Compact 45 for CCW that isn't a G36 or 1911?


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Elkins45
December 8, 2013, 07:09 PM
Assuming you didn't want a Glock 36 or a 1911 variant, what would you consider the better options for a 45 auto for concealed carry?

I owned a Kahr briefly but found that it severely pinched my trigger finger between the trigger and trigger guard on recoil. I can shoot the G36 just fine but it just doesn't quite fit my hand ergonomically like the Kahr did.

XD? M&P? Sig P-245? I'm thinking I may just make a good IWB holster for my P-220 and invest in some night sights for it. It's not technically a 'compact' gun, but it is essentially the same size as a Glock 19 and some people carry those.

Any thoughts appreciated.

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CNobbe
December 8, 2013, 07:11 PM
Springfield XDS, but Sig P220 Compact would be my choice..

JR47
December 8, 2013, 07:11 PM
Look at the Ruger SR45. Not a Compact, but a smaller gun, that is very slim.

modifiedbrowning
December 8, 2013, 07:30 PM
Check out the Bersa Thunder .45.

Don357
December 8, 2013, 07:33 PM
You might look at the Bersa Thunder UC Pro .45. While for years many have berated Bersa nd put them on the level with Cobra, Raven, Jennings, and the like, Bersa actually makes a fine pistol. I would actually prefer a Bersa over a Glock or S&W as a compact CCW. Just my opinion mind you and I'll probably get flamed for it, but to each their own.

Hawkman
December 8, 2013, 08:47 PM
Xds .45 no contest.

ejfalvo
December 8, 2013, 09:03 PM
I have both the XDs and the P220 Compact. The XDs is the spring/summer and the P220 Compact for the fall/winter - only due to the type of clothes I wear. Both shoot great, little recoil, eats anything I put thru them. Differences: P220 is noticeably heavier and longer slide.

if you are truly looking for a sub-compact, the XDs is the one to get. Mine is post-recoil and IMHO, despite the internet fodder about the "new" trigger, I don't notice any difference pre versus post.

M2 Carbine
December 8, 2013, 09:19 PM
I don't know anything about the SIG P245 but I have the XDS.

The XDS has turned out to be a better gun than I expected.

Size comparison.
XDS is the middle left.

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Compactguns_zpsed568e32.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/Bell-helicopter-407/media/Compactguns_zpsed568e32.jpg.html)

Gadawg88
December 8, 2013, 09:23 PM
XDS is my carry gun. I love it. As others have said shoots very well and is easily concealed iwb. I have mine in a Crossbread mini tuck. I almost forget its on sometimes.

osteodoc08
December 8, 2013, 09:29 PM
M&P line

Middle middle one in M2's pic above

Vodoun da Vinci
December 8, 2013, 09:40 PM
.45 for concealed carry not a 1911 or a Glock? XD-S in .45 would be my choice...will be my choice after the first of the year and I have some money saved up.

VooDoo

TennJed
December 8, 2013, 09:53 PM
I personaly would get a Sig P250 subcompact. Great size, great DAO trigger

beeenbag
December 8, 2013, 10:00 PM
I have the m&p 45 compact and love it!

Armybrat
December 8, 2013, 10:31 PM
Kahr CW45 or P45.

Love my CW45.

wyatte
December 8, 2013, 10:54 PM
H & K USP 45 compact. I just bought one, having had a full size USP many years ago. I liked that gun very much, but as is usually the case, I sold it to a friend. I decided to get the compact USP this time. For a "compact" it is quite large - as big as some company's full size models, but it fits me just right. Now I've got to find the time to go out and shoot it. wyatte

burk
December 8, 2013, 10:57 PM
The Glock 30 SF is probably about the same size as a Sig 220 and the 30S is smaller. I've personally gone the 4" 1911 route, but I'm going to add a 30S at some point in a few years. Dang Glocks always work and are real easy to take care of.

The XD-S is no doubt the smallest 45 ACP package on the market. I'm still not sure they aren't pushing the physics of the cartridge and slide length (the same argument can be made about 3" 1911's), and while I'd consider one, I'd wait a bit to get a better handle on reliability. The recent recall didn't help instill confidence in that platform. Having said that, time may very well prove me wrong.

IdahoHk416
December 8, 2013, 11:05 PM
My EDC gun is a XDs .45, and I love it. It is a great gun.

