Gun Control Bill Gains 185 Co-Sponsors in the House


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Bartholomew Roberts
November 30, 2013, 10:23 AM
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) has introduced the companion version of the failed Schumer-Toomey-Manchin bill in the House. H. R. 1565 "The Public Safety and Second Amendment Protection Act." This bill currently has 185 co-sponsors - and when you see who is signed on, it should be clear this bill does not protect the Second; but attacks it. The bill is 33 votes short of a majority in the House. While it is unlikely House leadership are feeling suicidal, you might wish to contact your Representative - especially if they are one of the co-sponsors below:

COSPONSORS(185), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Barber, Ron [AZ-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Bass, Karen [CA-37] - 4/26/2013
Rep Beatty, Joyce [OH-3] - 5/7/2013
Rep Becerra, Xavier [CA-34] - 4/30/2013
Rep Bera, Ami [CA-7] - 5/14/2013
Rep Bishop, Timothy H. [NY-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Blumenauer, Earl [OR-3] - 4/30/2013
Rep Bonamici, Suzanne [OR-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Bordallo, Madeleine Z. [GU] - 5/16/2013
Rep Brady, Robert A. [PA-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Braley, Bruce L. [IA-1] - 6/28/2013
Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-5] - 5/7/2013
Rep Brownley, Julia [CA-26] - 5/7/2013
Rep Capps, Lois [CA-24] - 5/7/2013
Rep Capuano, Michael E. [MA-7] - 5/7/2013
Rep Cardenas, Tony [CA-29] - 5/6/2013
Rep Carney, John C., Jr. [DE] - 4/26/2013
Rep Carson, Andre [IN-7] - 5/7/2013
Rep Cartwright, Matt [PA-17] - 4/26/2013
Rep Castor, Kathy [FL-14] - 4/30/2013
Rep Castro, Joaquin [TX-20] - 5/16/2013
Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] - 5/16/2013
Rep Chu, Judy [CA-27] - 4/26/2013
Rep Cicilline, David N. [RI-1] - 4/25/2013
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-9] - 4/26/2013
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 5/7/2013
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel [MO-5] - 5/7/2013
Rep Clyburn, James E. [SC-6] - 4/30/2013
Rep Cohen, Steve [TN-9] - 5/6/2013
Rep Connolly, Gerald E. [VA-11] - 4/26/2013
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-13] - 4/26/2013
Rep Cooper, Jim [TN-5] - 6/13/2013
Rep Costa, Jim [CA-16] - 5/16/2013
Rep Courtney, Joe [CT-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-14] - 4/26/2013
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 4/26/2013
Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 4/30/2013
Rep Davis, Susan A. [CA-53] - 5/7/2013
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] - 4/15/2013
Rep DeGette, Diana [CO-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Delaney, John K. [MD-6] - 5/7/2013
Rep DeLauro, Rosa L. [CT-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep DelBene, Suzan K. [WA-1] - 4/30/2013
Rep Deutch, Theodore E. [FL-21] - 4/30/2013
Rep Doggett, Lloyd [TX-35] - 4/30/2013
Rep Doyle, Michael F. [PA-14] - 5/7/2013
Rep Duckworth, Tammy [IL-8] - 5/7/2013
Rep Edwards, Donna F. [MD-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Ellison, Keith [MN-5] - 5/9/2013
Rep Engel, Eliot L. [NY-16] - 4/26/2013
Rep Eshoo, Anna G. [CA-18] - 4/26/2013
Rep Esty, Elizabeth H. [CT-5] - 4/26/2013
Rep Faleomavaega, Eni F. H. [AS] - 5/16/2013
Rep Farr, Sam [CA-20] - 4/26/2013
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Fitzpatrick, Michael G. [PA-8] - 4/15/2013
Rep Foster, Bill [IL-11] - 5/14/2013
Rep Frankel, Lois [FL-22] - 4/26/2013
Rep Fudge, Marcia L. [OH-11] - 4/30/2013
Rep Gabbard, Tulsi [HI-2] - 5/16/2013
Rep Garamendi, John [CA-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Grayson, Alan [FL-9] - 5/6/2013
Rep Green, Al [TX-9] - 4/26/2013
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-3] - 5/6/2013
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Hahn, Janice [CA-44] - 5/6/2013
Rep Hanabusa, Colleen W. [HI-1] - 5/7/2013
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-20] - 4/30/2013
Rep Heck, Denny [WA-10] - 4/30/2013
Rep Higgins, Brian [NY-26] - 5/6/2013
Rep Himes, James A. [CT-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 5/7/2013
Rep Holt, Rush [NJ-12] - 7/11/2013
Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-17] - 5/6/2013
Rep Horsford, Steven A. [NV-4] - 5/17/2013
Rep Hoyer, Steny H. [MD-5] - 4/30/2013
Rep Huffman, Jared [CA-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Israel, Steve [NY-3] - 4/30/2013
Rep Jackson Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 4/18/2013
Rep Jeffries, Hakeem S. [NY-8] - 4/26/2013
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice [TX-30] - 4/26/2013
Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. [GA-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] - 4/30/2013
Rep Keating, William R. [MA-9] - 5/6/2013
Rep Kelly, Robin L. [IL-2] - 5/7/2013
Rep Kennedy, Joseph P. III [MA-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Kildee, Daniel T [MI-5] - 4/26/2013
Rep Kilmer, Derek [WA-6] - 5/6/2013
Rep Kuster, Ann M. [NH-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Langevin, James R. [RI-2] - 4/18/2013
Rep Larsen, Rick [WA-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Larson, John B. [CT-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-13] - 4/30/2013
Rep Levin, Sander M. [MI-9] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 4/30/2013
Rep Lipinski, Daniel [IL-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Loebsack, David [IA-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-19] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lowenthal, Alan S. [CA-47] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lowey, Nita M. [NY-17] - 4/26/2013
Rep Lujan Grisham, Michelle [NM-1] - 4/30/2013
Rep Lujan, Ben Ray [NM-3] - 5/7/2013
Rep Lynch, Stephen F. [MA-8] - 5/6/2013
Rep Maffei, Daniel B. [NY-24] - 4/30/2013
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-12] - 4/26/2013
Rep Maloney, Sean Patrick [NY-18] - 5/22/2013
Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-5] - 5/6/2013
Rep Matsui, Doris O. [CA-6] - 4/26/2013
Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] - 4/15/2013
Rep McCollum, Betty [MN-4] - 4/26/2013
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 4/30/2013
Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep McNerney, Jerry [CA-9] - 5/7/2013
Rep Meehan, Patrick [PA-7] - 4/15/2013
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. [NY-5] - 4/26/2013
Rep Meng, Grace [NY-6] - 5/7/2013
Rep Miller, George [CA-11] - 5/6/2013
Rep Moore, Gwen [WI-4] - 4/26/2013
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 4/26/2013
Rep Murphy, Patrick [FL-18] - 6/4/2013
Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-10] - 4/30/2013
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. [CA-32] - 4/26/2013
Rep Neal, Richard E. [MA-1] - 5/7/2013
Rep Negrete McLeod, Gloria [CA-35] - 5/22/2013
Rep Nolan, Richard M. [MN-8] - 5/7/2013
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 4/26/2013
Rep O'Rourke, Beto [TX-16] - 5/16/2013
Rep Pallone, Frank, Jr. [NJ-6] - 5/9/2013
Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [NJ-9] - 4/30/2013
Rep Pastor, Ed [AZ-7] - 5/7/2013
Rep Payne, Donald M., Jr. [NJ-10] - 5/9/2013
Rep Pelosi, Nancy [CA-12] - 4/26/2013
Rep Perlmutter, Ed [CO-7] - 4/26/2013
Rep Peters, Gary C. [MI-14] - 6/28/2013
Rep Peters, Scott H. [CA-52] - 5/7/2013
Rep Pierluisi, Pedro R. [PR] - 5/16/2013
Rep Pingree, Chellie [ME-1] - 4/30/2013
Rep Pocan, Mark [WI-2] - 4/26/2013
Rep Polis, Jared [CO-2] - 11/15/2013
Rep Price, David E. [NC-4] - 4/30/2013
Rep Quigley, Mike [IL-5] - 5/7/2013
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-13] - 4/26/2013
Rep Richmond, Cedric L. [LA-2] - 5/16/2013
Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille [CA-40] - 4/30/2013
Rep Ruiz, Raul [CA-36] - 5/17/2013
Rep Ruppersberger, C. A. Dutch [MD-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] - 4/30/2013
Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-13] - 5/16/2013
Rep Sablan, Gregorio Kilili Camacho [MP] - 5/16/2013
Rep Sanchez, Linda T. [CA-38] - 4/26/2013
Rep Sanchez, Loretta [CA-46] - 5/16/2013
Rep Sarbanes, John P. [MD-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 4/26/2013
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-28] - 4/30/2013
Rep Schneider, Bradley S. [IL-10] - 4/30/2013
Rep Schwartz, Allyson Y. [PA-13] - 5/6/2013
Rep Scott, David [GA-13] - 5/7/2013
Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby" [VA-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-15] - 5/7/2013
Rep Shea-Porter, Carol [NH-1] - 4/26/2013
Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-30] - 5/7/2013
Rep Sires, Albio [NJ-8] - 5/7/2013
Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh [NY-25] - 4/26/2013
Rep Smith, Adam [WA-9] - 5/7/2013
Rep Speier, Jackie [CA-14] - 4/30/2013
Rep Swalwell, Eric [CA-15] - 4/30/2013
Rep Takano, Mark [CA-41] - 4/30/2013
Rep Thompson, Bennie G. [MS-2] - 5/9/2013
Rep Thompson, Mike [CA-5] - 4/15/2013
Rep Tierney, John F. [MA-6] - 4/30/2013
Rep Titus, Dina [NV-1] - 6/6/2013
Rep Tonko, Paul [NY-20] - 4/26/2013
Rep Tsongas, Niki [MA-3] - 4/26/2013
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 4/26/2013
Rep Vargas, Juan [CA-51] - 4/26/2013
Rep Veasey, Marc A. [TX-33] - 5/7/2013
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. [NY-7] - 5/7/2013
Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [FL-23] - 5/7/2013
Rep Waters, Maxine [CA-43] - 4/26/2013
Rep Watt, Melvin L. [NC-12] - 5/7/2013
Rep Waxman, Henry A. [CA-33] - 4/26/2013
Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 5/14/2013
Rep Wilson, Frederica S. [FL-24] - 5/7/2013
Rep Yarmuth, John A. [KY-3] - 4/26/2013

