german maker's prototype: K98 - the knife!


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Mp7
November 25, 2013, 04:16 AM
Okay guys! This just popped up on a fb-group about handmade knives by german makers.

Stunning!!!!


Seriously, one of the greatest designs ever! I so want one.


http://www.messer-spitzl.de/aktuell.html
Here`s a link to the maker.

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hso
November 25, 2013, 08:38 AM
Clever, interesting, and desirable most certainly, but "one of the greatest designs ever" is a bit of an overstatement since it is Richard Spitzl's standard Loveless knife, blued, and with the body inspired by the G98 furniture/fittings. Great knife, but greatest...?

Officers'Wife
November 25, 2013, 09:01 AM
Cute, but I can't think of any chores I use a knife for that one of the pocket knives I carry wouldn't be better suited for. That "bolt" would be getting caught on clothing if you attempted to carry it as well.

As I said, cute, great design??? Matter of opinion.

TParrish
November 25, 2013, 09:35 AM
Cute, but I can't think of any chores I use a knife for that one of the pocket knives I carry wouldn't be better suited for. That "bolt" would be getting caught on clothing if you attempted to carry it as well.

As I said, cute, great design??? Matter of opinion.
It does call to question just what people do think a good or great knife design is, though. I saw this recently at my LGS, and the integrated thumb rise and finger groove made it look interesting and very usable for everyday tasks. Of course, I'd have to handle one for a while to make a determination.

http://www.amazon.com/Beretta-Bascula-Wood-Knife-Small/dp/B005NH6626/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1385389771&sr=8-7&keywords=beretta+knife

kBob
November 25, 2013, 11:05 AM
Kind of neat......I was afraid the OP had found one of those flat lock blade K98 black cat knives sold in magazines and comics through the 1960's.

I almost bought one of those old leaping panther K98 knives at junk table at a show just to have one.

This is nothing at all like it however. If I was more of a mauser nut I would have to have one. Still wouldn't mind one for Christmas......

-kBob

Sam Cade
November 25, 2013, 11:32 AM
Kind of neat......I was afraid the OP had found one of those flat lock blade K98 black cat knives sold in magazines and comics through the 1960's

The K55K Mercator you mean?

http://www.otter-messer.de/images/product_images/info_images/472_0.jpg
http://www.otter-messer.de/product_info.php/info/p472_Mercator-10-426rg-K.html

I like those very much.

Still only cost around $20.

http://www.knifecenter.com/item/K55/

Mp7
November 25, 2013, 11:32 AM
:-)

Come on guys i didn't mean usability!
Just the idea of making a Knife to go along with the K98 look.


I think it`s brilliant.
Inquiring for the price right now.



But after all ... i`m german.

Just imagine the 1903 was looking that good,
and sum1 made a similar knife-furniture :neener:

Sam Cade
November 25, 2013, 11:35 AM
Come on guys i didn't mean usability!

For me that is 95% of the appeal of any knife.

Once aesthetics start hampering utility I totally lose any interest.

kBob
November 25, 2013, 11:53 AM
Sam,

Been a while and my German has gotten very rusty (would not want to remove the rust and destroy the value) but did I understand the first line of the description to say "American GI's brought these knives home from WWII and copied them there" or words to that effect?

Yes that is the knife I meant though I would swear the one I saw and the ones in the adds said K98K on them. Wonder if that is the copying the description seems to meantion....

Oh and please do not give that knife to the garden gnomes.....

-kBob

Sam Cade
November 25, 2013, 12:00 PM
Here is a quick video on the history of the knife:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfFZbXBhBf0

Mp7
November 25, 2013, 12:25 PM
Usability?

Well, i already got a Mora.



So what are the other 100 knives actually for :-)

hso
November 25, 2013, 01:20 PM
Just imagine the 1903 was looking that good,
and sum1 made a similar knife-furniture

Ohhh, that would be cool if it is as well done, but still not one of the greatest designs ever. Heck, the '03 is a Mauser derivative anyway.

BTW, I would have liked if he had adapted the original Mauser bayonet design for this (as well as providing the more usable Loveless blade). Wonder how that would have looked?

kBob
November 25, 2013, 04:11 PM
Sam,

Thanks a heap for that link. Never knew how old that design was. You seem to be VERY well informed on knife history. Could you possibly direct me to something that might tell me what knives were available in 1860 in the US?

-kBob

kBob
November 25, 2013, 04:15 PM
Back to the original knife posted:

I assume the sling cut out at the butt of the grip is a lanyard hole.

Does the bolt disassembly "tool" work to tear down M98 bolts with? Does it go all the way through when the knife is open?

I agree with another poster that the blade should have been made to look like the last couple of inched of a -98 bayonet to complete the look.

-kBob

Sam Cade
November 25, 2013, 05:08 PM
I'll hit you with a PM in a few KBob.

hso is an even better resource than I am for stuff like this


Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. ;)

hso
November 25, 2013, 07:45 PM
Heck, RC was collecting knives back even then so he's the best source.;)

Are you looking at folders, fixed, military, ???

rcmodel
November 25, 2013, 08:32 PM
K-98 Mauser + a knife to go along with it??

