Inertia or gas Auto shotgun


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Truman56
November 23, 2013, 09:56 PM
My son wants to upgrade to a 3 1/2 mag auto. I'm not a shotgun guy so this is new to me. His hunting friends say to get an inertia auto for reliability over a gas gun. I have a 11 87 rem and it has been flawless. Do the inertia guns have less recoil? He is looking at one of the new A5 brownings. Thanks Truman56

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ugaarguy
November 23, 2013, 10:46 PM
Gas guns have less recoil, and inertia guns typically require less adjustment to cycle a wider range of loads. I don't know what to tell you on the new A5 because it's new, so you'll probably have to wait for the early adopters to start providing meaningful feedback on it.

rcmodel
November 23, 2013, 10:51 PM
Gas guns kick far less, and IMO, are just as reliable.

I have a 1960's Browning A5 long-recoil operated shotgun.
And it kicks noticeably less then the Benelli inertia operated gun I bought to replace it.

That sucker gave me a recoil headache shooting 2 3/4" Mag turkey loads.
I sold the Benelli and kept the Browning A5!!

Was it me shooting 3.5" mags??

Go gas, or go home, with a bruised shoulder.

rc

atomd
November 23, 2013, 11:47 PM
I would much rather have a gas gun if I could only choose one.

Virginian
November 24, 2013, 05:55 AM
A gas gun will kick less if the stocks are equal. The two piece stocks do reduce recoil to the shoulder, but I hate them. A gas gun will also usually handle a wider range of ammo reliably. The designs these days have a lot of automatic adjustment built in. With the right loads, the inertia guns do run clean and are reliable as the devil, but I do not like the feel of them. I have seen a lot more than one Super Black Eagle that would not cycle lighter loads, too.
A lot of the young people have bought whole hog into the Benelli marketing strategy - tough guys, beat snakes off, yada, yada. I am not faulting them or Benelli; there is nothing wrong with their guns at all. The new Browning is not our grandaddy's Auto 5, it is an inertia design. If you want inertia and 3-1/2" capability I would recommend the Franchi Intensity. Beretta owns Benelli and Franchi and from what I have seen you get everything but the Benelli name for a lot less money. I think it looks better too, but that's just me. Only know one guy with one, but he does love it. Lots of people are raving about the Franchi Affinity which is the same basic gun in 3".

jmr40
November 24, 2013, 07:33 AM
A quality gun of either type will work equally well if kept even reasonably clean. The inertia guns might keep shooting a little longer if filthy or after being dropped in a swamp etc. They are a little easier to disassemble with fewer parts. An inertia gun is a little lighter which makes it a little easier to carry all day, but do recoil a bit harder. But certainly no worse than any other pump or double and millions use them with no complaints.

I've had 1100's, 11-87's, Mossberg 9200's, Stoeger 2000's, Beretta 390's along with most all of the various pumps and a few doubles. But several years ago found a good deal on one of the older Benelli' M-1's. This was right after the M-2's came out and a guy wanted to sell his 1 year old gun to buy the newer version.

After using it for a year I sold all of my other shotguns except for a couple of 870's and bought a 2nd M-1. These guns have proven to be more reliable over a wide range of loads than all of the others except the Beretta. The Beretta and Benelli's are the only guns that shot everything I put in them. Selling the Beretta was a difficult choice because I did like that gun, but the Benelli just fit my needs better. I'm not a real fan of the 3 1/2" SBE by Benelli though.

I'd strongly reconsider the 3 1/2" requirement. There is nothing he can't hunt with a gun that will shot 2 3/4" and 3" shells. I tried 3 1/2" shells and there is nothing I want to shoot bad enough to put up with that much recoil. I've never ran across any of the 3 1/2" guns that will 100% reliably shoot lighter shells. To me I can't see owning a gun that has the capability to shoot ammo I will use the least, while sacrificing reliability with the ammo I'll use the most.

orphanedcowboy
November 24, 2013, 09:14 AM
With the quality of ammo these days, a 3 1/2" shell is really obsolete and overpriced.

