22wmr or 25acp ?


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foxchase
November 21, 2013, 06:57 PM
After many range trips I have depleted my supply of 9mm, .380 and 45acp . I have nothing left for my carry weapons. Now it is the time of year that my wife has taken control of the finances for the upcoming Christmas holidays so our children and grandchildren can have nice presents. I do have a good supply of .22wmr and .25acp. I have a Ruger 22magnum revolver , 6 shots.
Also have a Beretta 21 .25cal with the pop up barrel that can give me eight shots . What caliber would you carry if you had that choice ?

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fallout mike
November 21, 2013, 07:04 PM
Probably the Beretta bc of the smaller size of the gun.

jmr40
November 21, 2013, 07:06 PM
And the fact that most centerfire ammo is more dependable than rimfire. Although I'm not so sure the 22 mag might not actually be a little more potent.

mtrmn
November 21, 2013, 07:35 PM
The 22wmr is much more potent than the 25, but I assume the revolver is a Single 6 which may be hard to conceal in a proper holster. Just deciding on the rounds themselves, the 22magnum is the choice for self defense over the 25.

farm23
November 21, 2013, 07:46 PM
I carry a NAA Black Widow every day in 22wrm. It also has the 22lr cylinder. With practice it is surprising accurateaccurate.

AFDavis11
November 21, 2013, 07:55 PM
Is this a serious scenario? Sell something and get a box of .45 ACP.

Mike1234567
November 21, 2013, 08:32 PM
OT and no offense intended but why completely deplete your SD ammo to begin with? :)

rcmodel
November 21, 2013, 08:36 PM
but why completely deplete your SD ammo to begin with?And this is the winning answer so far!!

rc

bigfatdave
November 21, 2013, 09:09 PM
I assume that there's a financial or drought-related reason that the OP isn't stocked up on ammo.
I won't be a jerk and speculate/insult about it, I'm pretty sure he's learned the lesson about stocking up ahead of time.

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Actual answer - I'd carry the gun that I could carry most comfortably and/or shot best.

.22wmr (at least the quality loads) is very reliable, it isn't the mass-produced almost-unsealed helled-bullet design of .22lr, so "reliability of rimfire ammo" concerns aren't really an issue. (.22wmr is LOUD from a revolver, though)
If anything, reliability of a little bitty pocket gun would be more of a concern, that's something the OP knows best.

Either way, you'll be so far ahead of the completely unarmed drones all around you that the minor differences between .22wmr from a wheelgun and .25acp from a little stub of a barrel will be unlikely to be signifigant. Carry the gun you'd rather carry all day and don't agonize over it.

Or get together with a shooting buddy and get a few magazines' worth of carry ammo from them - if I had a friend in that jam, I'd at least hook them up with a gun-full and a reload-mag-full of mine.

Mike1234567
November 21, 2013, 09:16 PM
I intended no offense with my post... I just intended to provoke some thought. Don't shoot "all" your SD ammo at the range. :)

weblance
November 21, 2013, 09:29 PM
The 6 shot Ruger revolver in 22WMR could be an LCR

Arkansas Paul
November 21, 2013, 09:45 PM
I assume that there's a financial or drought-related reason that the OP isn't stocked up on ammo.
I won't be a jerk and speculate/insult about it, I'm pretty sure he's learned the lesson about stocking up ahead of time.

There is nothing rude about suggesting that someone not deplete all of their self defense ammo. If I shot up all my plinking loads, I think I'd save the last magazine for a "just in case" scenario.

To the question of the question at hand. If the .22 WMR is an LCR and not full size, I would go with it. If not, the Beretta would prolly be the easier to conceal of the two.

browningguy
November 21, 2013, 11:58 PM
Beretta .25 between those two.

By the way, I also have one and carry it on occasion.

sgt127
November 22, 2013, 12:18 AM
I would eat ramen for a week and buy a box of 9mm ball. If thats truly not an option, drop the .25 in your pocket, odds are, you'll be fine.