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floorit76
November 30, 2013, 10:28 AM
I lost count at 7 co-sponsors from my state of IL..... You can bet if those crooks are endorsing it, you won't like it.

MEHavey
November 30, 2013, 11:22 AM
Finally found a summery of it:

http://nyagv.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/HR1565-Summary.pdf

Key provision:
> Private sales have same background check as licensed sales:
> Private, unlicensed firearms sellers would be required to conduct
> background checks through licensed dealers, using the same
> background check system already in use for dealer sales.
>>> Exemptions: The bill would exempt transfers of firearms between
>>> friends and family from background check requirements.

Key "Benefit:"
> Cuts off access to firearms by criminals and dangerous individuals:
> Over 6.6 million guns are transferred each year through private
> transfers not subject to background checks. Criminals exploit this
> loophole-nearly 80% of those incarcerated for crimes using handguns
> obtained their guns through private transfers.

The former has so many holes in it that it literally invites interpretational mischief. [Gov't now gets to define "friend"?]

The latter is another exercise in logical stupidity. [of course criminals will perform a background check under the broken corner streetlight.]

How can people continue to be so incredibly dense?
(Don't answer that question. It's depressing)

bobmcd
November 30, 2013, 12:03 PM
Criminals will still not have to do background checks, because they will only sell/transfer to their … "family and friends", yeah, that's the ticket!

Mike1234567
November 30, 2013, 12:18 PM
Cripes... EIGHT Texas Reps signed?!?

627PCFan
November 30, 2013, 12:23 PM
LOL@ friends and family. Is there a criteria for how long it takes to become my friend. And another thing, what's up with the name? Second amendment protection act? If this protects the 2a what its the really bad bill out there they are hiding that's anti 2a

xxjumbojimboxx
November 30, 2013, 12:24 PM
Rubbish.