I would vote for a Franchi Affinity in 12ga myself or the Intensity if he really must have a 3 1/2" gun.

Hunterdad
November 24, 2013, 11:00 AM
I shot a a3.5" inertia benelli and it was awful. Just as much recoil as a 3.5" pump. I'd definitely go with a gas gun.

AZ Desertrat
November 24, 2013, 11:11 AM
I have the Benelli M2....recoil is fairly hard becasue it is a very light gun...but the inertia system has been flawless....never a FTE or FTF with this after a few thousand rounds.

rule303
November 24, 2013, 12:43 PM
Gas!! The inertia guns may have a slight edge with heavy loads when dirty and cold, but other than that the gas guns are my choice every time. Any of the newer designed gas autos will cycle just about any load from low recoil target to the heaviest hunting loads. The inertia action, by design just can't be that versatile. While recoil is subjective, the inertia guns seem to kick much worse than even a pump or o/u firing the same load to me. Gas guns really seem to take the edge off the recoil.

oneounceload
November 24, 2013, 05:44 PM
I have 2 Beretta A400s - one target, one field. BOTH shoot my 3/4oz 12 gauge reloads while one handles 3" the other 3/5" inch ammo. The A5 is recoil operated, not gas or inertia. The gas guns will have slightly less perceived recoil as the gas action elongates the recoil pulse, assuming both weigh the same. However, most inertia guns weigh less than a gas gun, so the actual recoil will be more

I have ZERO use for some retina-detaching, shoulder destroying 3.5" load

throdgrain
November 24, 2013, 07:12 PM
Only thing with the gas guns, they are filthy to clean after the inertia ones.

oneounceload
November 24, 2013, 08:15 PM
Not if you shoot good quality ammo

John3921
November 25, 2013, 11:12 AM
I just bought an A400 for this season. This is a gas gun with the kickoff stock. Cleaning is relatively simple. The gas system is really just one removable piston. If you need to remove the bolt and trigger assembly it's pull the bolt handle and knock out 1 pin. There are no o-rings to fool with and there are no devices or settings for various power loads.

I shot several 3-1/2" bbb's and T's yesterday. No problems with recoil or function. I was given a couple boxes of 3-1/2" by a guy that didn't like the recoil. I like the 3-1/2" steel loads for geese, flat knocks them down hard. I shot this same gun with 1 oz skeet loads for skeet league. 10 week league I had 1 failure to eject a hull when the gun was fairly new. I always loaded 2, even for singles just to break in the gun.

Kernel
November 25, 2013, 06:58 PM
If you shoot thousands of rounds playing shotgun games, then a softer shooting gas gun might have some merit. For hunting I like the Benelli inertia system just for the simplity, durability, and lower part count.

Master Blaster
November 26, 2013, 09:26 AM
I have been shooting Gas guns since 1978, Remington 1100, Beretta 391, Remington 1187, and Now a Beretta A400. I have never had a problem with reliability or durability. I mostly shoot trap with them, usually 100 shells +- in a session. My pump guns have a bit more kick. I have shot a Benelli inertia Gun a couple times and it had the kick off stock. As far as durability goes the Boy Scout Camp I help out at offers the shotgun merit badge in the summer, and they have the boys shoot 1100 and 1187's they have guns that are 20 years old and see a few thousand shells each summer. They hold up just fine.

Master Blaster
November 26, 2013, 09:29 AM
I have a 11 87 rem and it has been flawless

There you go.

If you want an inertia gun look at a Franchi Affinity 3" or Franchi Intensity Max-4 3.5" same operation as a Benelli, same design and company, half the price.

http://pics.reedssports.com/gb/6503504094061.JPG

DHart
November 27, 2013, 12:52 AM
I suggest having a good look at the Remington Versamax... reliability is great with a wide range of loads and the gun is remarkably soft shooting. The 3-gun guys who really shoot the bejeezies out of their shotguns and run them hard are finding that the Versamax is a top choice that serves them exceptionally well. I think it would also make a great hunting gun. Very pleasureable to shoot. Definitely add it to the list of considerations.

throdgrain
November 27, 2013, 06:07 PM
I shoot my 11-87 with expensive Blue Diamond cartridges http://www.gamebore.com/products/41/12g-blue-diamond and the gun is still filthy, much much more so than my old Benelli M2 with the same ammunition.