WYO
December 9, 2013, 10:40 AM
Another vote for the XDs. If that is too small, Glock 30 of some variation (SF, S, Gen 4).

bannockburn
December 9, 2013, 10:58 AM
A friend of mine has a Taurus PT-145 that has been very reliable and easy to conceal.

critter
December 9, 2013, 11:29 AM
I have to add another vote for the XDs. Love mine, even post-recall.

longknife12
December 9, 2013, 11:55 AM
I carry the p250SC. Love it, never had a burp.
Dan

Old Dog
December 9, 2013, 12:25 PM
If not a 1911, I'm a fan of the SIG P-220 Carry. Can be a little hard to find 'em, they're spendy, but a great quality pistol. Also have two Taurus PT-145s (pre-rail versions) that have been 100% reliable, one is tremendously accurate, once the long trigger pull is mastered. I've got an M&P-45C, but would just as soon carry the full-size model; the size-weight-capacity trade-off doesn't make the compact substantially easier to carry or conceal for me.

Briefly owned an XD-S, but frankly, couldn't stand shooting it -- unless it was going to be the only gun I carried, it's so different from even other polymer-framed compact/subcompact pistols, it just wasn't worth keeping it for me. I'll take a larger package, more weight and extra capacity over a pistol that isn't fun to shoot anytime.

JERRY
December 9, 2013, 12:52 PM
Kahr pm45.

dmurdach
December 9, 2013, 01:00 PM
I would add the Taurus 24/7 compact as well. Mine has always functioned flawlessly.

Corpral_Agarn
December 9, 2013, 01:39 PM
Friend has a P220 Compact Equinox that i absolutely love. cannot afford one but if i was looking for a compact .45, that would be my choice.

Thaddeus Jones
December 9, 2013, 01:49 PM
S&W 4513TSW. There are two up for sale on one of the auction boards this AM.

Small - relatively for a compact, it is a 45 afterall - light weight, accurate, easily concealed and bet your life reliable.

The original variant with the 6 round magazine and cut out grip is my preference. Very scarce variant of the 4513TSW as it was only produced for two years and those that own them, keep them.

Hometeached1
December 9, 2013, 01:50 PM
Have a glock 30sf and I like it YMMV. Also have heard good things about the SIG 220 compact.

mavracer
December 9, 2013, 02:36 PM
I love my Kahr CW45 but if that's out then I'd say a Sig P220 compact would be my next shot. I have a full size and it's a great gun.

fastbolt
December 9, 2013, 04:16 PM
If I want to carry a compact .45, I'll usually pull my original 4513TSW from the safe. It's back to wearing the stock factory grips at this time, versus the modified Hogues I made for it and which it's wearing in the picture.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/fastbolt/Oldstyle4513TSWwithstockmagazine.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/fastbolt/media/Oldstyle4513TSWwithstockmagazine.jpg.html)

I'd have bought the standard 457, or the subsequent 457S (stainless slide), but at the time I thought I'd opt for the added features and tighter tolerances of the TSW version. If I were going to replace it with a plastic pistol, it would be with the M&P 45c.

My last issued pistol was the current 4513TSW (bottom of pair), although I'd prefer it without the accessory rail if I had the choice.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/fastbolt/4513TSWpair.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/fastbolt/media/4513TSWpair.jpg.html)

The smaller Sig .45's are pretty decent, too.

777TRUTH
December 11, 2013, 05:29 PM
Of the ones I have spent trigger time with

XDm 3.8 Compact
Glock 30 Gen 4
Glock 30s

In that order.

tmoore912
December 11, 2013, 05:47 PM
S&W M&P 45c is a good choice.

Almost exactly the same size as a compact G19 in length, height and width.

The grip is fantastic and ergonomic, not fat like the Glock 45s.

Elkins45
December 11, 2013, 11:04 PM
S&W M&P 45c is a good choice.

Almost exactly the same size as a compact G19 in length, height and width.

The grip is fantastic and ergonomic, not fat like the Glock 45s.
That interests me, as does the small XD. So does one of the 3rd generation Smiths, but those are unfortunately hard to find.

I wish Kahr made a metal framed version of their 45. I really like my P9 but didn't love the P45.

Thanks for all of the good input and the pix.

TennJed
December 12, 2013, 12:35 AM
Fastbolt, I am jealous

zoom6zoom
December 12, 2013, 12:41 AM
another fan of the SIG 250SC. And you have the advantage of swapping it into a larger grip frame, or doing an easy caliber swap with an x-change kit.

