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BlindJustice
December 11, 2013, 11:11 AM
Wish List of S&W Revolvers I'd like to see produced

S&W Model 6?? an L-Frame
in 10mm/.40 S&W 3" 4" or 5" Bbl Llen.s

S&W 25 'Classic" in .45 ACP not .45 Colt
and 4" or 6 1/2" like it should be

S&W 617 3" and 5"

S&W 616 in .327 Fed Mag .

Anybody else?

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bannockburn
December 11, 2013, 12:06 PM
How about an L frame size revolver in .41 Magnum and/or .44 Special? Don't know if it's possible but I sure would definitely be interested in getting them both.

StrawHat
December 11, 2013, 03:47 PM
I've always been partial to 4" barreled 45ACP revolvers.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc194/StrawHat/IMGP1415-1.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/StrawHat/media/IMGP1415-1.jpg.html)

I like mine with the skinny barrel.

W.E.G.
December 11, 2013, 03:49 PM
Neat "wish list."

But you do realize that for them to produce such a thing in the "old way," you would be looking at around a grand per copy.

That's a really thin market.

Sam1911
December 11, 2013, 03:56 PM
S&W Model 6?? an L-Frame
in 10mm/.40 S&W 3" 4" or 5" Bbl Llen.s

They could call it the 646 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_646).

Cardboard_killer
December 11, 2013, 04:03 PM
N-frame 22 revolver firing 16 rounds.

WC145
December 11, 2013, 04:04 PM
You guys aren't looking hard enough, some of those guns are already available.

They made the L frame 646 in .40 S&W in two runs - 400 PC guns in 2000 (IIRC) and 300 non-PC guns in 2003. They were not well rec'd at the time but command premium prices today.

They also made the 296 and 696, and a couple of different versions of the 396, all L frame .44spls.

Nice, original 25-2 .45ACP revolvers are readily available one the used market in the $600-$800 range. IMO, an original gun without the internal lock would be far more desirable than a "Classic" new one with the IL.

JTQ
December 11, 2013, 04:55 PM
I'm sure it's probably not physically possible, but I'd like a 6 shot L-Frame in .45Auto.

BlindJustice
December 11, 2013, 05:05 PM
I was aware and have a friend with a 696 .44 Spcl it's
a five shooter cyl.

Was the 646 a 6 shot cyl.?

I think WC145 just talked me into shopping for a used 25-2
& get the barrel shortened from 6.5" to 4" or 5"
I had a 25-2 30 or so years ago and regret selling that one.

I have a 625 5" bbl.so I've got the moon clips and
a bunch of .45 AR.

Sometimes people ask for a .45 L frame but the Cylinder
isn't big enough in diameter so it's stuck in N frames only

R-

Bullet Bob
December 11, 2013, 05:45 PM
The 646's indeed had 6 shot, titanium cylinders.

http://www.fototime.com/5FC54F2C512EF6E/standard.jpg

The above is the non-PC version, the PC one had a barrel contour sorta like this 686 (.357) Pro series model:

http://www.fototime.com/ED87F924AE4BBE4/standard.jpg

SharpsDressedMan
December 11, 2013, 07:11 PM
I want a modern copy of the S&W Hand Ejector used in "Raiders of the Lost Ark". It could be .45 Colt or .45ACP, or offered as either. Swivel, blued, ramp sight, skinny barrel, and NO LOCK. ....................................................... xxxx ................................ http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05648.jpg (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/matquig/media/DSC05648.jpg.html)

Hondo 60
December 11, 2013, 07:31 PM
I wish they still made the 581 - blue .357 Mag with fixed sights.

I don't know why, but the fixed sighted models have always called me.
Maybe someday I'll actually save enough to buy one. ;)

Bullet Bob
December 11, 2013, 07:57 PM
"I want a modern copy of the S&W Hand Ejector used in "Raiders of the Lost Ark". It could be .45 Colt or .45ACP, or offered as either. Swivel, blued, ramp sight, skinny barrel, and NO LOCK. "

Like the 2001 Heritage models, and with blued or case hardened frames?

I took the swivel off mine to have the grips fitted that you see here:

http://www.fototime.com/71941B0144C9E8C/standard.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/769F269DF4B5320/standard.jpg

SharpsDressedMan
December 11, 2013, 08:38 PM
^^^Close. We still need a 4" version with ramp sight, and square butt.

greenlion
December 11, 2013, 08:58 PM
I could write a book on "I wish S&W would..."

