S&W 1006 - How Good Is It ?


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Rogomay
March 28, 2004, 09:29 PM
Been thinking for a while about getting a 10 MM and I have never owned a S&W. How does the 1006 hold up to the 10MM round or should I look to Colt or Dan Wesson ? Thanks in advance.

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stans
March 28, 2004, 09:41 PM
1006 is supposed to be the biggest, strongest 10mm produced. The 1911's hold up very well to ammo that does not exceed SAMMI specs. The 1006 is considered to be the platform of choice for pushing the 10mm to its limits. One word of note, the grip on the big Smiths is BIG! Much larger than 1911's. Also, there seem to be few custom parts for the Smiths as opposed to the market for 1911's.

Marcus
March 28, 2004, 09:48 PM
How good is it? Very good. :) It`s one of my "never sell" guns. It`s arguably the strongest,most durable 10mm pistol ever made. The 1911 based 10mms can hold up fine if they`re properly sprung and lockup is perfect but they`ll still have a shorter service life. The Glock 20 is a very durable pistol but it`s got an unsupported chamber. With the big Smith load up on any factory ammo you like and shoot till your heart`s content. Even with hot handloads it`ll be fine. A big stouter recoil spring (#20) would be a nice touch if you wanna shoot a LOT of HOT loads but that`s it. The trigger is a little different than a 1911,there`s a little takeup in SA mode but the pull and break are quite nice on mine. Accuracy is quite good and it soaks up the hottest loads very well. In short,go for it! :) PS. I just saw the last post. Sorry but I beg to differ on one point. The grip of the Smith is not larger than a 1911. In fact it`s quite a bit *slimmer* than a 1911 (just under 1.1" thick at it`s widest point). Marcus

NordicG3K
March 28, 2004, 10:55 PM
S&W 10xx series = tank

The accuracy potential of a 1911 10mm might be a little better, but you can't beat the S&W 10xx for durability and reliability. Awesome guns and they can still be found at reasonable prices.

Parker Dean
March 28, 2004, 11:10 PM
A friend picked up a 1006 this last Christmas at my urging. It was used, and at a gun show believe it or not.

I have a hard time with most guns since the 1911 grip is borderline too big for me, but I didn't have any problem with the 1006 despite it's DA trigger. The gun ran 100 percent with anything we chose to feed it.

We did an informal contest between his 1006 and my RZ-10. We found that both of us were just a hair better with the RZ than the Smith in the accuracy department. Most of the difference could be attributed to the trigger on the Smith. We both tended to get a first shot flyer due to the DA first round.

I've since added a 1006 to my short list :)

Alan Fud
March 29, 2004, 03:55 AM
One of the LAST guns that I would ever part with ...
http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f32.jpg
... S&W really needs to give SERIOUS consideration to making these guns again.

Lennyjoe
March 29, 2004, 10:34 AM
I absolutely love mine.

Picked it up used for $400. Put Hogue rubbers on it, a new trigger return spring and drawbar plunger spring.

I currently have it stoked with Winchester Silver Tip JHP but am gonna order some Double-Tap ammo this week for it.

I picked it up for a field gun and it rides great in a Bianchi Accumold holster.

Sean Smith
March 29, 2004, 10:45 AM
1006 is supposed to be the biggest, strongest 10mm produced.

Well, except for the Star Megastar. That thing is HUGE. :eek:

agtman
March 29, 2004, 12:33 PM
Ditto what Marcus, Nordic, Alan, etc., said.

The 5" barrelled 1006 is an excellent choice for a 10mm pistol, giving up a little bit of concealability to its shorter, "Commander"-sized S&W cousins, the 4.25" 1076 & 1066 models.

But it's durable, reliable and VERY accurate with most factory ammo. The 1006's size and weight really soak up the recoil of the hotter 10mm loads. Capacity is 10-rds (9+1) of no B.S. 10mm firepower.

For its size, though, I find it to be a slim-packing gun, and not much harder to conceal in a quality shoulder holster or IWB than a 5" 1911. (Depends a lot on your build and choice of clothing, IMO).

Different factory grips are available (arched or straight-back) to suit your hand-size, as are the soft rubber Hogue's. At least with the fixed sight models, you can set it up with Novak's or Trijicon's.

If you get the opportunity to grab one in decent shape at a reasonable price, jump on it.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-12/73942/agtman_sw1006.jpg

:cool:

ny32182
March 29, 2004, 12:35 PM
I've actually begun to develop an interest in the 1006 recently, but I've never bought a discontinued gun before. How would you guys go about ensuring that you get a good one if you have to buy it used online from gunbroker or some similar place? Are there any left NIB anywhere? What would be a fair price for on in 99% condition?

agtman
March 29, 2004, 12:48 PM
Well, there are always risks to buying any gun over the internet "sight unseen."

Just based on the frequency of the posts here and on other 10mm-related boards, people are still finding them NIB or nearly so. I've seen a lot of posts by people finding "excellent-condition" 10mm S&Ws that look barely shot. But the number of still-NIB S&W 10mms is probably dwindling fast.