Old Unc'
November 28, 2013, 08:42 AM
having owned every auto imaginable, I'm down to two. Franchi Affinity (Benelli) in both 20 and 12 gauge. 7 year bumper to bumper warranty and cycles any shell imaginable, unlike gas guns. Almost the same gun as the Benelli M2 with the exception of the recoil spring...

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2839/10691888854_602a475f23_b.jpg

Redlg155
November 29, 2013, 07:34 AM
If I'm not mistaken, I believe Benelli went with a gas operated gun in their latest rendition of the M series.

Virginian
November 29, 2013, 09:19 AM
The Benelli M4 is gas operated because it is designed to have red dot scopes, lights, or whatever attached to it. An inertia action requires the receiver to move rapidly to the rear upon the shot to actuate the action, so adding weight is a big no-no for inertia guns to function reliably.

berettashotgun
December 9, 2013, 02:49 PM
The winchester SX2 seems like it kicks about on par with the SBE I sold, because it kicked too much.
The Extrema 1 sure shoots softer than expected, but back about 10-12 years ago bought a Gold light 10ga and haven't shot many ( any?) 12ga 3.5" shells since.
Use 2.75" on ducks and the 10ga on geese/turkeys.

Virginian
December 9, 2013, 06:22 PM
The NEW Browning A5 is an inertia action - not your grandaddy's Browning Auto 5.

cdb1
December 28, 2013, 12:58 AM
I haven't shot one but have read numerous reports that the new A5 has harsher recoil than the Benelli's. I also have a Franchi Affinity in 12 and 20 gauge and shoot them more accurately than my other shotguns. They are used for dove and quail. When shooting heavy loads I switch to a Maxus or SX3 because their recoil is much softer. I too have no use for 3.5" shells and don't own a shotgun chambered for such.

Fishbed77
December 28, 2013, 06:31 PM
I've shot my gas-operated Remington 11-87 Premiere for twenty years now, and I can not recall a single failure. It shoots soft, hits what I point at, and goes bang every time.

By comparison, my uncle's inertia-operated Benelli Black Eagle shoots no better, costs three times as much new, and can be punishing on the shoulder after a surprisingly short time.

MagnunJoe
January 7, 2014, 11:40 PM
Just wondering, is a Beretta a300 Outlander gas or inertia?

pps
January 8, 2014, 12:19 AM
The softest shooting 3 1/2" magnum shotgun I have is the SX3 Winchester. Kind of a gas-inertia combo. It's super light, but in spite of this, it's kick is very tame.

Can't tell you much about durability, as I've only had it for a few months...but it points and shoots like a dream.

Fishbed77
January 8, 2014, 12:37 AM
Just wondering, is a Beretta a300 Outlander gas or inertia?

It's a gas-operated gun.

My brother has one - it's a nice shotgun. It recoils a little harder than some other gas-operated guns like the Remington 1100 or 11-87, and it's a little less simple to operate - I'm not a fan of the tiny bolt-hold open button or the very stiff bolt release (but I am so accustomed to the Remington platforms). It's reliable though. It shoots well, and its easier to clean than the Remingtons.

mach1.3
January 8, 2014, 06:59 PM
I have shot many shotguns both inertia, recoil operated and gas guns. I own
an SX3, Browning Gold Hunter and Silver Hunter, Weatherby SA-8, Beretta 390 and a Winchester SX-1 and a M59 etc. I prefer gas guns when kept clean. I grew up in Kansas and have shot many doves, quail and pheasant with 2.75" and never shot even a 3" shotshell until the 90's. Never heard of a 3" shell then and certainly not a 3.5". Why anyone would need a 3.5" is beyond me---the recoil must be very harsh. BTW: I have shot the Browning Gold Hunter chambered in 10ga. and it's quite stout as well. My grandfather had an old 10ga. SxS with the external hammers----now that was HD HARSH on the recoil.