Deaf Smith
November 22, 2013, 12:19 AM
After many range trips I have depleted my supply of 9mm, .380 and 45acp . I have nothing left for my carry weapons. Now it is the time of year that my wife has taken control of the finances for the upcoming Christmas holidays so our children and grandchildren can have nice presents. I do have a good supply of .22wmr and .25acp. I have a Ruger 22magnum revolver , 6 shots.
Also have a Beretta 21 .25cal with the pop up barrel that can give me eight shots . What caliber would you carry if you had that choice ?
If I can conceal it, the .22 Magnum.

If I can only conceal the Beretta, then Beretta it is.

Deaf

slumlord44
November 22, 2013, 12:47 AM
My preference would be to dig up the money for a box of .45 or 9mm. One box of 20 should not break the bank and it is available. The .22mag to me would be the most likely to stop a threat. The .25 a lot more concealable.

foxchase
November 22, 2013, 01:23 AM
The revolver is the Ruger LCR , 2 " barrel. I just love to shoot when I go to the range and just shot everything I had in one last mad minute. Just like life there are a lot of things I should have done and a lot of things I just did. Thanks for the help I just could not eat Ramen for a week. Can't even eat it for a day !

MrMarty51
November 22, 2013, 02:12 AM
:D never been hungry then ???
It happens, cant afford to buy ammo before, and durn sure cant afford to buy ammo now either.
Only ammo I have is the box or so I was able to pick up on at a time when I could afford to. I have plenty, no worries there but I did`nt have to hurry and hoard it up as the prices was a rising either.
On a fixed income now, there is nothing left over after the bills is paid and a few groceries is bought, it is just life. A happy one at that, no time clock to have to punch, tinker on my junk out in the garage.
Injured, ca`nt work because of the drugs they give Me for the rheumatoid artritus and inflammation, its just the way it is suppose to be.
Had in 31 years with the Mt. D.O.T; was going to put in fourty but then, crap occurs. Also had My businesses all set and was working them along with the job but had to sell those off too, and so, Ramen Noodles and spam is mighty tasty stuff.:D

olderguns
November 22, 2013, 07:06 AM
I love raman and potted meat they are real money savers but on topic,
With the price 22 ammo being what it is, couldn't you trade some for 9mm or 45 , I,ve traded ammo I had for ammo I needed more than once.

bannockburn
November 22, 2013, 07:47 AM
I have just the opposite problem; no time to get to the range to burn up my ammo. Still have sufficient quantities of all my favorite calibers. Given the choice between .22WMR and .25ACP, with both guns capable of being concealed, I would go with the .22WMR revolver.

skoro
November 22, 2013, 09:09 AM
The revolver is the Ruger LCR , 2 " barrel.

Seems to me you have the answer right there.

jimbo555
November 22, 2013, 09:23 AM
I agree with Afdavis. Trade the beretta for some 45acp ammo.

fallout mike
November 22, 2013, 09:42 AM
After reading more since the opening post I would not advise him to trade a gun for ammo. Bc in 2 weeks we'll be right back here bc the lack of ammo isn't the problem. Its the result of a lack of self control. I'd work on that first. I base this from post #17.

golden
November 22, 2013, 12:16 PM
FOX,

YOU REALLY SHOULD GET YOURSELF AT LEAST 1 twenty round box of 9m.m. if that is what you shoot. I would see if a local gun shop will trade you for some of that .25ACP which is pretty expensive these days.

Barring that, which one do you shoot better. A snubby .22magnum is not much better than a high velocity .22lr from a 6 inch barrel. You loose a lot of velocity, so you will only get around 1,000 to 1,100 feet per second, maybe less.

That being said, whichever one is most likely to allow you to hit your target is the one to use.

I have shot the baby BERETTA'S and they are very reliable and easier to shoot than most of the micro pistols and will hold more rounds than a six shot revolver and be faster to reload.
It will also be MUCH EASIER TO CONCEAL than an LCR.

If your revolver has a 4 inch or longer barrel, then I would consider going with it.

Jim

BSA1
November 22, 2013, 02:24 PM
In my opinion the O.P. is incorrect in assuming that the 22 wmr is not a effective S.D. round. With the increase of women owning and carrying guns the 22 wmr has generated a lot of interest. So much in fact that major ammo companies such as Winchester and Hornady are making ammunition specially designed for short barrel handguns. The American Rifleman magazine recently published a in depth article about test results with the 22 wmr.