I would settle for a couple of reissue 4" models 66 and 629 without the frickin lock on them.

tomrkba
December 11, 2013, 09:10 PM
...make a better internal firing pin that doesn't break from too much dry fire (even with Snap Caps).

They have the K-Frame in the 2013 catalog in the form of the Model 10, 18, 48, 64, 67 and 617.

NMPOPS
December 11, 2013, 10:24 PM
I'd justlike them to get rid of the lock and re-introduce the M65.

Kernel
December 11, 2013, 11:22 PM
I'd just like them to get rid of the lock

This.

Murcielago
December 12, 2013, 12:34 AM
This.

Ditto!

TennJed
December 12, 2013, 12:50 AM
Snub nose 454 or 460. The Ruger Alaskan needs some competition



And the 3rd Gen autos while we are at it

JTQ
December 12, 2013, 01:45 AM
And the 3rd Gen autos while we are at it
Apparently, if you order enough of them, you can still get them.

http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/news/2011/08/16/west-virginia-state-police-and-wyoming-highway-patrol-adopt-s-w-pistols.aspx

ArchAngelCD
December 12, 2013, 04:38 AM
I wish they would re-release their M625 Mountain Gun in 45 Colt.

I know they will probably never eliminate the ILS but I also wish they would at lease make their Classic Line as they were made in the past, without that unsightly hole in the side plate.

Lastly, I would like S&W to produce a small alloy frame carry snub nose w/6 rounds of .38 Special like the Colt Cobra. I own a DS and the size doesn't bother me but I don't like the weight. One in alloy like the Cobra or even the Agent would be a great revolver to have on the market again. (especially since the snub nose K frames are no longer in production) If they can make an 8 round .357 Magnum snub nose "N" frame (M327) they can bring back the 6 round "I" frame too.

460Kodiak
December 12, 2013, 08:54 AM
How about an L frame size revolver in .41 Magnum and/or .44 Special?

I like the .41 mag idea. Yeah the 296, 396, and 696 were made, but are now hard to find. I'm guessing bannockburn meant in current productionand readily available.

I'd kind of like to see an X-frame in 460 or 500 with a 6.5 inch bbl, with the weighted bbl system that the PC Competitor guns use.

Also, a 7 or 8 shot X-frame in .44 magnum would be really cool.

Snub nose 454 or 460.

They made a snub nosed 460 and I think it had a 2.5 inch bbl. I don't think it sold real well.

km101
December 12, 2013, 11:05 AM
Wish S&W would...

Discontinue the key locks....I know that they probably wont do this, as it is not politically correct, but I hate that ugly flaw on an otherwise good looking gun!

Make the J frame in a 6 shot version in 38 spl.

Driftwood Johnson
December 12, 2013, 06:45 PM
Howdy

Frankly, I couldn't care less. There are so many terrific used Smiths out there. No locks, no MIM parts. And most of them are a bargain compared to what a new Smith costs.

SharpsDressedMan
December 12, 2013, 09:16 PM
Driftwood, you just HAD to tell everyone, didn't you!!!!!:banghead: Now there will be more people trying to snatch them up.

Driftwood Johnson
December 12, 2013, 10:08 PM
Oooops............sorry. Forget I said it.

Keep buying all those new ones. They are really much better than the old ones.

Magnuumpwr
December 12, 2013, 10:28 PM
I second 460Kodiak in post #23. A S&W X frame 7 or 8 shot 44 mag

BSA1
December 12, 2013, 10:51 PM
How about an L frame size revolver in .41 Magnum and/or .44 Special? Don't know if it's possible but I sure would definitely be interested in getting them both.

I'm sure it's probably not physically possible, but I'd like a 6 shot L-Frame in .45Auto.

What IS possible is a L-Frame 6 shot 41 Special. The 41 Special is currently a wildcat round but if S&W would chamber it it would become a commercial round.

C0untZer0
December 12, 2013, 10:55 PM
Bring back the Model 19 with 3" barrels

Chamber the Bodygaurd in .32 ACP

Sam1911
December 13, 2013, 07:00 AM
What IS possible is a L-Frame 6 shot 41 Special. The 41 Special is currently a wildcat round but if S&W would chamber it it would become a commercial round.

I'd rather see a .40 Auto Rim.

Brian Williams
December 13, 2013, 07:09 AM
S&W 581 with a 3" barrel and round grip
and bring back the standard barrel commonly called the pencil barrel
S&W 13 with a 3" tapered barrel.

