Question on loading 9MM with HS-6


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bulletstopz4
December 4, 2013, 10:47 AM
I have been using hs-6 for my 40 and 45, now I want to use it for 9mm. My plan is 115 fmj rainier bullets mixed cases. What has been the best load and oal.
Any data appreciated.


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Walkalong
December 4, 2013, 02:46 PM
When working up a load with the Ranier 115 Gr RN with HS-6, equal charge weights with the Ranier and the Hornady jacketed RN both loaded to 1.130 to 1.135 OAL, gave almost identical velocities with both bullets as I worked up towards my manual's max.

Start low and be careful.

Check accurate's online data (Western Powders 5.0 PDF, or the old Accurate 3.5 PDF), as they have some 9MM plated data now.

http://www.accuratepowder.com/load-data/

How about it HS-6 fans, any help here?

Welcome to THR bulletstopz4

Potatohead
December 4, 2013, 03:13 PM
Welcome to the forum. You came to the right place, these guys are way beyond "knowing their stuff". They will speed your transition into becoming a reloading nerd! Im eager to see the thread because HS6 is on my want list for 9mm.

1KPerDay
December 4, 2013, 04:26 PM
I haven't used it, but I know several guys who shoot 9mm Major that only use HS-6.

Not that this info helps you in any way. :D

Bush Pilot
December 4, 2013, 05:33 PM
I use HS6 for my 9MMs, my load is 7.0 grs under a 115 gr plated bullet. The book shows this being a max load, it isn't in my various 9 mm guns. I would suggest you start a bit lower and work up. BTW, for me, this is a very accurate combination.

J_McLeod
December 4, 2013, 09:06 PM
HS6 is my favorite powder for 9mm. I use 6.9gr and OAL of 1.135". Your results may vary. I also like it with 147s.

TroyUT
December 4, 2013, 09:12 PM
I have also been messing around with HS6 and 9mm. I used 4.8 grains set to 1.150" under 147 grain plated and shot from a Glock 19 was a very mild recoil. I am now using 7 grains under 115 grain plated set to 1.148".

ArchAngelCD
December 4, 2013, 09:21 PM
I'm a huge fan of HS-6. Sorry, I don't load 115gr bullets in the 9mm but for an occasional box of 115gr FMJ bullets for my son. I use W231/HP-38 for that ammo. When I load a powder other than W231 in the 9mm, as much as it hurts me to admit it, I get better accuracy from Longshot than HS-6 but that's with a 124/125gr bullet, not a 115gr bullet.

IMO you can do very well with HS-6 in the 9mm, I just can't help you with data, sorry...

J_McLeod
December 4, 2013, 10:44 PM
Hodgdon has good load data for all their powders online.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

Using Rainiers I would start with the lead data and work up.

ArchAngelCD
December 4, 2013, 10:51 PM
Hodgdon has good load data for all their powders online.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

Using Rainiers I would start with the lead data and work up.
I agree, most plated bullets should be loaded with lead data and if you can't find lead data use up to middle jacketed bullet data.

Walkalong
December 5, 2013, 07:47 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6195350&postcount=11

bassnfool
December 5, 2013, 06:28 PM
With Rocky Mountain 115 plated round nose I've found 6.8 grains of HS-6 results in slightly less than 1200 fps and fairly accurate out of my M&P 9 and the wife's Glock 19 gen 3.

Mr.Revolverguy
December 5, 2013, 07:57 PM
The rainier should be good up to 1200fps though I have not tested them that hot. But I have shot a ton of HS-6 in 9mm 6.1 -7.1 with a COAL of 1.115. HS-6 works great in hi pressure rounds like 40 and 9mm. I have found my 9mm loads to be most accurate at about midway to the upper range please work to the upper range very carefully. HS-6 does a great job and will suit you well in 9mm but Power Pistol has become my go to for it. I really would like to have SR4756 you talk about nice shooting but I can never find that powder.

So in order for me it is
Power Pistol
HS-6

Prefer SR4756 but good luck finding that.

Potatohead
December 5, 2013, 08:01 PM
So you like 4756 above PP MrRevolver?

Mr.Revolverguy
December 5, 2013, 08:48 PM
Yes sir it has proven more accurate in my shield and S&W 940 revolver but PP is very close as well as HS-6. Again this is for accuracy not velocity. For velocity PP has the edge.

gamestalker
December 6, 2013, 07:55 PM
I've loaded a lot of HS6 for both .40 and 9mm for quite a long time, love it. Velocities were very good, and I haven't ever had any issues with pressures either.