In response to the O.P. question the 25 acp is a well document poor stopper . It lacks enough energy for penetration and is easily defended by bones such as the rib and skull. I have personally seen several gun shots to the skull where the round simply skidded around the exterior of head just under the skin. The Doctor easily removed the bullet and the victim was sent home with just a bandaid covering the entrance and exit holes. The 25 acp has no use and should be allowed to die but I think the “cute” factor of the small handguns that chamber it keeps it alive.

On the other hand the 22 wmr is a well documented effective hunting round. It is a common choice for hunting ‘yotes. Enough folks like it as a handgun round that both gun and ammo manufacturers are producing it. So the reader is left with deciding if thousands of gunowers and the ammo companies are correct in their confidence of the 22 wmr or some posters on Internet forums.

Long story short my wife has chosen the 8 shot Taurus 22 wmr as her S.D. gun. We have enough testing on this round that I believe it will do the job when placed in the boiler room (and there is not any rules shooting only once). Select a cartridge made specially made for handguns and carry with confidence

Rangegod
November 22, 2013, 02:33 PM
OMG!

And here I am losing sleep anytime I drop below 5,000 rounds in any of my center fire calibers.

sgt127
November 22, 2013, 03:08 PM
Foxchase, you anywhere around DFW Texas? I'll give you enough ammo to load a couple mags.

Mike1234567
November 22, 2013, 03:13 PM
Foxchase, you anywhere around DFW Texas? I'll give you enough ammo to load a couple mags.
Such generosity is not often seen. But... I suggest you make the OP "promise" he saves it strictly for SD until he can buy more. :)

TennJed
November 22, 2013, 03:17 PM
The LCR

Walkalong
November 22, 2013, 03:20 PM
Since I often carry a NAA in .22 Mag, that is my vote, and I cannot imagine the .25 ACP being better than results from .22 Mag. That said, lesson learned, don't shoot up all your good ammo. :)

aarondhgraham
November 22, 2013, 04:12 PM
As I type I have a 10 shot .25 semi in my jacket pocket.

Aarond

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SCBadger
November 22, 2013, 05:06 PM
If you dont mind shooting reloads, I could part with a couple boxes of 9mm.

David4516
November 22, 2013, 06:02 PM
Tough call, but I think I'd go with the .22WMR

Normally I say that .25 is better because it's center fire vs rimfire, but the nice thing about the DA wheel gun is if one round is a dud you can just pull the trigger again.

I actually think that .25 ACP is a better round than most people give it credit for.

25 acp is a well document poor stopper

I often wonder how much of this is due to the quality of the pistol involved. I can see how a really cheap .25 pistol with an over-sized bore could result in reduced velocity and power.

I have chronographed my Beretta 950 "Jetfire" (an excellent pistol by the way) at just under 1,000 FPS (with the lighter 35gr bullets, the 50gr is a bit slower). I have a hard time believing that this would just "go around" someone's skull.

Edited to add:

I would also say that I'd use FMJ's for either round. I think FMJ makes more sense for anything smaller than a .380 ACP. For a while I would carry my .25 loaded with Hornady XTP hollow points but I've since decided that wasn't very smart and moved back to Winchester FMJs...

Would be very interesting to see some tests. This page was interesting:

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2013/03/sellier-and-bellot-25-auto-50-grain-fmj.html

But seems like the velocity should have been at least 100 FPS faster than that (based on my own limited tests and experiance with the round). Wonder if he got a bad batch of ammo or something.

Mike1234567
November 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
Isn't .25 ACP about as potent as .22LR? The .22WMR should be significantly more effective provided you either have a pistol with enough barrel length or a cartridge that is less affected by a short barrel.

foxchase
November 22, 2013, 06:45 PM
No, Pa. Thanks anyway.

jrdolall
November 22, 2013, 06:58 PM
If you live near me I will give you a box of 9mm and you can pay me whenever.

I picked up 3 boxes of Tula at Walmart last night for $10.97. It's FMJ but it will probably be better than the .25.