Girodin
December 13, 2013, 11:36 PM
The best one, the HK 45C.

hAkron
December 13, 2013, 11:44 PM
I agree on the 4513TSW original, 6 shot, non-railed. I have one and it's a very easy shooting gun. If you can't find one, look for a S&W 457. Not as nice, but cheaper and more plentiful.

tahunua001
December 13, 2013, 11:59 PM
I personally own an XDM45 compact and love it to death. it is without a doubt the most accurate handgun I own and that's including my 22/45. it has been completely reliable as was it's predecessor, the XDM45 full size. I only got rid of the FS because I didn't want more than one hndgun in the same caliber, I've regretted that trade ever since but at least it's still in the family, in my brother's safe.

I took it out today to test a new brand of ammo I was trying, the first 5 shots all went into a 2 inch group.

mnhntr
December 14, 2013, 12:07 AM
I have been carrying a XDM3.8 45acp for a while now and really like it. 9 or 13rds of 45 in a compact pistol is a treat.

bds
December 14, 2013, 02:53 AM
Compact 45 for CCW that isn't a G36 or 1911?
Another vote for Taurus PT145 Mil Pro with SA/DA trigger (not DAO). I have the stainless slide model and if you are looking for a compact 10 round double-stack 45, you should definitely include the PT145 in your review/comparison.

Although I am a fan of Glock/M&P/Sig pistols but found G30 to be too bulky sized comparable to G19/G23 and much thicker.

The PT145 has slide length on par with G26/G27. I think it has one of the smallest grip/reach to trigger for a double-stack 45ACP.

Glock 27:
WIDTH - 1.18"
LENGTH - 6.29"
HEIGHT - 4.8" (with +1 Pearce mag extension - 4.17" with 9rd factory flush magazine)

Taurus PT145:
WIDTH - 1.25"
LENGTH - 6.125"
HEIGHT - 5.125"

Below is a comparison picture next to G27 with +1 Pearce grip extension.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=126845&stc=1&d=1283178089

I owned a Kahr briefly but found that it severely pinched my trigger finger between the trigger and trigger guard on recoil. I can shoot the G36 just fine but it just doesn't quite fit my hand ergonomically like the Kahr did.
A coworker has G36 and the PT145's controls are much more ergonomic and I can reach them without adjusting my grip, especially the mag release. My wife's smaller hands work the controls well and she likes the grip size/SA trigger. I have over 7000+ rounds shot through my PT145 and it has been reliable, especially with 200 gr SWC reloads.

Tom Fury
December 14, 2013, 08:44 AM
S&W 457; most underrated 45.
TF

lauderdale
December 14, 2013, 10:35 AM
bds, I really like that G27! XDS.45 is my choice as soon as I get it back! Said yesterday it be before Christmas? But My second choice is a brand new S&W M&P 9c I swapped for a S&W M&P 40c I just couldn't hit with bought used? More rounds, it a lil colder out, e-z to conceal, and can I shoot very very well w/IT! Going to wait for the 2014'S to see what the new XDS's look like? Maybe380single stack? Just cause i'am reloading 380.

CA Raider
December 14, 2013, 02:33 PM
question ... is a compact 45 an effective weapon? not trying to start a war here ... just the facts. is the barrel length enough to get good terminal performance from the bullet? is a compact 45 really better than a carry-9mm or 380? has anyone seen any data or studies on this?

CA R

gym
December 14, 2013, 07:33 PM
XDS and Glock 30s.

bensdad
December 14, 2013, 07:49 PM
Taurus MilProPT145. Better gun than most give it credit for being.

Fleetman
December 14, 2013, 07:56 PM
My vote would be the PM45 as well....a good gunsmith could remedy the trigger pinch problem with a little shortening

crstrode
December 14, 2013, 08:26 PM
Surprised no mention of hte Firestar M$%.

A bit heavy, but a very nice shooting 45.

Solid as tank

TarDevil
December 14, 2013, 08:53 PM
M&P line

Middle middle one in M2's pic above
^^^

mavracer
December 15, 2013, 01:11 PM
question ... is a compact 45 an effective weapon? not trying to start a war here ... just the facts. is the barrel length enough to get good terminal performance from the bullet? is a compact 45 really better than a carry-9mm or 380?
What make you think a 45 looses more effectiveness when going to a shorter barrel. A 45 works fine from a 3.5" ish barrel it's still going to leave bigger holes than a 3.5" ish 9mm or 380.

bds
December 16, 2013, 03:16 AM
question ... is a compact 45 an effective weapon? not trying to start a war here ... just the facts.
For me, accuracy is everything. A weapon becomes more effective if the defender is able to hit the intended target(s) fast and at point of aim repeatedly. I think the most effective weapon is a pistol that a shooter is comfortable with and able to produce consistent accuracy fast, regardless of the brand/caliber/size.