Carl N. Brown
November 30, 2013, 12:24 PM
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) H. R. 1565 "The Public Safety and Second Amendment Protection Act."

Key Benefit: Cuts off access to firearms by criminals and dangerous individuals: Over 6.6 million guns are transferred each year through private transfers not subject to background checks. Criminals exploit this loophole-nearly 80% of those incarcerated for crimes using handguns obtained their guns through private transfers.

The 6.6 million "private transfer" estimate is probably from the National Survey on Private Ownership and use of Firearms, which sampled ordinary citizens. This is the source of the much used 40% statistic of gun acquisitions not through licensed dealers; UBC would apply to NSPOF average citizen gun survey fractions of:
13% purchase from non-dealer (private sales, used guns)
19% gift from family or friend
3% trade or swap used guns
5% inheritance
(Of NSPOF's 40%, only 16% would fall under the UBC requirement.)

The 80% of inmates obtained their guns from private transfers is from a survey of prison inmates.

I "love" the mismatch of projected count of private gun transfers from ordinary citizens with the percentage of inmates acquiring handguns. Honestly, even Robert Sherrill estimated crime represented 1 of 400 guns at most.

Universal Background Check would apply to Bureau of Justice Statistics state inmate gun survey fractions of:
20.8% from drug dealer/street
18.5% by rent or borrow from inmate family or friend
12.8% by purchase or trade from inmate family or friend
9.9% by theft or burglary
8.4% from fence/black market
8.3% other acquisitions from inmate family or friend
(BJS 78% of gun acquisitions from such "private transfers" to criminals.)

Key provision: Private sales have same background check as licensed sales: Private, unlicensed firearms sellers would be required to conduct background checks through licensed dealers, using the same background check system already in use for dealer sales.

Question: would the inmate listed sources comply with a UBC? Voluntarily go to a gun dealer and pay to have the gun dealer run a background check on the buyer?

Exemptions: The bill would exempt transfers of firearms between friends and family from background check requirements.

Friends of inmates are often fellow criminals, as are many family members of inmates. But they will be exempt? BJS state inmate gun survey fractions of private acquisition from family or friend:
18.5% by rent or borrow from inmate family or friend
12.8% by purchase or trade from inmate family or friend
8.3% other acquisitions from inmate family or friend
(BJS 39% of inmate gun acquisitions from "private transfers" from family or friend.)

How many criminal acquisitions will be "cut off"? How much money and law enforcement resources will be spendt on background checks on millions lawabiding citizen selling, trading or swapping used guns? Another nurden on the law-abiding that will be ignored by the criminal element, and money an resources diverted from projects that may actually affect criminal behavior.

MEHavey
November 30, 2013, 12:50 PM
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MEHavey
November 30, 2013, 12:51 PM
How many criminal acquisitions will be "cut off"?
How much money and law enforcement resources will be spent on background
checks on millions law-abiding citizen selling, trading or swapping used guns?
Another Burden on the law-abiding that will be ignored by the criminal element,
and money an resources diverted from projects that may actually affect criminal behavior.Carl, Carl Carl,...Carl......
This is not about gun safety.
This is about gun Control.
Sheeeeesh.

[The minor fact that it does neither is lost on the bleating sheep.]

Carl N. Brown
November 30, 2013, 12:56 PM
I do know. It's "do something", even if its wrong or useless, for the children. What I don't know is whether to :eek: or :rolleyes: or :banghead: or :fire: or :cuss: or just :neener:

Stress_Test
November 30, 2013, 01:23 PM
LOL@ friends and family. Is there a criteria for how long it takes to become my friend. And another thing, what's up with the name? Second amendment protection act? If this protects the 2a what its the really bad bill out there they are hiding that's anti 2a

The 2nd "protection" act name is something straight out of 1984 double-speak. :rolleyes:

Stress_Test
November 30, 2013, 01:30 PM
How can people continue to be so incredibly dense?
(Don't answer that question. It's depressing)



Recent events have led me to conclude that the politicians that push these things are NOT doing this because they are dense or clueless. They know exactly what they're doing. The end game always seems to be confiscation. Look at the recent thread about California going out and taking guns from people who are suddenly on the "prohibited list".

The lawmakers pushing these laws aren't clueless but they're counting on the ignorance and emotional irrationality of the general public in order to move closer to the end goal (confiscation).

Geez, I sound like a conspiracy nut, but lately it doesn't seem too far-fetched given the crazy things the people in power do. Bloomburg's soda ban anyone!?

Librarian
November 30, 2013, 04:32 PM
Thomas.loc.gov has spun off its legislative tracking to beta.congress.gov.

The bill is at URL beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/1565

ThorinNNY
November 30, 2013, 04:40 PM
What Carl said in post 11!

Dframe
November 30, 2013, 05:06 PM
Another steaming stack of bovine feces!

Midwest
November 30, 2013, 05:09 PM
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) has introduced the companion version of the failed Schumer-Toomey-Manchin bill in the House. H. R. 1565 "The Public Safety and Second Amendment Protection Act." This bill currently has 185 co-sponsors - and when you see who is signed on, it should be clear this bill does not protect the Second; but attacks it.


I assume this is the same Peter King who said that anyone who buys a large quantity of nails , should be reported to the police. Define large, more than one nail? 10 nails? a box of nails?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-pete-king-merchants-selling-ball-bearings-beauty-products-should-notify-police

"Anyone seeing anyone buying components, any type of BBs or ball bearings -- a large amount of nails, even -- report that to police,"

.

MEHavey
November 30, 2013, 05:40 PM
How can people continue to be so incredibly dense?
(Don't answer that question. It's depressing)
Recent events have led me to conclude that the politicians that push these things are NOT doing this because they are dense or clueless. Hmmmm....

Maybe I should amend my question to read "...How can The People continue to be so incredibly dense?"
[Don't answer that question either. It's even more depressing.]

MarkDido
November 30, 2013, 06:25 PM
Cripes... EIGHT Texas Reps signed?!?

Austin.

KTXdm9
November 30, 2013, 06:44 PM
Cripes... EIGHT Texas Reps signed?!?
All of them Dems.