Confederate
November 22, 2013, 10:25 PM
Not only is the .22 mag a decent self defense round, so is the .22lr. In fact, a Ruger auto loaded with a full magazine of .22lr is about the deadliest combination a person could want. Out of the single action revolver, the .22wmr is an exceptional drawer gun. It can enter the body in the upper torso and end up in the intestines. In fact, I know a guy who was shot with a .22lr from a mile away out of a handgun and almost died from it! He said it felt like a wicked wasp sting. Luckily, someone got to him and got him to the hospital, where he came to. As for the .25acp, I've heard many people denigrate it; however, if I had a nickel for every news story I've seen where some bad guy was shot once or twice with a .25acp and ended up dead, I'd be in the money! And the Beretta is tough to beat. If it were being introduced today as a novelty gun, I think they'd be flying off the shelves.

Ammo is tough to get these days, so I wouldn't go shooting it all. You should always have enough ammo to get through a week or two of an emergency, such as a shutdown of services. I don't know how long the ammo situation is going to last, but I don't think it will be forever.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Rugers_MkII_SS_3-1.jpg (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/jriler/media/Rugers_MkII_SS_3-1.jpg.html)

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Beretta21A_950_4.jpg (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/jriler/media/Beretta21A_950_4.jpg.html)

MICHAEL T
November 22, 2013, 11:28 PM
Carry the Beretta I have no trouble packing my 950 or model 20 Beretta I everncarry the 22LR 21 A

sig228
November 23, 2013, 12:15 AM
Ruger, hands down.

25acp is a lethargic round. According to handloads.org, even the 22lr has significantly more stopping power (40% more) than the 25acp.

http://www.handloads.org/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0

DM~
November 23, 2013, 02:39 PM
I had a cop friend who was shot with a 25ACP at about 5'... He had a leather jacket on, and didn't even realize he had been shot, until his partner noticed a hole in his jacket. He looked inside, and pulled a "thin" note pad out of his shirt pocket, it had a 25 cal. bullet stuck in it!

I've shot and also experimented quite a bit with 25 factory and reloads, including cast bullets, for defence make MINE a 22WMR!!

DM

krupparms
November 23, 2013, 03:14 PM
With some of the S.D.loads for the .22MAG.that are out now. I would go with it! And you might think about reloading! It might help your ammunition situation.

Vodoun da Vinci
November 23, 2013, 09:44 PM
I'd go for the Ruger LCR in .22 mag. I think it's a better SD round than a .25 ACP and have shot and like both calibers.

I'd add that I have two Gun Buddies who are (were) ER doctors in major bad places to be ER doctors and both of them told me they have seen plenty of guys killed with .22 lr and .25 ACP.

As one other forumite here says: Accuracy is King and Penetration is Queen.

VooDoo

ms6852
November 23, 2013, 09:53 PM
Shoot the one you feel confident with, I feel comfortable with either caliber. I often carry a NAA 22 mag with the 22 lr cylnder as become. A small pistol is better than the big handgun you leave at home.

red caddy
November 24, 2013, 12:10 PM
I carry a NAA Mini in 22 MAG, daily, usually in addition to a sub compact .45 ACP. I call it my "everywhere" gun, sometimes I almost forget it"s there.

Here in SW Floriduh, we don't wear a lot of clothes, so hiding even a compact .45 can be a challenge some days. The 22 MAG easily lurks in shorts and a T shirt. The berreta, not so much.

I have put down everything from pests to injured livestock with the .22 MAG. I consider it a viable self defense weapon, close in, primarily, after after I have already screwed up and let an assailant/attacker get way too close... (I call it my "let go of my shirt, you SOB" gun)

IMHO, the .25 can kill, the .22 MAG, in a similar sized package, is better at it. Distance performance goes up as the bore get's over .30 and closer to 1/2 inch, but so does bulk.

My favorite weapon is the one I have at hand when I need it. I'm anxious if I have less than 2 full reloads in hand, for the weapon (s) I'm carrying, but that's just the way I move thru life...

If you allow your significant other to restrict or reduce your ability to protect and defend your family, (for whatever reason or purpose) perhaps you have bigger problems than a shortage of ammunition. (Just one man's opinion)

Paul

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