The question I would ask, are you able to effectively hit your target(s) with a compact 45? Because no matter how effective a cartridge is, if you can't hit your target(s), the bullets won't be able to do their job on the target(s).

Although I started with 9mm/45ACP, I found I was able to achieve proficiency with 40S&W using Glock 22 (which became my match pistol). When I found I could shoot the subcompact G27 as well as the G22, it became my carry weapon.

I was always fond of 45ACP and was surprised when I was able to shoot a compact Taurus PT145 (with SA trigger) well. It has natural point of aim as Sig 226/220 I had and all the controls are more ergonomic than the Glock controls which I have learned to adapt to. The PT145 sights line up to whatever I point at so all I have to do is press the trigger.

I test my natural point of aim by closing my eyes and pointing the pistol at the target and firing. If intended POA matches POI, then I have a natural pointing pistol that may come in handy when I do not have clear sight picture and have to resort to point shooting.

40S&W 165 gr JHP has higher rated muzzle energy than 45ACP 185 gr JHP and both G27 and PT145 hold 10 rounds in the magazine (G27 has +1 mag base). Although I lean towards G27 for being a more effective weapon because I can use 40-9 conversion barrel to shoot 9mm and get more trigger time, I feel comfortable carrying the PT145.

Of course, this is for me. You may be comfortable with different pistols and able to shoot effectively and fast with different pistols.

mavracer
December 16, 2013, 11:47 AM
For me, accuracy is everything.
Apparently not when it comes to attributing quotes.
I think the most effective weapon is a pistol that a shooter is comfortable with and able to produce consistent accuracy fast, regardless of the brand/caliber/size.
Then everyone should use a 22.

The question I would ask, are you able to effectively hit your target(s) with a compact 45? Because no matter how effective a cartridge is, if you can't hit your target(s), the bullets won't be able to do their job on the target(s).
Of course but that is a separate question from.
is the barrel length enough to get good terminal performance from the bullet?
And you have to address the terminal performance question separately so you can determine the value of speed and accuracy.

Dean1818
December 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
Another vote for m&p 45 compact

Ewcmr2
December 16, 2013, 04:41 PM
Another vote for Taurus PT145 Mil Pro with SA/DA trigger (not DAO). I have the stainless slide model and if you are looking for a compact 10 round double-stack 45, you should definitely include the PT145 in your review/comparison.

+2. I have a PT-745 (single stack) and it is much better than expected. I did have the "mag drop" issue. Taurus replaced the mag catch & spring less than a week. Since repair it has been flawless for 600 rounds.
One of my sons little college co-ed friends preferred the PT-745 over a Beretta M9. Smaller gun fitting her hand trumped less 9mm recoil.

Ks5shooter
December 16, 2013, 05:48 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHbK-KYN3UIGiyMXGWK6MrCkwuW_pzjyTKUp1nc9qzTTEaDERH Been eying up one of these STI Elektra in 45 acp.

Averageman
December 18, 2013, 01:58 PM
H&K USPC in .45acp.
I dont think thee is a better compact .45.

MR835
December 19, 2013, 01:33 PM
Fastbolt, You hit my first choice on the with the S&W 4513TSW non railed.
Then would be the 4516-2. These have been my BET MY LIFE ON for A LONG time.
SAFE SHOOTING ALWAYS

MR835 IS GONE

BRE346
December 19, 2013, 01:39 PM
The Taurus 145 is a compact package that many find excellent.

powder
December 20, 2013, 04:04 PM
Assuming you didn't want a Glock 36 or a 1911 variant, what would you consider the better options for a 45 auto for concealed carry?

Well, those ARE actually 2 that are mainstays in my rotation.

If S&W makes a 45c, that's what it'd be.

HankR
December 20, 2013, 04:09 PM
I'd wait and see how the Ruger SR45c measures up.

gym
December 20, 2013, 06:17 PM
CZ, XDS, Kahr, M&P, and on and on. Look at the CZ first.

sabre452
December 21, 2013, 12:59 AM
I have been through the following before settling on the Kahr P45 - S&W CS45, Taurus PT145, Sig 245 (old version of 220-C), HK USPC, Colt Defender and Glock 30.