Start low, and work up. I've worked up to max without having problems, but I'm not suggesting that anyone ever start higher then published start charges. And then work up in small increments to avoid a sudden high pressure situation.

GS

bulletstopz4
January 8, 2014, 05:41 AM
Thanks all. I am pretty pleased with it so far. I am using 6.7 gr and a col of 1.30 and it is working well. I do not have a chrono yet, on the list but accuracy is good or consistent would be a better choice as it depends on the shooter,lol Thanks for all the help.


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gamestalker
January 8, 2014, 03:51 PM
Oop's, I some how missed my previous comment, but I'll add that I don't like the short charge table, which is my only issue with HS6. But even so, it has never spiked at the high end.

GS

tightgroup tiger
January 8, 2014, 05:52 PM
as much as it hurts me to admit it, I get better accuracy from Longshot than HS-6 but that's with a 124/125gr bullet, not a 115gr bullet.


ArchAngleCD, I have to agree with you. I've had better accuracy with heavier doses of Longshot also. I worked up to a maximum load for 9mm with Longshot and it proved to be very accurate in all my 9mms, especially my Shield.

(I know how much you like HS-6 so saying that had to hurt somewhat.)

J_McLeod
January 8, 2014, 11:06 PM
Oop's, I some how missed my previous comment, but I'll add that I don't like the short charge table, which is my only issue with HS6. But even so, it has never spiked at the high end.

GS
Agreed, there's a very short load range for 115gr. It made me think twice about using it, but I've never seen any pressure signs with any of my HS-6 loads.

I also enjoy HS-6 with a 95gr bullet. It's just fun. Fairly accurate too.

gamestalker
January 9, 2014, 12:17 AM
Actually Arch, I prefer Longshot over HS6 as well. But HS6 didn't give me any problems really, it just seemed a to have a tendency to get spikey at upper end velocities, unlike LS. At mid table or less, it ran smooth and cycled the actions just fine.

GS

ArchAngelCD
January 9, 2014, 12:21 AM
Actually Arch, I prefer Longshot over HS6 as well. But HS6 didn't give me any problems really, it just seemed a to have a tendency to get spikey at upper end velocities, unlike LS. At mid table or less, it ran smooth and cycled the actions just fine.

GS
I agree, HS-6 isn't a problem, I just find Longshot to be a little more accurate. If LS was unavailable I could easily live with HS-6. (especially since I'm a huge fan of HS-6/W540)

bani
January 9, 2014, 01:10 AM
HS-6 is currently my favorite 9mm powder. Very forgiving powder which cycles well, burns reasonably cleanly. I use it to push 124gr RMR plated RN.

ArchAngelCD
January 9, 2014, 02:06 AM
HS-6 is currently my favorite 9mm powder. Very forgiving powder which cycles well, burns reasonably cleanly. I use it to push 124gr RMR plated RN.
Are you using a magnum primer in those loads?
Are your charge weights up near the top of the range?

savanahsdad
January 9, 2014, 02:41 AM
HS-6 is my go to for my UZI clone with rem5 1/2 primers and 115 FMJ , I run them through my P89 too

bulletstopz4
January 24, 2014, 06:54 PM
I had to switch to Longshot and now trying my first loads of 5.0 and then 5.7. 5 rds of each. Wish me luck. I have to say the hs-6 metered better for me with the charge bar.



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gamestalker
January 24, 2014, 07:40 PM
I've had years of experience with HS6 in 9mm, 38 spcl, and .40 cal., and it has served very well for my shooting needs with jacketed bullets.

My usual load, although I strongly recommend you always work up from a start charge, is 6.2 grs. with a 115 gr. JHP or FMJ @ and OAL of 1.110" according to my log book. The data I used was for Sierra FMJ's & JHP's and shows a table 5.5 grs. - 7.0 grs.. But as I said, working up is elemental in avoiding a high pressure situation, and this couldn't be more important than in a high pressure cartridge such as 9mm.

Seating depth has a significant effect on pressures, so make sure you do your work up at a constant OAL, or the one you have determined to be functional in your firearm. So if you should change the OAL and or bullet brand / type, always re-work your powder charge accordingly, specifically from a place on the table near, or at the published start charge. Follow these simple guidelines and it will be smooth sailing.

GS

bulletstopz4
February 2, 2014, 09:58 AM
Good advice. The rounds worked fine. The 5.0 was really soft and the 5.7 was what I was looking for. I do want my Hs-6 back as all the load data I had was the way I wanted it. I guess I hate change,lol.
Nothing wrong with long shot as accuracy was good and pressure was fine. No distortion of the primer and recoil was snappy but nice at the 5.7grns.

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