Midwest
November 30, 2013, 06:49 PM
One Kentucky Rep. signed onto this and he serves most of Louisville.

Hacker15E
November 30, 2013, 08:32 PM
Those sponsorships were 6 or 7 months ago...after the failure of the "first" bill to go anywhere in the Senate.

jfrey
November 30, 2013, 10:19 PM
Well it seems numerous of the useless bed wetters from Texas signed on to it. No surprises here. That's all I needed to know to see it is totally worthless legislation. They got their hands spanked once but didn't learn any lessons. Probably never will.

btg3
December 1, 2013, 06:55 AM
Sorted by state...

AS -------- -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Faleomavaega, Eni F. H.
AZ -------- 2 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Barber, Ron
AZ -------- 3 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Grijalva, Raul M.
AZ -------- 7 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Pastor, Ed
CA -------- 11 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Miller, George
CA -------- 12 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Pelosi, Nancy
CA -------- 13 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Lee, Barbara
CA -------- 14 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Speier, Jackie
CA -------- 15 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Swalwell, Eric
CA -------- 16 -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Costa, Jim
CA -------- 17 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Honda, Michael M.
CA -------- 18 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Eshoo, Anna G.
CA -------- 19 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Lofgren, Zoe
CA -------- 2 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Huffman, Jared
CA -------- 20 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Farr, Sam
CA -------- 24 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Capps, Lois
CA -------- 26 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Brownley, Julia
CA -------- 27 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Chu, Judy
CA -------- 28 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Schiff, Adam B.
CA -------- 29 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Cardenas, Tony
CA -------- 3 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Garamendi, John
CA -------- 30 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Sherman, Brad
CA -------- 32 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Napolitano, Grace F.
CA -------- 33 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Waxman, Henry A.
CA -------- 34 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Becerra, Xavier
CA -------- 35 -------- - 5/22/2013 -------- Rep Negrete McLeod, Gloria
CA -------- 36 -------- - 5/17/2013 -------- Rep Ruiz, Raul
CA -------- 37 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Bass, Karen
CA -------- 38 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Sanchez, Linda T.
CA -------- 40 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille
CA -------- 41 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Takano, Mark
CA -------- 43 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Waters, Maxine
CA -------- 44 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Hahn, Janice
CA -------- 46 -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Sanchez, Loretta
CA -------- 47 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Lowenthal, Alan S.
CA -------- 5 -------- - 4/15/2013 -------- Rep Thompson, Mike
CA -------- 51 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Vargas, Juan
CA -------- 52 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Peters, Scott H.
CA -------- 53 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Davis, Susan A.
CA -------- 6 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Matsui, Doris O.
CA -------- 7 -------- - 5/14/2013 -------- Rep Bera, Ami
CA -------- 9 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep McNerney, Jerry
CO -------- 1 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep DeGette, Diana
CO -------- 2 -------- - 11/15/2013 -------- Rep Polis, Jared
CO -------- 7 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Perlmutter, Ed
CT -------- 1 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Larson, John B.
CT -------- 2 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Courtney, Joe
CT -------- 3 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep DeLauro, Rosa L.
CT -------- 4 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Himes, James A.
CT -------- 5 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Esty, Elizabeth H.
DC -------- -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes
DE -------- -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Carney, John C., Jr.
FL -------- 14 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Castor, Kathy
FL -------- 18 -------- - 6/4/2013 -------- Rep Murphy, Patrick
FL -------- 20 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Hastings, Alcee L.
FL -------- 21 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Deutch, Theodore E.
FL -------- 22 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Frankel, Lois
FL -------- 23 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
FL -------- 24 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Wilson, Frederica S.
FL -------- 5 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Brown, Corrine
FL -------- 9 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Grayson, Alan
GA -------- 13 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Scott, David
GA -------- 4 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr.
GA -------- 5 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Lewis, John
GU -------- -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Bordallo, Madeleine Z.
HI -------- 1 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Hanabusa, Colleen W.
HI -------- 2 -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Gabbard, Tulsi
IA -------- 1 -------- - 6/28/2013 -------- Rep Braley, Bruce L.
IA -------- 2 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Loebsack, David
IL -------- 1 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Rush, Bobby L.
IL -------- 10 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Schneider, Bradley S.
IL -------- 11 -------- - 5/14/2013 -------- Rep Foster, Bill
IL -------- 2 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Kelly, Robin L.
IL -------- 3 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Lipinski, Daniel
IL -------- 4 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Gutierrez, Luis V.
IL -------- 5 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Quigley, Mike
IL -------- 7 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Davis, Danny K.
IL -------- 8 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Duckworth, Tammy
IL -------- 9 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Schakowsky, Janice D.
IN -------- 7 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Carson, Andre
KY -------- 3 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Yarmuth, John A.
LA -------- 2 -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Richmond, Cedric L.
MA -------- 1 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Neal, Richard E.
MA -------- 2 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep McGovern, James P.
MA -------- 3 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Tsongas, Niki
MA -------- 4 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Kennedy, Joseph P. III
MA -------- 5 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Markey, Edward J.
MA -------- 6 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Tierney, John F.
MA -------- 7 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Capuano, Michael E.
MA -------- 8 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Lynch, Stephen F.
MA -------- 9 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Keating, William R.
MD -------- 2 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Ruppersberger, C. A. Dutch
MD -------- 3 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Sarbanes, John P.
MD -------- 4 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Edwards, Donna F.
MD -------- 5 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Hoyer, Steny H.
MD -------- 6 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Delaney, John K.
MD -------- 7 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Cummings, Elijah E.
MD -------- 8 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Van Hollen, Chris
ME -------- 1 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Pingree, Chellie
MI -------- 13 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Conyers, John, Jr.
MI -------- 14 -------- - 6/28/2013 -------- Rep Peters, Gary C.
MI -------- 5 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Kildee, Daniel T
MI -------- 9 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Levin, Sander M.
MN -------- 4 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep McCollum, Betty
MN -------- 5 -------- - 5/9/2013 -------- Rep Ellison, Keith
MN -------- 8 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Nolan, Richard M.
MO -------- 1 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy
MO -------- 5 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Cleaver, Emanuel
MP -------- -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Sablan, Gregorio Kilili Camacho
MS -------- 2 -------- - 5/9/2013 -------- Rep Thompson, Bennie G.
NC -------- 12 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Watt, Melvin L.
NC -------- 4 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Price, David E.
NH -------- 1 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Shea-Porter, Carol
NH -------- 2 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Kuster, Ann M.
NJ -------- 1 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Andrews, Robert E.
NJ -------- 10 -------- - 5/9/2013 -------- Rep Payne, Donald M., Jr.
NJ -------- 12 -------- - 7/11/2013 -------- Rep Holt, Rush
NJ -------- 6 -------- - 5/9/2013 -------- Rep Pallone, Frank, Jr.
NJ -------- 8 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Sires, Albio
NJ -------- 9 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr.
NM -------- 1 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Lujan Grisham, Michelle
NM -------- 3 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Lujan, Ben Ray
NV -------- 1 -------- - 6/6/2013 -------- Rep Titus, Dina
NV -------- 4 -------- - 5/17/2013 -------- Rep Horsford, Steven A.
NY -------- 1 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Bishop, Timothy H.
NY -------- 10 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Nadler, Jerrold
NY -------- 12 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Maloney, Carolyn B.
NY -------- 13 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Rangel, Charles B.
NY -------- 14 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Crowley, Joseph
NY -------- 15 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Serrano, Jose E.
NY -------- 16 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Engel, Eliot L.
NY -------- 17 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Lowey, Nita M.
NY -------- 18 -------- - 5/22/2013 -------- Rep Maloney, Sean Patrick
NY -------- 20 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Tonko, Paul
NY -------- 24 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Maffei, Daniel B.
NY -------- 25 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Slaughter, Louise McIntosh
NY -------- 26 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Higgins, Brian
NY -------- 3 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Israel, Steve
NY -------- 4 -------- - 4/15/2013 -------- Rep McCarthy, Carolyn
NY -------- 5 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Meeks, Gregory W.
NY -------- 6 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Meng, Grace
NY -------- 7 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Velazquez, Nydia M.
NY -------- 8 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Jeffries, Hakeem S.
NY -------- 9 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Clarke, Yvette D.
OH -------- 11 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Fudge, Marcia L.
OH -------- 13 -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Ryan, Tim
OH -------- 3 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Beatty, Joyce
OH -------- 9 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Kaptur, Marcy
OR -------- 1 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Bonamici, Suzanne
OR -------- 3 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Blumenauer, Earl
OR -------- 4 -------- - 4/15/2013 -------- Rep DeFazio, Peter A.
PA -------- 1 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Brady, Robert A.
PA -------- 13 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Schwartz, Allyson Y.
PA -------- 14 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Doyle, Michael F.
PA -------- 17 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Cartwright, Matt
PA -------- 2 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Fattah, Chaka
PA -------- 7 -------- - 4/15/2013 -------- Rep Meehan, Patrick
PA -------- 8 -------- - 4/15/2013 -------- Rep Fitzpatrick, Michael G.
PR -------- -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Pierluisi, Pedro R.
RI -------- 1 -------- - 4/25/2013 -------- Rep Cicilline, David N.
RI -------- 2 -------- - 4/18/2013 -------- Rep Langevin, James R.
SC -------- 6 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Clyburn, James E.
TN -------- 5 -------- - 6/13/2013 -------- Rep Cooper, Jim
TN -------- 9 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Cohen, Steve
TX -------- 15 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Hinojosa, Ruben
TX -------- 16 -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep O'Rourke, Beto
TX -------- 18 -------- - 4/18/2013 -------- Rep Jackson Lee, Sheila
TX -------- 20 -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Castro, Joaquin
TX -------- 30 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice
TX -------- 33 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Veasey, Marc A.
TX -------- 35 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Doggett, Lloyd
TX -------- 9 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Green, Al
VA -------- 11 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Connolly, Gerald E.
VA -------- 3 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby"
VA -------- 8 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Moran, James P.
VI -------- -------- - 5/16/2013 -------- Rep Christensen, Donna M.
VT -------- -------- - 5/14/2013 -------- Rep Welch, Peter
WA -------- 1 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep DelBene, Suzan K.
WA -------- 10 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep Heck, Denny
WA -------- 2 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Larsen, Rick
WA -------- 6 -------- - 5/6/2013 -------- Rep Kilmer, Derek
WA -------- 7 -------- - 4/30/2013 -------- Rep McDermott, Jim
WA -------- 9 -------- - 5/7/2013 -------- Rep Smith, Adam
WI -------- 2 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Pocan, Mark
WI -------- 4 -------- - 4/26/2013 -------- Rep Moore, Gwen