Why do I keep getting a mental image of one of these?? :confused:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Knife-gravity-x01.jpg

rc

stan rose
November 25, 2013, 10:55 PM
I want one.

Mp7
November 26, 2013, 03:51 AM
RC ... never even thought of it,
as the Luftwaffe normally wouldnt carry k98
for airborne missions.

kBob
November 26, 2013, 10:43 AM
MP7,

The rifles and 'chine guns went into a special cargo container that the JU52 dropped by parachute in the midst of the Falling Spingers exit. The US used similar drop bags at Normandy. Glider troops tended to carry the G33/40 when they were available but I believe there were glider troops with K98s at Crete

I have to admit I would have preferred and FG42 over a K98 if I was struggling to break out of a crash landed glider in the midst of folks that did not like me.

RC

I found them a bit noisy and not that tight, though every one I saw or used was used ;-) Also had the Marlin spike get caught half open and stick me once.

There was another model that was flatter and had plastic scales with no marlin spike I liked better. Some say "fake" or post war but some German vets told me 1944 and later.

-kBob

kBob
November 26, 2013, 11:35 AM
Looked through a gazillion photos on line of "German Paratroop knife" and found only one of what I was talking about labeled post war BTW.

Had an intact one for a bit and carried one the scales had broken on and had been wrapped in old style cloth electricians tape. This was one of my back in the rear knives when a sheath knife that became visable to REMFs was frowned on. Some guys liked the Eichorn switchblades, but they were officially such a no-no that every one immediately recognized them. The FJ knife that is pictured was not normally noticed unless some 20 year old hot shot made a big show of flinging it open. Much nicer was pushing the button and fingering open the trap door in the pocket and sliding it quietly out without a sound thus already open and well gripped behind the thigh turned away from the problem that caused you to open it that way. The two I used would pass the jump test for night patrols where as the older model with marlin spike rattled.

-kBob

Speedo66
November 26, 2013, 03:26 PM
That rifle knife should go perfect with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx74XkvJzaA

Outlaw Man
November 26, 2013, 04:32 PM
Good looking knife. I like the idea.

That Beretta knife looks like a great way to lose a finger.

rcmodel
November 26, 2013, 07:33 PM
as the Luftwaffe normally wouldnt carry k98 for airborne missions.
Fallschirmjager on Crete.
Looks like 98 Mauser's to me.

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/654165-3/img694%23

rc

Officers'Wife
November 26, 2013, 08:12 PM
Fallschirmjager on Crete.
Looks like 98 Mauser's to me.


rc
OK, were airborne infantry considered Luftwaffe or Wehrmacht?

Stophel
November 26, 2013, 08:20 PM
I just happened on this nice image of a Fallschirmjaeger and his knife yesterday! (a straight knife with the sheath apparently having a clip that is hooked on his jump smock)

What a mountain of a man! A bad lookin' dude!

http://www.wallchan.com/images/mediums/85043.jpg

"Wehrmacht" is basically "Armed Forces", and included the army (Heer), navy (Kriegsmarine), air force (Luftwaffe) (not sure if the Waffen SS were officially considered "Wehrmacht" or not). Paratroopers were in the air force.

rcmodel
November 26, 2013, 08:23 PM
Luftwaffe.

But by mid 1944, they were no longer trained as paratroopers and fought as Wehrmacht infantry.

As for the gravity knives?

Just like every other weapon in every other war.
Solders other then paratroopers ended up with them through trades, theft, & barter, and carried them in combat as infantry.

rc

rcmodel
November 26, 2013, 08:31 PM
The knife the solder is carrying in post #26 is a standard issue WWI pattern German Trench / fighting knife. They were also used extensively in WWII.

http://www.lawranceordnance.com/the_q_store/knives_issue/1212gt001.php

rc

Mp7
November 27, 2013, 04:31 AM
Interesting, all that.



Im obviously wrong on the K98 airborne.

4v50 Gary
November 27, 2013, 08:45 AM
Neat but I'll stick with my fixed blades.

Shanghai McCoy
November 27, 2013, 11:17 AM
That German trench/fighting knife is a simple, but elegant looking, tool. Kind of reminds me of the EK knives.
Thanks for posting those pictures rc.

hso
November 27, 2013, 03:29 PM
There were a bunch of them that hit the market about 5 years ago. They went for under $20 and sell for 5 times that now.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/760/img4731r.jpg

The sheaths have a piece of turned down steel wire/rod on the back.

kBob
November 27, 2013, 06:39 PM
Officer's wife,

The German paratroopers were Luftwaffe.

hso
November 27, 2013, 07:22 PM
Folks,

While I'm an military history buff we need to get back on the knife topic and rein in our interests in WWII history so I don't have to continue carving off chunks.

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