I EDC the Kahr P45 and still have the HK USPC and Colt Defender. All worked very well and I was pleased with all of them. The Kahr is tough to beat for EDC ergonomics - very easy to carry and conceal. A handful to shoot at extended range sessions, but accurate and reliable so far for me.

The PT145 and CS45 both had very good ergonomics as well. The 245 and USP-C are a bit on the large / heavy side but very good weapons.

Good luck with your choice, but there are a lot of great alternatives in this class to the Glock or 1911 - btw I really enjoy shooting the Defender - very classy piece.

KSDeputy
December 21, 2013, 11:35 AM
I carry a S&W Chief's Special, in .45acp. Semi-auto, alloy frame, short barrel, holds 7 rounds, including one in the chamber. I have carried this pistol for many years, qualified with it many times. I also have a Tactical Series pistol, which is slightly heavier. I keep it by the bed.

larryh1108
December 21, 2013, 04:24 PM
ANother vote for the PT145.
Compact, light and 10 rounds of .45ACP.
I find it accurate in my hands, too.
Throw in a decent price and you have a winner.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/Taurus/PT145left.jpg (http://s342.photobucket.com/user/larryh1108/media/Taurus/PT145left.jpg.html)

TheWorstKind
December 21, 2013, 09:04 PM
Another vote for the Bersa 45 Thunder UC. Been carrying it for 4 years, IWB, appendix. It shoots everything. I do "wear-in" every semi-auto with 200 rounds of FMJ before using HPs. The Bersa has had zero reliability issues in 2500 rounds - not a single malfunction! Sights are spot-on, and they can be replaced with SigSauer #8 (I think) sized sights. The trigger in DA is good, and excellent in SA.

RainDodger
December 21, 2013, 10:10 PM
I'm also in the XDs camp. I just picked one up about a month ago and I have ~300 rounds through it with no malfunctions whatsoever. It's easier to handle than I thought it would be - center mass shots at reasonable ranges are no problem.

It is NOT a range gun though - it's not a pleasant target gun. It will do it's job very well though, and it's very nice to carry. I have one nit to pick with it - the trigger is not light at all. I can't tell you the pull weight because it maxes out a Lyman digital gauge, which measures up to 12 pounds. I've ordered a Powder River spring kit for my XDs, which is supposed to bring it down to something like 5.5 pounds. Much more reasonable.

I'm thinking seriously of carrying the XDs instead of the Kimber Pro Carry that I've carried for years.

huntincowboy
December 21, 2013, 10:22 PM
I carry a Glock 30 sf. It just conceals so well for me and has a higher capacity than my 1911 in a more compact package.

the.batman
December 22, 2013, 09:10 AM
I carried a Springfield Micro Compact for a few years. Gun had to be tweaked to get it running right, but after that it ran very well.

kymarkh
December 22, 2013, 09:46 AM
Many good choices in this thread. The HK45c has been my carry pistol for a few years now. With flat magazine base plates installed it's almost the exact same size as a G19. It's small enough to conceal yet large enough that I can get a full grip to control it and shoot it well at speed.

Safety First
December 22, 2013, 06:41 PM
Kahr P45...light in weight, thin, that will be my next .45 carry for CCW

wojownik
December 22, 2013, 06:54 PM
p245/p220 Compact. I had a p245 some years ago that I foolishly traded away.

I have a p220 Carry, which is still hefty. I have my eyes on the p227 Carry, pending real world feedback whenever it hits the market.

Girodin
December 27, 2013, 02:25 AM
H&K USPC in .45acp.
I dont think thee is a better compact .45.

How about the one designed to remedy its flaws while keeping its good qualities, the HK 45C. If I believed carrying a .45 ACP was an advantage over 9x19 this is the gun I'd carry. As it is, as much as I love the HK45 C, and as great a gun as it is, its hard for me to make a rationale argument for it over a very similarly sized glock 19 as a defensive pistol (particularly if cost is any kind of concern and/or would divert resources that could be dedicated to training).

Most folks would be way better off with the G19 (or similar) and a quality training class under their belt than with just having bought a HK45C.

wheelyfun66
December 28, 2013, 07:39 AM
Springfield XDS, but Sig P220 Compact would be my choice..
Funny you should say that....
I just bought both of those and am awaiting shipment!

Highland Ranger
December 28, 2013, 08:18 AM
Boberg is introducing a 45 in 2014. Already taking pre-orders.

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