Old Fuff
December 1, 2013, 01:28 PM
Now sort them by political party, and the obvious should become clear... :uhoh:

Never-the-less, all of them will be up for re-election in 2014, and if you live in a district which any of them represent, drop them a letter and tell them that you will remember their endorsement of this bill when you vote for someone else next year.

A heavy mailbag can carry a lot of weight. :evil:

medalguy
December 1, 2013, 01:41 PM
From Texas, I see Sheila Jackson Lee, Al Green, and Lloyd Doggett on there. That tells me all I need to know. :scrutiny:

Ryanxia
December 2, 2013, 10:43 AM
So according to the link below the last action taken on this was in 04/13 and it seemed to fizzle out there. Has there been recent activity?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1565

Darkhorse
December 2, 2013, 03:56 PM
I think they're getting ready for the Sandy Hook ballyhoo that's going to hit the fan in a couple of weeks...

Armymutt
December 2, 2013, 03:57 PM
If they want the universal back ground check, the way to do it is to give everyone access to NICS and make it voluntary with the provision that if you sell to a prohibited person, you go to jail. Make it a personal responsibility thing.

Hacker15E
December 2, 2013, 05:55 PM
So according to the link below the last action taken on this was in 04/13 and it seemed to fizzle out there. Has there been recent activity?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1565

That was my question, too. Not sure why it was posted now.

Green Lantern
December 2, 2013, 09:35 PM
The 2nd "protection" act name is something straight out of 1984 double-speak.