A Model 12 in 9mm with a 4" tapered barrel and round grip

skoro
December 13, 2013, 08:19 AM
...get rid of those damned locks. I've only owned two S&W revolvers with the lock and never experienced any problems. But it's just one more thing to possibly go wrong with something no one can afford to have anything go wrong with, especially in a carry piece.

S&W, what are you thinking? :rolleyes:

RealGun
December 13, 2013, 08:29 AM
Polish out their cast triggers and hammers to better match the SS models. Enough with the fake look of hammer forged, color case hardened.

Stevel
December 13, 2013, 08:49 AM
Lightweight 4" K or L frame. Whether metal or polymer doesn't matter.
Bring back the 386.
Lose the ignition switch on all guns.

460Kodiak
December 13, 2013, 08:54 AM
Polish out their cast triggers and hammers to better match the SS models.

+1 on that

jcv
December 13, 2013, 09:33 AM
I'd like a 6 shot J frame in .32 h&r magnum and a 3" barrel.

Hometeached1
December 13, 2013, 10:36 AM
I would like to have a Scandium K-frame in .357 with a 2.5", 3" barrel. No locks. and lastly a K-frame in .327 mag with a 2.5"-4" barrel.

mooner
December 13, 2013, 12:13 PM
Another vote for no locks.

StrawHat
December 13, 2013, 04:01 PM
I'd rather see a .40 Auto Rim.
Are you talking about the 45 AR necked to 40 or a true 40 AR?

Sam1911
December 13, 2013, 06:01 PM
Naw, just a .40 with a rim for all the 646 and 610 owners out there.

Of course, that would make a nice compliment to a .41 Special. :)

wheelyfun66
December 13, 2013, 07:56 PM
K frame snubs like the 19/66 with no lock.

model 25 with 2.5" barrel in 45ACP

keep the Nightguard series alive

Jaymo
December 13, 2013, 08:46 PM
Wish Smith would.....
Ditch the IL, MIM, and frame mounted firing pin.
In other words, start making Smith & Wesson revolvers again.

Bringing back the really nice high polish blue would be nice, too.

Gimme a 4", blue, 586-nothing any day.

Bring back the model 16 K-32.

Bring back the P&R model 19 and the 15-3, both 4" and snub.

TennJed
December 13, 2013, 09:42 PM
Everybody hates the lock, but it doesn't bother me. I wish S&W would put 2 locks in, make people hate them even more. Let the price fall to below Taurus levels, and I would buy the crap out of them

Twiki357
December 14, 2013, 12:37 AM
A 4 inch "X" frame 50 Mag that costs less than the amout of my social security check.

P5 Guy
December 14, 2013, 04:32 PM
Make an all stainless steel 44 SPL on the "L" frame, with a 3 inch barrel.
Would a 41MAG fit in the "L" frame? As a five shooter?

camsdaddy
December 14, 2013, 09:30 PM
I would love an 4" air weight k frame in 38 or 357

RealGun
December 15, 2013, 10:16 AM
Make an all stainless steel 44 SPL on the "L" frame, with a 3 inch barrel.
Would a 41MAG fit in the "L" frame? As a five shooter?

Good idea. The .44 Spl is in question too and would likely be a 5 shot, which is okay for concealability.

My Taurus 430 (discontinued) is what you describe and is 5 shot.http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac5/at_liberty/Guns/pix748273681.jpg (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/at_liberty/media/Guns/pix748273681.jpg.html)

Charter Arms is now left with that whole market.

GEM
December 15, 2013, 12:46 PM
A 942 in Scandium frame with the 547 extractor system.

Or a SS 547 re-issue.

But they would probably be out of my price range.

Jaymo
December 15, 2013, 08:12 PM
.41 mag 5 shot L frame should be doable. It has the same case length and overal length as .357 mag.
How well the L frame would hold up to it, I don't know.

For that matter, .44 Mag should be doable. Once again, don't know how well the L frame cylinder and forcing cone would hold up.

ISTR reading about L frame .44 Specials having problems with cracked forcing cones.

Shame, since Taurus made K frame sized .44 Spls and mine never had any problems, even after shooting the snot out of it.

Wish I'd never sold it.

But, I wanted to move up to .44 Mag at the time.
Now, I'm more interested in shooting .44 Spl.

DM~
December 16, 2013, 04:05 PM
My S&W M-19 "K" frame, 44spl. works just fine, so i don't see why an "L" frame wouldn't?

Of course, it's a "spl." not a magnum, and that's the way i treat it!