rbernie
January 8, 2014, 07:38 PM
Actually, I prefer long-recoil actions above all else. If I can't get that in a modern well-supported platform, I'll settle for inertial. :)

45crittergitter
January 16, 2014, 04:00 PM
I would only get a gas gun if recoil is the biggest issue. My 11-87 was utterly and completely unreliable. My inertia recoil guns are utterly reliable, lighter, and cleaner, but kick more.

hq
January 19, 2014, 07:24 AM
Having had quite a few semiauto shotguns over the years, my go-to guns for the last ten or so have been Benelli M3 and Centro Supersport. There's a slight disadvantage as far as felt recoil is concerned, but I've found these inertia guns to be utterly reliable, easy to keep clean and they pattern very well with high velocity hunting ammo.

As far as hunting shotguns are concerned, recoil doesn't seem to be a major issue because you're so concentrated in downing game that you don't really notice it, and at shotgun range you shoot light recoiling skeet/trap loads anyway.

It all boils down to personal preference. I don't mind using gas guns at all, I have a few of them as well and they just don't see as much use as they used to.

MagnunJoe
January 21, 2014, 10:10 PM
According to Beretta, the A300 outlander has less recoil and is self cleaning? So why is it filthy after I shoot her.

oneounceload
January 21, 2014, 10:47 PM
Are you shooting crappy ammo? The gas system is self-cleaning, but that does not mean you will not have to clean it now and again

IdahoSkies
January 21, 2014, 11:46 PM
+1 on gas. Unless you are in some nasty stuff. I hunted with one guy who slogged through mud to and from his blind, and then sat in it on a stool in his blind. I'll never do that a gun. But he only used the inertia driven guns. I can see why he needed them. I love my 1187. My next gun will be a Versamax. With a 3 1/2 shell, you will want a two piece stock and a gas gun. that said, 3 1/2 inch shells are really overkill these days.

MagnunJoe
January 22, 2014, 12:42 AM
Just your typical Federal or Winchester trap ammo.

oneounceload
January 22, 2014, 10:46 AM
Just your typical Federal or Winchester trap ammo

Well, there's the general purpose promo crap from wally world from both companies........OR, there are the Federal Gold Medal and Winchester AA load which ARE target ammo and much better made.

Fishbed77
January 22, 2014, 12:07 PM
According to Beretta, the A300 outlander has less recoil and is self cleaning? So why is it filthy after I shoot her

Less recoil than what? Most inertia guns? Yes. A Remington 1100/11-87? Definitely not. I've shot both back-to-back.

A300s definitely need cleaning. But they are certainly easier to clean than the Remingtons.

MagnunJoe
January 22, 2014, 10:36 PM
Ok, yes, I shoot the cheap kind... That's why I have to clean her every time.

Potatohead
January 22, 2014, 10:50 PM
Is their a way to tell gas from inertia, by looking at the outside of the gun, or do you just have to ask your (un)friendly gun counter guy?

Fishbed77
January 22, 2014, 11:05 PM
Is their a way to tell gas from inertia, by looking at the outside of the gun, or do you just have to ask your (un)friendly gun counter guy?

It's called Google.

In this day and age, there is no reason to be so uninformed as to have to depend on the gun counter guy to do anything other than fetch your guns of choice and ring up your sales.

Potatohead
January 22, 2014, 11:35 PM
Hey what are you saying about the gun counter guy:)
I was kidding about talking w the counter fella.

I would obviously research it before buying something but was wondering if their were a way to tell by looking at all of them on the racks behind the counter at my Gander for instance. You cant really see the names/brands and such from 15' away. Or at least my eyes cant. I know nothing about shotguns, obviously.

oneounceload
January 22, 2014, 11:47 PM
There aren't that many inertia brands of guns, and Benelli is at the top of the heap - start there and work your way down. The Beretta Group also has a few other brands as well.

kbbailey
January 23, 2014, 12:04 AM
Oneounce nailed it.
As usual.... +1

orphanedcowboy
January 23, 2014, 04:07 AM
According to Beretta, the A300 outlander has less recoil and is self cleaning? So why is it filthy after I shoot her.