You think THAT'S cheeky, How about Jim Moran and his so-called “NRA Members' Gun Safety Act” - ?!

hotajax
December 3, 2013, 12:51 AM
My eyes have been opened. Apparently my Republican Rep is a Republican in Name Only.

Tophernj
December 3, 2013, 04:12 AM
Now sort them by political party, and the obvious should become clear... :uhoh:

Never-the-less, all of them will be up for re-election in 2014, and if you live in a district which any of them represent, drop them a letter and tell them that you will remember their endorsement of this bill when you vote for someone else next year.

A heavy mailbag can carry a lot of weight. :evil:
Not speaking for the rest of the country, but I'm starting to doubt that as well. I do of course realize that NJ is a bit of a special case. However, this just past election not one of the seats being contended by gun grabbers here in NJ was lost. Meaning that the gun grabbers that were up for re-election ALL WON. None of them lost. All the bally-hoo and belly aching was for naught. It sucks but for the politicians, most of them won't be worried when it comes time to do this again.

C

Ryanxia
December 3, 2013, 09:14 AM
That was my question, too. Not sure why it was posted now.
I'm thinking this is old and was maybe just noticed recently by the OP.

Bartholomew Roberts
December 4, 2013, 12:59 PM
That was my question, too. Not sure why it was posted now.

It was posted as a reminder that we don't want to be complacent as we come up on the Newtown anniversiary. We know there is going to be a major gun control push to coincide with it in the press. This is a bad bill that has 185 co-sponsors already in the House. With 33-36 more votes, it could be forced to the floor via a discharge petition. And in some cases, otherwise Representatives who have been good on guns in the past were suckered into jumping on this by Sen. Toomey and have not yet renounced their sponsorship - we should be concerned about them as well.

All in all, I'm optimistic that this bill won't go anywhere; but as the campaign season ramps up and Representatives are asking for money, we should be aware of where they stand and let them know our sentiments.

Old Fuff
December 4, 2013, 03:05 PM
Yup, and today (Dec 4th, 2013) they are releasing the 911 audiotapes made at the time. Many of them are pathetic so it’s not hard to understand what’s behind the move. Since the authorities have admitted that all of the current proposals, both those already passed into laws – and those that haven’t would have altered the circumstance of the incident it’s clear that they are hoping for support based on pure emotionalism.

So yes, it’s important to keep reminding representatives and senators that we haven’t forgotten either, and will vote to protect our Second Amendment rights. Also suggest they look backwards to what happened in 1994 when a medical system overhaul and firearms rights issue cost the Democrats of control in both the U.S. House and Senate.

armoredman
December 4, 2013, 04:25 PM
Grijalva and Pastor are both open border nutjobs who actively work to destroy Arizona as it exists today to make a Aricalifornia. Barber i don't know much about, but I ain't impressed so far.
The cornerstone of this law, the 600 pound gorilla ion the room that they won't mention, is this, like the other one, will not work without universal registration, which is the ultimate goal. None of my firearms are "registered" here in AZ, private sales are exactly that, and we like it like that. Unlike NY or CZ with total registration, there is, literally no way to "track" lawful transfers in this state without compulsory registration AND investigation of suspected non compliant owners. Ask Canada how well that worked.
That is the goal, the fish hook inside this stinky bait of "benefits" that are impossible to quantify, prove or believe.

Old Fuff
December 4, 2013, 07:48 PM
Part of the method to their madness is that they really don't care about Universal Background Checks (UBC). All of the proposals that the Democrats have submitted, and/or considered contain a provision that what were private sales must now be brokered through an FFL, and require an entry in they're bound book and a #4473 form that contains detailed information about the seller, buyer and the particular firearm. From that point on they'll be a paper trail.

When someone asks, "Why do you object to background checks," the answer should be, "I don't, what I object to is Universal 4473 forms that can become national gun registration."

Those who think that a program would be set up where the potential seller could simply make a phone call to check the buyer’s credentials are to be frank, naïve.

Hacker15E
December 4, 2013, 08:24 PM
Part of the method to their madness is that they really don't care about Universal Background Checks (UBC).

I think that UBC just happens to be the one measure that got any sort of traction amongst the many that were floated this past year.

In previous years, this was not the main gun control push...but now that Heller has taken handgun bans off the table (which for YEARS was the main gun control push), and since a return to the AWB wasn't going anywhere, UBCs and magazine limits are the route all gun control advocates are hanging their hat on, as if "it is all they've ever really wanted".

If UBCs go nowhere, you can bet that in 1 or 3 or 5 years, there will be a new measure for control freaks to get behind, and they'll be again saying that's "all they've ever wanted".

Ryanxia
December 5, 2013, 08:38 AM
If UBCs go nowhere, you can bet that in 1 or 3 or 5 years, there will be a new measure for control freaks to get behind, and they'll be again saying that's "all they've ever wanted".
Next will be the liability insurance for gun owners. Luckily for us so far the insurance companies have been on our side fighting it because they're trying to avoid paying for more of people's negligence/intended harm.

Carl N. Brown
December 5, 2013, 09:00 AM
Call me insensitive if you will but: We all know that if Adam Lanza had been required to go to a gunshop and pass a voluntary BG check before taking possession of the guns he stole from his mom afetr killing her, Newtown would have been prevented.

Beach Nut
December 5, 2013, 09:57 AM
It is no surprise to see David Price's name on this proposed legislation along with
that of Mel Watt. David Price has been my Congressman for almost thirty years
and I've voted against him in every election in which he has run. I am in the
minority in the Raleigh/Durham area, surrounded by urbanites who believe that
Big Brother does a great job of taking care of the people. It's time to send
David Price to a retirement community. Mel Watt gets a F from the NRA but
his job is safe since his district has a large minority population that supports
him. I would love to see him packing his bags and heading home from Washington
D.C. too.

This bill is just another way to keep government eyes on our firearms and
potentially hands too. It needs to be nipped in the bud, as Barney Fife
would say and I will be contacting my Congressman (for all of the good it
is going to do, considering it is David Price)

MartinS
December 5, 2013, 08:56 PM
Good Beach. Never quit. Thank you for keepin' on.

benEzra
December 6, 2013, 08:06 AM
Exemptions: The bill would exempt transfers of firearms between friends and family from background check requirements.
Only *some* such transfers. Critically, it does *not* seem to allow transfers between domestic partners or significant others unless you are married, which is ridiculous.