Even if a 1006 has been shot a lot, a call to S&W (along with telling them your gun's serial #) will get you a courteous and prompt shipment of parts, or you can return the pistol to them for refurbishing.

Nothing's ever broken on my S&Ws, but I know that Smith will fix the problem if I have one, or send the parts to me for my local, S&W-knowledgable 'smith to do here.

ny32182
March 29, 2004, 02:37 PM
Is there a spec page of some sort online anywhere for the 1006?

Drakejake
March 29, 2004, 07:16 PM
The 1006 seems to be a good pistol. But can anyone tell me why one would need a 10MM pistol? Is 10MM a better round for self-defense than .45? Is it a more efficient round (effectiveness in proporation to size) that 9MM? Is it an outstanding round for target shooting or for hunting? Or is it simply for people who must be able to fire every possible round or own every possible handgun? Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Drakejake

WonderNine
March 29, 2004, 08:08 PM
I don't think I've ever read a bad word about a 1006 in any forum ever....:cool:

Definately would like to own one someday, only problem is that it cuts into my BHP, Italian Beretta and 1911 budget....

Nice pic agtman!

Rogomay
March 29, 2004, 08:38 PM
Thanks to all of you for your response. I will try to find one real quick before they are all gone :( .

NordicG3K
March 29, 2004, 08:38 PM
Drakejake,
What makes the 10mm a great cartridge is its versatility. It is capable of doing everything a 9mm, .45, etc. can do and much, much more. Falling in between the .357 Mag and .41 Mag in terms of power (leaning more towards the .41 Mag when using current full-power loads) it gives you true magnum performance in a standard format semiauto pistol. If you don't need all that power you can use "FBI Lite" style loads which produces very mild recoil and increased recovery time between shots. So, at the range I use my home-brewed lite loads, switch to Winchester Silvertips or ProLoad GoldDots for carry, and then move up to Double Tap 180gn Golden Sabers for woods walking/hunting. For me this makes the 10mm Auto the "do-it-all" semiauto catridge.

Lennyjoe
March 29, 2004, 10:44 PM
I'll throw in my pics too then.;)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/p49b1beda8327e32ebfc22e2551cd0218/f9bc263b.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/p0aac44e4a0001bec38468d13dc6d193d/f9b2bcc5.jpg

agtman
March 30, 2004, 12:51 PM
Great pics, Lenny! :D


:cool:

ny32182
March 30, 2004, 01:30 PM
Could someone post instructions on how to break a 1006 down for cleaning?

stans
March 30, 2004, 06:59 PM
Field stripping is fairly simple.

1. Remove magazine
2. Retract slide and visualy inspect the chamber to be sure it is unloaded
3. Retract slide approximately 0.9" so that the slide stop pin can be pushed out through the slide stop notch in the slide.
4. Push out and remove slide stop
5. Slowly remove the slide, the hammer will fall as the slide clears the operating levers on the top of the frame.
6. Remove the recoil spring and guide rod
7. Remove the barrel

That's about all there is to it. When reassebling, you must depress the three operating levers on the top of the frame in order to get the slide on the frame.

Lennyjoe
March 31, 2004, 10:55 AM
If you need a detailed picture of the 1006 go to the link below.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=1980z1006

warriorsociologist
May 4, 2004, 06:24 PM
quote:
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1006 is supposed to be the biggest, strongest 10mm produced.
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Well, except for the Star Megastar. That thing is HUGE.

- That is as long as you're talking about pistols. ;) The S&W 610 would be my choice for pushing the 10mm envelope to its limits. As long as we're talking about pistols, I'd say that the S&W 1006 and The Glock 20 (both with heavy springs and a KKM, Jarvis, Bar-stow, or other aftermarket barrel in the G20) are the best platforms for HOT 10mm fodder.

- just my .02

ny32182
May 4, 2004, 08:36 PM
I got a 1006 off Gunbroker last week with less than 50 rounds through it. I put 123 rounds through it so far, including 23 of Double Tap's 750fpe Gold Dots. Perfect performance. Talk about power. :what:

I absolutely LOVE this gun. I'm sending it off for a bead blasting/refinishing next week while I'm on vacation. Can't wait for it to get back in perfect cosmetic as well as mechanical shape. I think this gun has just become my favorite autoloader.

Might even get a second one if a good chance presents itself.

Nightcrawler
May 4, 2004, 09:35 PM
I dunno. 10mm really doesn't have much on .41 Mag. The Winchester Silvertip loads for the two are identical (175 grains at around 1250), but that's because they're both not hotloads. A "Standard" .41 Mag load is 210 grains at 1,425 or so feet per second.

10mm is, basically, the .357 Magnum of autoloaders. The two have a similar range of bullet weights (with 10mm edging out .357 on the heavy end, with the 220 grain bullet, and .357 having a wider variety of very light bullets) and push them to similar velocities from simlar barrel lengths.

A wider variety of 10mm ammo is available now than ever before, so the 10mm shooter has a lot to choose from. The nice thing is that the Magnum seems to be coming back; for years, .357 Magnum (and later 10mm) were watered down, using reduced bullet weights and low velocities, to the point where .357 Magnum is only marginally better than a 9mm+P+ and 10mm was little better than an overpriced .40S&W.

