H&R revolvers... more confusing than you'd think.


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Dr.Rob
November 21, 2013, 12:09 AM
First off, Flayderman's, The Standard Catalog and Blue Book are severely lacking in information on the myriad of models H&R produced between 1871 and WW2 as the company reorganized several times.

William Goforth was putting together a definitive guide: http://www.gunshowbooks.com/cgi-bin/webc.exe/st_prod.html?p_prodid=HandRBook&sid=KV4x@IAp but as he passed away before it was published the book seems to be permanently 'on hold'.

I have since discovered by pouring over a number of sources that an 'unnamed Belgian bulldog' is in fact, an H&R revolver though its not marked H&R anywhere. The style of the base pin release was my only clue to look this up as an H&R. It's almost certainly made for black powder cartridges. No serial numbers anywhere. Made 1883-1940, but since the company re-organized in 1888, and the name was then printed on the barrel. So I think I have a 1883-88 window on this one. It's a 32.

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Dr.Rob
November 21, 2013, 12:35 AM
This one is a 1904 model in .38 S&W , and locks up tight. I don't doubt this one could shoot, though I have no desire to fire it.

Unlike the previous model this has a serial number and some other details that could 'date' it--though again this model was made in vast numbers.

I doubt either one has much value but they are neat old pieces and examples of real firearms people owned and carried in the late 19th and early 20th century.

Dr.Rob
November 21, 2013, 12:40 AM
H&R didn't make many changes to these old guns over the years. Viewed side by side they are almost identical... though the older gun is a six shot. According to one source the 1904 was renamed the MODEL 4 in 1905, which if true would certainly pin down the date on this one.

Jim K
November 24, 2013, 10:23 PM
"The American Double Action" is a well known H&R gun. I have never seen it described as either "unknown" or "Belgian".

Likewise the Model 1904.

But you are correct in that H&R information is scanty and often incorrect. I had been looking forward to that book, and still hope that someone can pick up on it and get it ready for publication.

Jim

LAGS
December 6, 2013, 12:47 AM
That looks just like my American, and it too had no markings on the barrel.
But my Young American did.
The H&R revolvers are not similar to the Belgian Bulldog, they are different in many ways.
I have that one Belgian, British Bulldog in .34 cal.

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