaded and I needed 1/2 x 28 so in the end I bought an ASE Utra from Jackson Rifles for 80.

They are not quite an over the counter item, but really they are the easiest registered items to get, as the focus is on health and safety and reducing noise in residential areas.

Ranb
November 25, 2013, 09:02 AM
Say what? Here they are quite lightly regulated.
Thanks for the info. I updated my list.

Ranb

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