DM

SleazyRider
December 16, 2013, 04:14 PM
I wish S&W would make available those blue cardboard boxes with the metal corners and protective paper inside for guns in my collection that happen to be missing a box. For a while Colt had replacement boxes available, but I see that source has dried up.

Jaymo
December 16, 2013, 08:54 PM
DM, who did the conversion of your 19?
Since owning a Taurus 431, I'm rather enamored of the idea of a 5 shot K frame .44 Spl.
The stout loads I ran through mine were not Elmer Keith stout.
They were more like Skeeter Skelton's loads.
I was running 240 grain SWCs around 900 FPS.
I don't see where it would hurt a K frame, since it's the same size as my old bull.

My 2.5" 66-1 and my 4" 10-6 would make some sweet .44 Spls.
If my Charter Bulldog can stand up to .44 Spl, my S&W K frames should handle it even better, being bigger/stronger/more durable.

I'd love to have a K frame .44 Spl with the firing pin where it belongs, on the hammer.
I guess the Rossi 720/721 qualify, but I can't find one locally.
I wish they hadn't dropped them from the lineup.
Then again, I wish Rossi and Taurus were two separate entities.
I think both made better guns back then.

Hmm, how 'bout a 3" HB model 10 or 13 converted to .44 Spl?
I'd like that.

Then again, A 4" or 6" 586 no dash, converted to .44 Spl would make me happy.
I just can't do that to mine, until I find a better example to keep stock.

StrawHat
December 17, 2013, 06:49 AM
Jaymo,

I know a company in Spokane Washington was doing 44 Special conversions on "K" frames in the last century but I am not sure if they are still in business. Okay, I just searched and they are out of business. Too bad, they did good work.

DM~
December 17, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jaymo,

I know a company in Spokane Washington was doing 44 Special conversions on "K" frames in the last century but I am not sure if they are still in business. Okay, I just searched and they are out of business. Too bad, they did good work.

The guy doing that work, last i heard is semi retired, and now only does work for the goverment... He was truely a "master pistol smith" and did mine for me.

DM

Eaglestroker
December 17, 2013, 12:26 PM
3" 10 shot 617 would get my vote. That would be a lot of fun.

Kurastduuks
December 17, 2013, 06:04 PM
Hmmm I wish smith & wesson would stop making delicate revolvers in traditional magnum chamberings and would apply their excellent fit and finish to a stout product:neener:


Just kidding guys dont crucify me!

But seriously

Gun Master
December 17, 2013, 08:00 PM
Howdy

Frankly, I couldn't care less. There are so many terrific used Smiths out there. No locks, no MIM parts. And most of them are a bargain compared to what a new Smith costs.
Amen ! :)

RealGun
December 18, 2013, 08:40 AM
There are just some topics that weren't meant for people to step on. When one attacks the premise and adds no value, it's a sure sign of being off topic and needing to let it pass.

I think we know that there are many elitists among older subscribers and collectors. Talking about future offerings by S&W would probably exclude them.

Driftwood Johnson
December 18, 2013, 09:06 AM
There are just some topics that weren't meant for people to step on. When one attacks the premise and adds no value, it's a sure sign of being off topic and needing to let it pass.

I think we know that there are many elitists among older subscribers and collectors. Talking about future offerings by S&W would probably exclude them.

Sometimes mentioning an alternative to the original premise of the topic lets folks know there are other avenues to pursue. Many of the posts I have seen on this thread have to do with locks and other relatively new features that S&W has been adding recently. If you look for used, you can avoid those things.

I was at a major gun show last Saturday and I saw more terrific old Smiths than I could shake a stick at. Most of them were available for very good prices, much less expensive than anything new. Sometimes new shooters are leery about buying a used gun because they do not feel they have the expertise to know if it is in good condition. A little hands on research at a major gun show is an excellent place to start the process.

Face it folks, locks and MIM parts are not going to go away on Smiths. It is just not going to happen.

Old Fuff
December 18, 2013, 12:36 PM
I think we know that there are many elitists among older subscribers and collectors. Talking about future offerings by S&W would probably exclude them.

Yup, and I'm one of them. ;)

Anyway, the real problem is that with the exception of some .38 Special and .357 Magnum snubbies, S&W's revolver sales are relatively slow and dropping. On the other hand the demand for pistols with hi-cap magazines and small pocket pistols is out of sight, and those with polymer frames offer the company higher profits then any revolver because they are less expensive to make.