There is no such thing as a self cleaning shotgun, if there was, every waterfowler would own one.

orphanedcowboy
January 23, 2014, 04:17 AM
Is their a way to tell gas from inertia, by looking at the outside of the gun, or do you just have to ask your (un)friendly gun counter guy?

Long Recoil:

Browning Auto-5
Remington 11 & 11-48
Franchi AL48

Inertia:

Benelli most models with exception of the M4
Franchi Affinity, Intensity and I-12
Beretta Pintail ES100 & 1200/1201
Stoeger M2000, 3000 & 3500

Gas:
Pretty much everything else

There are more of each version, these are just some of the most popular models.

Potatohead
January 23, 2014, 02:50 PM
Hey thanks for the info guys.

RUT
January 23, 2014, 03:20 PM
It boils down to a matter of personal preference. I choose inertia guns due to their simplicity, lack of moving parts, and overall cleanliness. Since I'm not recoil sensitive I can think of no advantage to having a gas gun over my Benelli autos. But that's just me....

Potatohead
January 23, 2014, 03:48 PM
How hard are the gas guns to clean? I mean, whats involved? Is it as annoying as an ar15? I havent been shooting and cleaning long but my AR cleaning directions are about 20 pages long.

RUT
January 23, 2014, 04:02 PM
Well, compared to an AR they aren't hard to clean at all. As I said, it's strictly a matter of personal preference and past experience. Many gas gun aficionados have never had anything but gas guns, thus their preference. I've had both, but now prefer inertia. There's no right or wrong answer to it.

Fishbed77
January 23, 2014, 04:35 PM
How hard are the gas guns to clean? I mean, whats involved? Is it as annoying as an ar15?

A modern Remington or Beretta gas-operated shotgun is MUCH easier to clean than an AR-15. Mostly because there are far fewer nooks and crannies to clean.

MagnunJoe
January 29, 2014, 11:44 PM
It's actually no big deal. A good 30 minutes in between shootings. 60 minutes for a good deep cleaning at the end of shooting season when u put her away for a while.

oneounceload
January 30, 2014, 09:52 AM
How hard are the gas guns to clean? I mean, whats involved?

Pull the barrel off the gun (10 seconds); spray barrel and pistons with brake cleaner (5 seconds); wipe both with patch (10 seconds); take out choke tube spray threads (10 seconds); regrease threads (5 seconds); reinstall tube (5 seconds); spray everything with Remoil and wipe down (10 seconds); reassemble gun and put away (10 seconds)

So that all adds up to 1 minute 5 seconds; if you aren't that nimble add another minute or two - if it takes you more than 5 minutes to clean a gas gun, something isn't right (add another 5 minutes to remove the trigger group and reinstall, done about 2X/year)

45crittergitter
February 20, 2014, 07:13 PM
Is their a way to tell gas from inertia, by looking at the outside of the gun, or do you just have to ask your (un)friendly gun counter guy?

In my experience, the average counter guy is NOT very knowledgeable. Kinda like asking a car salesman to explain how an auto trans or fuel injection works. Maybe you get a good answer, and maybe you don't.

Virginian
February 20, 2014, 07:52 PM
Except for a once a year tear down, or after a swim, a 5 minute spray and wipe of the gas parts keeps all my 30 and 40 year old 1100s running like a top. You do not need to do a detail clean every time, but if you do a minimum cleaning AFTER shooting your gas gun before putting it away it will reward you with excellent service.

frank c
February 22, 2014, 04:50 AM
My son wants to upgrade to a 3 1/2 mag auto. I'm not a shotgun guy so this is new to me. His hunting friends say to get an inertia auto for reliability over a gas gun. I have a 11 87 rem and it has been flawless. Do the inertia guns have less recoil? He is looking at one of the new A5 brownings. Thanks Truman56
Find a nice used Winchester SX2(gas operated)shoots 3 1/2 shells.Mine has been flawess.

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