But these days, you've got DoubleTap making good 10mm and Buffalo Bore making good .357. Times are good for the magnum shooter! :cool:

Check out: Buffalo Bore .357 (http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#357)

And: Double Tap 10mm (http://www.doubletapammo.com/main_site/index.html)

180 grains at 1300+ feet per second? Available in an autoloader with 10mmm and a 4" revolver with .357. :evil:

ny32182
May 4, 2004, 11:35 PM
155gr Gold Dot @ 1500 fps... Mmmmmm..... :)

stans
May 5, 2004, 06:50 AM
I agree with Nightcrawler. My experience with the 10 is that it truely is the 357 of the semi-auto pistol world. It does slightly exceed the 357, but I doubt a game animal would feel the difference. The 10mm is not a 41 magnum. When pushed to its limits, and slightly beyond, it still falls a little short of 41 magnum territory, but ahead of the 357.

Paco
May 5, 2004, 12:54 PM
See I'm gonna have to be the turd in the pool and say that the .357mag is better as a woods round. I guess this deviates a bit from the topic but it does serve to put the 1006 into some perspective. BTW, I'm a HUGE fan of all 3rd gen. S&W autoloaders-truly the underspoken of the gun world.

-The .357 will always edge out the 10mm as a woods gun because of bullet selection as well as having slightly better sectional density. Has anyone seen or fired the 200 gr. Cor-bon. Real flat hard lead meplat which will reduce riccochet and give it more bite and thrust against hard bone targets. BTW, 1200 fps. That's nice and fast for a thin 200gr. bullet- it'll be the proverbial icepick for game animals.

-This is what I carry in the woods, in my ruger that is. I think the 10mm is the last word in combat autoloaders for single shot stopping ability, and it does do well as a woods gun, but the ruger gp100 holds the edge in the woods.

I think the 1006 is the best 10mm offered thus far, with a close second given to the glock. One offers more recoil absorbtion and durability outta the box, while the other offers more firepower with 15+1. The glock can be brought up to speed but that means money with a new barrel and spring.
The 1911 platforms offer excellent triggers usually. Live with the small compromises.

-1006 is a fantastic gun!:D

agtman
May 5, 2004, 01:17 PM
Heavy & Fast ...

Corbon's 200gn "penetrator" (@1200fps/639fpe) is a nice round for hunting or protection in the deep woods.

Don't forget, though, that Texas Ammo loads both of the 200gn 10mm Hornady bullets (XTP-HP & FMJ-FP) to 1250fps/694fpe.

Double Tap loads the 200gn XTP to 1250fps, and the 200gn FMJ-FP to 1270fps/715fpe. DT also offers a 220gn Poly-FP @ 1125fps/618fpe.

Marshall
May 5, 2004, 05:34 PM
FIOCCHI .357 MAGNUM 148gr HP = 1500 fps & 720 ft-lbs energy*
Not Bad!


FIOCCHI .44 MAGNUM 240gr JS = 1375 fps & 1000 ft-lbs energy*



Pretty stout stuff!




*Muzzle

The Reverend
May 5, 2004, 05:48 PM
The 4506 is an over built gun for the round it fires. I am a Florida boy and the all stainless construction is priceless. That along with the magic that the 4506 brought to TV 15 years ago on MV.... just too sweet.

In any case the 1006 should be a great match with the high pressure 10mm round. The only problem I have with owning the 4506/1006 guns, is that very few holster makers still produce for these models. It seems that Galco should continually offer their sholder holsters for these guns.

Botton line is that the S&W 3rd gen of autoloaders are probably the most underrated products in the world of firearms to date. Every example I have owned has been a great performer and would not hesitate to own others in the future. So, if you have one you've got your eye on, GO GET IT!!!

God Bless!!!

agtman
May 5, 2004, 07:43 PM
Holsters ...

In case the Reverend or anyone else is interested, High Noon holsters makes a horizontal-carry type shoulder holster for the 5" 4506/1006 guns (this also fits the shorter 4566/1076/1066 guns).

Made in black, rather than tan, leather, I believe. But it should still go well with an Armani jacket, Wayfarers, and a silver drop-top Porsche. :D

Just FYI.

Lennyjoe
May 5, 2004, 08:23 PM
I field carry my 1006 in a Bianchi accumold belt holster. FWIW.

ny32182
May 5, 2004, 10:38 PM
I've had my eye on that High Noon shoulder holster for the 1006 as well. May order one later on this year so I can do some winter carry with the 1006. With extra mags, thats 27 rounds of hot 10mm.

Gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. :)

stans
May 6, 2004, 06:45 AM
One of the reasons you don't see more holsters for the big S&W semi-auto's is that S&W kept altering the shapes of the frames and slides. The 645 was the first, the 4506 retained the basic shape of the 645 except for the grip portion of the frame. The 10mm had a thicker frame and slide and a rounded trigger guard, then the 4506-1 followed suit. This, coupled with the relative unpopularity of the big Smiths, has lead to a lack of holsters.

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