So they aren't going to spend much time on new revolvers that have limited appeal. The best one can hope for is something out of the Performance Center or a limited run for a particular distributor.

Now if the company was flooded with mail asking for something they might give it some more then usual consideration, but daydreaming posts on this thread are unlikely to reach them.

mdauben
December 18, 2013, 03:03 PM
A non-JM Model 625 in 4 and/or 3 inch barrel. Without a lock. :p

A Model 617 in non-underlug 6 inch barrel. Without a lock. :p

iyn
December 31, 2013, 03:24 AM
686, 9mm, 7 shot, 3" barrel or j frame 9mm, 3" barrel

RealGun
December 31, 2013, 06:49 AM
So they aren't going to spend much time on new revolvers that have limited appeal.

Well, they jumped on the Judge thing, didn't they? They also find a his/hers niche with various offerings in 357 Magnum, quietly being shot as .38 Special. They are also heavy into the pink thing.

It's not like the guns are languishing on dealer shelves.

Grant you, silly notions of dropping trigger locks and doing pistol calibers, when revolver calibers are better, are not likely to be more than tongue-in-cheek fantasies. Those going on and on about trigger locks are not interested in new guns anyway.

Driftwood Johnson
December 31, 2013, 09:51 AM
Well, they jumped on the Judge thing, didn't they? They also find a his/hers niche with various offerings in 357 Magnum, quietly being shot as .38 Special. They are also heavy into the pink thing.

Yeah, they jumped on the Judge thing alright. One of the dumbest revolvers they ever made. I paid $25 on a raffle ticket for one last year. That's all I would spend for one of those things. And the Pink thing, don't get me started.

I'll just keep looking for used, thanks very much.

Old Fuff
December 31, 2013, 10:40 AM
Well, they jumped on the Judge thing, didn't they? They also find a his/hers niche with various offerings in 357 Magnum, quietly being shot as .38 Special. They are also heavy into the pink thing.

Having spent a lot of money developing and tooling the huge X-frame, they will occasionally come up with a conversation model offering. That said sale numbers have not been showstoppers when compared to polymer autoloaders.

I presume the .357 Magnums you referred to are the ones made on small J-frames. I agree that in terms of revolver sales they are a bright spot, but again sales and profits are short of .380 and 9mm polymer/nylon frame pocket pistols.

Pink handguns are of course aimed at lady shoppers, or gentlemen who are buying for a woman. Some of the fair gender likes them, while others despise it as being condescending. In any case S&W hasnít released any sales figures.

I would be delighted if S&W and other manufacturers increased their lines of current revolvers with entirely new offerings, but when top management looks at the overall market and production costs these arenít where the market is today, nor the direction itís going.

RealGun
December 31, 2013, 08:03 PM
How is it that you are able to speak for S&W with such assurance?

brutus51
January 1, 2014, 02:22 PM
Maybe their revolver sale wouldn't be waning if they got rid of the stupid lock.
I for one will never buy a gun with a lock, it's a solution to a non existent problem. :mad:
Sad really, I would love a .44 mountain gun or a 4" 686 and would have, in all probability, purchased both by now if it weren't for the lock.
I find myself hoping CZ will resurrect the Dan Wesson line which has more of a chance than Smith getting rid of the lock.

Sam1911
January 1, 2014, 03:41 PM
If you really need a .44 Mountain gun or a 4" 686, then the only person you're hurting by not buying one is you. The lock certainly is a "solution to a non-existent problem" for most users, but it is easily rendered inoperable and the gun works 100% just like any other. If those are guns you need, then those will do exactly what you want and not buying them is a pyrrhic move on your part.

Or maybe this is the sort of gun forum thing folks say, "Oh, I'd buy two or three or a dozen if they'd just lose the lock ... for sure, maybe, someday." Well, there's a reason S&W doesn't cater to that corner of the market, much. (Now they have made a few recent no-lock guns, assumedly to test out how massively their revolver sales will jump if they delete the "Hillary hole." They must be worried they won't be able to meet the skyrocketing demand if they ditch the locks from the whole line at once. ;))

To say that S&W would sell noticeably more revolvers if they got rid of the lock is a non-starter. They most certainly would sell a few dozen more to the handful of folks who a) care about the lock, and b) are in the market for a new revolver, and c) aren't perfectly content scouring the used market, convinced that the only good wheelguns were those made years ago. Most people buying revolvers these days haven't ever thought about the lock, probably never even noticed it before, and when it is pointed out to them say, "Oh, ok, I could lock it up. Cool." The lock does not hurt sales.

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