fort knox defender--vs???


PDA






icecold1
November 23, 2013, 04:28 PM
looking for a new gunsafe,looking at a defender 7251 with armaknox liner,outside hinges,s+g dial lock at around 6k,is this the best i can do at this price or are there other better safes(rsc's)out there.
i'm looking for the most security at this price point and size.

options???

thanks
pete

If you enjoyed reading about "fort knox defender--vs???" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
heeler
November 23, 2013, 08:25 PM
At 6k stop looking at gun safes and start looking at true tool rated safes.

icecold1
November 24, 2013, 10:38 AM
I would love something like a tl-15 but in the size I'm looking at don't see much available.
By reading the other post it looks like a amsec bf with a upgraded liner might also fit the bill.
Of course I'm open to other suggestions if they are comparable in capacity

Pete

a1abdj
November 24, 2013, 11:07 AM
I would love something like a tl-15 but in the size I'm looking at don't see much available.

Have you contacted a local safe and vault company?

icecold1
November 24, 2013, 03:51 PM
I have contacted and stopped in at my local safe company. But I'm guessing by the posts here they must not be very good as it seems they specialize in rsc containers. I guess I'll have to check out a few more places.
Thanks for the input guys.
I have around a 6 k budget and want to get the most security for my money,I am most concerned with actual entry to the safe and then fire resistance.
Would even consider 2 smaller safes to increase the time to get them open.
Will be in my finished basement bolted to the concrete floor
Pete

a1abdj
November 24, 2013, 06:31 PM
Gun safe dealers do not a safe company make.

If you want to say where you're at, I'd be happy to see if there's anybody in your area I could point you to.

rockhopper46038
November 24, 2013, 08:17 PM
I'd look around for a used TL30, if I were you. 6K should give you plenty of room to find a good sized unit and have a good safe dealer/safe technician look it over and even move it for you. Although getting a good sized TL30 into a basement might be difficult.

icecold1
November 24, 2013, 08:33 PM
A1abdj I'm in minnesota,near Minneapolis ,if you know of any reputable dealers in this area I'm all ears
Thanks

a1abdj
November 24, 2013, 09:49 PM
I know Jeff Sellers, who's about 90 miles from you. He happens to be a Fort Knox dealer, but deals with all types of other safes as well. His number is (507) 433-2787.

I'm showing a few other companies closer, but I was hoping to find somebody that actually dealt with used commercial safes. It doesn't appear that any of them do. If Jeff is too far away, you may want to call him and ask if he knows of anybody in your area that would. Not everybody in this line of work advertises or belongs to one of the professional organizations. There may be somebody out there that I'm missing.

justindo
November 26, 2013, 12:19 PM
With a $6,000 budget you should be able to get an American Security RF 6528 delivered, which is a TL-30 rated safe and a great value, in my opinion.

darton2117
December 1, 2013, 03:51 AM
wow that's like parking the weight of a full size truck on your floor with 2 1/2' x 3 1/2' footprint those who have them got some seriously sturdy floors

Captains1911
December 1, 2013, 12:41 PM
wow that's like parking the weight of a full size truck on your floor with 2 1/2' x 3 1/2' footprint those who have them got some seriously sturdy floors
Most people place them on concrete slab on grade floors, like in a basement, not on wood framed upper floor levels.

moonzapa
December 1, 2013, 01:31 PM
I've got a Cannon 24-gun safe and have had it for a few years now. A buddy of mine and gun store owner, his dad is a local Constable, told me that you are only slowing down a professional from getting your valuables in a safe. The Fort Knox is the best safe from what I have read, however, keep in mind that it's still only a safe. It will thwart the "hit and run" thief that will break in take all your easy grab valuables.

I most likely will get another Cannon or equivalent cost safe. If I had it in my budget, I would probably go with the Fort Knox, but would also second guess myself for a long time for spending so much cash. Fire rating is another factor, however, some safe makers will allow (2) sheet rocks of insulation for an additional 30 minutes of fire protection. Lot's of choices out there, make sure you do your homework before laying money down.

Good Luck!

Peter M. Eick
December 2, 2013, 09:57 AM
I would comment that I have a titan 7251 set up just like you described. I also put on the inner steel liner, the deluxe package, stainless package and heavier body frame.

It has been very nice but it is now full so I am thinking of another.

My only complaint so far is that one time I tugged the door a bit and I could not stop it in time so it dented the house when it hit the wall. Dumb of me but I will warn you not to underestimate the weight of the door.

Simson
December 2, 2013, 07:56 PM
You could certainly do a lot with a 6K budget. For one safe I'd think you could be into a decent TL rated safe verses the Fort Knox. Have you ever considered two separate safes though? You could get a pair of Amsec BF, Summit Denali or Sturdy Safes that are all higher end RSCs (probably similar to the Fort Knox in security level) but now you have split up your collection in two locations.

icecold1
December 2, 2013, 09:01 PM
Actually I have thought of 2 amsec bf safes,but was always concerned about the lack of steel in the outer walls and was unsure of the actual "fill"compound they use,not really Impressed with sturdy as they have a pretty high price after adding the fire liner.maybe if I saw one in person.but right now I'm leaning to a amsec,fort knox or maybe a graffunder
Pete

Simson
December 2, 2013, 10:14 PM
Well the Sturdy Safe fire lining does cost a lot when compared against drywall or concrete but you could always skip out on the fire lining, add more steel, then build a fire rated closet around two Sturdy safes for less than 6K. All that being said though, I would love to own a Graffunder as many of us would which would be a big step up from these others IMO.

loose noose
December 3, 2013, 11:43 AM
I would truly like to know how you plan on getting the Fort Knox down in to the basement of your home as was asked earlier?

Secondly, being a retired police detective, I vividly recall a burn bar being used to open a safe very similar to what you refer, and at least a $100,000.00in jewelry as well as several high dollar shotguns and rifles.

I realize that, the burglary to which I described was done by professionals, that had an opportunity to observe the vault in person, and also new of the alarm system set up in the home. Incidentally, they were friends (so to speak) of the victim and were apprehended.

I, myself prefer the Cannon brand of gun vault, as I currently own 2, had one burglary in the past 20 years, and needless to say all my firearms remained in tact. Only a few small replaceable items were taken.

Another thing, on the Cannon brand, if they do succeed in getting into the safe and removing the items, Cannon will replace those items, and will repair the safe, free of parts, and labor for as long as you own the safe.

No I don't have any financial interest into Cannon, but I do know they have been involved in the gun safe business since 1963 or so.

icecold1
December 3, 2013, 09:19 PM
I have no problem moving around equipment that weighs 2-3k we do it all the time at work.as for getting it in the basement it will not be a issue as my house is a walkout so I really only have a 2" lift to get it in.
This is partially why I want a really heavy duty safe that will be bolted down with 5/8 stainless quick bolts.
Although the graffinder is above my budget I'm thinking of going big and
Making the investment,I can't imagine 10 years from now the difference will really matter

a1abdj
December 4, 2013, 01:30 AM
Although the graffinder is above my budget I'm thinking of going big and
Making the investment

You can purchase a real safe, with a real burglary rating, for less than the cost of a Graffunder. If you're capable of moving the weight, I would look into going that route.

If you enjoyed reading about "fort knox defender--vs???" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!