Queen_of_Thunder
December 12, 2013, 09:25 AM
Only *some* such transfers. Critically, it does *not* seem to allow transfers between domestic partners or significant others unless you are married, which is ridiculous.
Seems to me you found a reason to kill the bill at least in court.

utbrowningman
December 12, 2013, 06:20 PM
None from Utah. :)

W L Johnson
December 16, 2013, 11:47 AM
One Kentucky Rep. signed onto this and he serves most of Louisville.
Yarmuth has never seen a gun control bill he didn't like, he would gladly sigh a compete total ban without giving it a 2nd thought. My skin crawls every time I hear his voice patting himself on the back.

wow6599
December 16, 2013, 12:50 PM
The 2 from Missouri, Clay (STL) and Cleaver (KC).....not a surprise. But, Cleaver best be careful - his district (5th) has a good section of western Missouri.....rural and very pro Second Amendment.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/MO/5

mdauben
December 17, 2013, 10:41 AM
Never-the-less, all of them will be up for re-election in 2014, and if you live in a district which any of them represent, drop them a letter and tell them that you will remember their endorsement of this bill when you vote for someone else next year.

This! :fire:

stevek
December 17, 2013, 11:39 AM
I am glad to see that none of the three congressmen from WV are on that list.

Strahley
January 18, 2014, 02:19 AM
Likewise, glad I don't see Kansas on there

dbp
January 18, 2014, 12:56 PM
Only *some* such transfers. Critically, it does *not* seem to allow transfers between domestic partners or significant others unless you are married, which is ridiculous.
Domestic partners and significant others would fall under the "friends" provision and be allowed would they not? After all, that is what they are.

shootingthebreeze
January 18, 2014, 01:34 PM
Got to start somewhere at the national level-if not, we will have quilt like laws at the state, county, city and village level.
There has to be tighter controls with firearm laws and this is coming from someone who is a firearm owner who has a CPL and is a retired military person with 20 years of service.
I'm an RN, not a lawyer or legislator. I believe that loopholes in existing firearm laws need to be sealed. We do not live in a perfect world thus the language of proposed legislation needs to be clarified that I agree.
If we do not bend towards tighter firearm laws then I believe the Second Amendment will be in danger. This is a different take from many here but if rigidity continues towards better firearm control at the national level then expect a quilt like set of laws at state level which is happening right now throughout the US. Change in existing firearm laws will happen, like it or not.

benEzra
January 18, 2014, 01:38 PM
Domestic partners and significant others would fall under the "friends" provision and be allowed would they not? After all, that is what they are.
Looking at the bill, in Section 202 FIREARMS TRANSFERS, I see no provision for transfer to friends at all.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.R.1565:

`(C) the transfer is made between spouses, between parents or spouses of parents and their children or spouses of their children, between siblings or spouses of siblings, or between grandparents or spouses of grandparents and their grandchildren or spouses of their grandchildren, or between aunts or uncles or their spouses and their nieces or nephews or their spouses, or between first cousins, if the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to believe that the transferee is prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm under Federal, State, or local law;

So you could transfer a gun to your sister's son's wife with no problem, but leave a gun with your own domestic partner when you leave on a business trip, and boom, you two are now criminals.

dbp
January 18, 2014, 01:43 PM
Looking at the bill, in Section 202 FIREARMS TRANSFERS, I see no provision for transfer to friends at all.



So you could transfer a gun to your sister's son's wife with no problem, but leave a gun with your own domestic partner when you leave on a business trip, and boom, you two are now criminals.
Sorry, I made the mistake of posting taking info from another post. I didn't read the bill. Given that, I see your point.

MagnumDweeb
January 18, 2014, 08:39 PM
I don't give a damn if there is a quilt/patchwork of laws on UBC and other suck anti-American bull leavings. I in Florida don't need the anti-American laws in California, New York, or Colorado here. If they have what they want then let them have what they want. I won't give the antis anything. No retreat, not one step backward, as doing so would only embolden them to want more from us much like Hitler did after Chamberlin played prison punk.

If they win some ground, fine, but not because we handed it over. And then when they win it, much like the Russians fought the Nazis, we do everything we can to get it back. In the courts and at the voting booth.

gdcpony
January 18, 2014, 11:29 PM
So I have sent to all my state reps on the list a comment. Had to do it on FB though for most of them. Not the best reply, but I bet I get some replies to it. My daughter did a much better job of stating our case than anyone else I have ever heard or read.

Maybe since you believe in violating the civil rights of millions of Americans, you can fill me in on why? H. R. 1565 is just one of many such violations. My daughter wonders why our government deserves my service after seeing this legislation. I have the embarrassment of having to explain that I defend a nation of free people and a constitution that guarantees that not a government intent on making us a welfare (read "slave" in my mind) state.

Here is my daughter's thoughts on it. Maybe you care to reply to them.

Gun Control’s Ill Effects and Imminent Failure
28 January 2013

Have you ever asked me what my father and I do on the weekends? We shoot. Rifles, bows, and even our muzzleloaders, they all are fun to shoot and to hunt with. You should try it sometime.

Recently there has been a lot of discussion about the Second Amendment and what it should or should not allow. These discussions have been focused on the semiautomatic class of weaponry more commonly called by liberal mass media “assault weapons.” There have been discussions on how many bullets a person should be able to load at once, what the weapons people buy should look like, and even what new rules can be imposed upon those who, like me, enjoy shooting my rifles legally and safely. If I had not been barred from this type of research on school computers, I would have needed only a few moments to prove the foolishness of any action against the Second Amendment.

My family is a firm believer in the right to bear arms as the Second Amendment protects the rest of our rights. I inherited that belief honestly and so I stand firm in my belief that the right to bear arms should never be infringed. I wish to simply present some points for those who wish to strip lawful citizens of their right to bear arms to consider. I will be proving that banning "assault weapons" is foolish. There is no sense in increasing ineffective firearm regulations. I will explain how so called “Gun Free Zones” are killing Americans more than the magazine capacity of a weapon. I will let you know why we will never be registering our firearms, and why we are against background checks on private sales. I am to the point so forgive me, but it is only the truth.

Banning "assault weapons" is foolish. The total number of murders committed with all rifles total is less than that of many other instruments. Blunt objects are more commonly used as murder weapons. In fact, several states report no rifles used in homicides in 2010. The state with the most murders committed by rifles is actually California, which has an Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) in place already. That alone proves the uselessness of such a law. Connecticut, it might be worth pointing out, had an AWB in place, and it failed to prevent the tragedy in Newtown. You might also wish to note that you are many times as likely to die today in a car accident than in this whole year by a gun of any kind.

Increasing firearm regulations is also ineffective. The states with the strictest restrictions on firearms are also the ones in which most of the murders occurs. If this is looked at at the local level, those areas with the strictest laws are the most crime prone areas in the country. This can be seen in Detroit, Chicago, New York City, and many other areas. I would think that trying such a failed tactic would seem doomed to fail on a national level. Meanwhile in Kennesaw, Georgia every household is required to own a firearm and crime dropped 89% after passing the law. The crime rate remains lower than any other city of its size in the nation.

“Gun Free Zones” are killing Americans. My father is a Marine, sworn by Honor to defend those who cannot defend themselves. Yet, he has been stripped of that right in his own nation for his own children, for me right here, right now. I hate to think that this is true, but it is. If you look at the shootings the government is so focused on, every single one since 1950 has occurred in a place where firearms are barred. Meanwhile, there are many stories that are not drawing attention that show that having firearms present in such situations actually saves lives. I would feel much better about my brother, sister, and I attending a school where teachers are allowed to protect them properly than us being easy victims of an evil man.

Magazine capacity has little or nothing to do with lethality. I tested this myself. My father can change a magazine in his personal AR 15 in less than one second. Being that he is trained as a Marine, I asked my eleven year old sister to try it. After two tries she could consistently reload in less than two seconds. I can do it in one second myself. I can tell you that that will not save lives. Also consider that if you ban them, who will have them? The criminal element the government is trying to protect us against. They again will fail. It only limits our rights as lawful gun owners.

Registering every firearm is not likely to succeed and will be resisted by many. We will not register our rightfully owned firearms on a list that could be later used to confiscate them. There is no nation that has registered firearms and not later confiscated most or all of them. In all of those countries, the strong soon after preys upon the weak. This can be seen in the per capita crime rate in Great Britain and Australia. It can be seen melodramatically in the former Soviet Union, last century Germany, and early 20th century Turkey. I could find no nation that successfully registered firearms without a seizure and then a drastic increase in violent crimes.

Background checks on private sales will accomplish nothing as well. Many of the firearms used in crime are stolen. Those bought lawfully are by and large used that way. It is a near impossible law to enforce without registration, and would save no lives. Regulating the rifles my father has purchased for my sister and I would not stop anyone from stealing them and performing horrible acts with them.

I hate to repeat cliché terms, but the Second Amendment protects the rest of our rights. Without it we have no others. There is a direct line between that amendment and our freedom as citizens of a free nation. One of the hallmarks of the United States has always been that the people are stronger than the government. That is in place for a reason and should never be tampered with. It is the same reason that our nation still stands despite hardships that have broken other nations. This one right gives us all the power to keep things that way. Without it we become subjects or slaves rather than citizens.

If you wish to know what I would suggest, it would be simple. Leave us alone. Lawful gun owners cause no problems and save lives that are not tracked on many occasions. We are most often able to take care of ourselves. It is not us who ask for government help, but instead are always willing to offer it to anyone who may need it. We enjoy our sport shooting, hunting, and our right to self defense. We cause little trouble unless it is brought to us, and are in general the most patriotic of citizens. We need less interference rather than more.

Another idea would be to ask the media to not release the name(s) of any shooter involved with a mass shooting. They want fame and denying them that would go farther than anything shy of getting rid of “gun free zones” in reducing the occurrence of these heinous crimes. Denying these evil people the availability of easy victims like we are right now, and the fame they seek from their act would be the greatest deterrents I could imagine.

I believe in the Second Amendment even more than any other of the rights we enjoy. I simply want a life where I can enjoy those freedoms promised to me by my country. The right to bear arms guarantees that. As I have proven, no law can add such a guarantee, and in fact, undermines my freedom and safety, by infringing upon that right. You cannot regulate away crime by regulating weapons. You cannot expect more regulations to do anything other than make the problem worse. I want to end by asking a simple question: What does anyone stand to gain by stripping me my rights because of a wrong I did not commit?

Prophet
January 19, 2014, 01:03 AM
From Pennsylvania;

Rep Schwartz, Allyson Y. [PA-13] - 5/6/2013
Rep Meehan, Patrick [PA-7] - 4/15/2013
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 4/30/2013
Rep Fitzpatrick, Michael G. [PA-8] - 4/15/2013
Rep Doyle, Michael F. [PA-14] - 5/7/2013
Rep Cartwright, Matt [PA-17] - 4/26/2013
Rep Brady, Robert A. [PA-1] - 4/26/2013

Jaymo
January 19, 2014, 01:21 AM
If you look up the only 3 from GA, you'll not be surprised.
All three are socialist Democrats.
Big surprise, they would support this heaping helping of yak squeeze.

Hacker15E
January 19, 2014, 02:21 PM
Yet again, a reminder that this bill is from a year ago -- before the main gun control bill failed in the Senate in spring 2013.

It is not recent news.

stargeezer
January 22, 2014, 02:16 AM
Gdcpony - please tell you daughter that her letter was one of the most complete, factual, and powerful letters it has been my great pleasure to read. You did not tell us her age or if she is a student, mother, lawyer or burger flipper or just what she plans for her future. Whatever her position in life may be currently, whatever her future goals may be, I am certain we shall hear more from her in the future and where ever her road may lead through life, it will be her with her hands on the wheel.

You have done a great job Dad. Congratulations.

Axel Larson
January 28, 2014, 12:56 PM
Wrote Welch for all the good it will do.

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