Sako Finnlight vs Winchester Extreme Weather


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red rick
December 12, 2013, 07:14 PM
I am looking at ordering a Sako Finnlight in 6.5 x 55 SE or the Winchester Extreme Weather in 7mm-08 for deer hunting.

How do you like the synthetic stock on the Sako Finnlight ?

Is the Sako worth $338 more than the Winchester ?

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dsm
December 12, 2013, 07:28 PM
Go with the Winchester... Sako is way overrated!

back40
December 12, 2013, 07:39 PM
i have 2 extreme weathers and not much experience with sako. which caliber do you like better?

Abel
December 12, 2013, 07:40 PM
The Sako has a plastic stock, so EW edges it out slightly IMO.

B!ngo
December 12, 2013, 09:25 PM
I have not seen ANY stock Winchester that comes close to the build quality, action smoothness, aesthetic design and (likely) repeatability of ANY Sako. I own Tikka's only because there are very few Sako's in LH but the same is true for Tikka's versus Winchesters.
But Sako's are quite a bit more and there are far fewer aftermarket parts so you have to decide if it's worth it to you. It is for me.
Flame on,
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viking499
December 12, 2013, 09:44 PM
Have not seen a EW Winny, but do have a few Tikka's, which are "the poor man's Sako". They are awesome guns. SMOOOOOOOOTH and accurate.

I am sure the Winny will be accurate too.

The Sako synthetic will be fine. Tikka's plastic stock is the best on the market.

Caliber..........both are awesome. I prefer the 6.5 because it is the "oddball" in the bunch.

Coltdriver
December 12, 2013, 10:07 PM
Not sure where you are hunting but a 270 will sure shoot a lot flatter than either of the calibers you are looking at.

That said I looked long and hard at the Winchester vs a Sako, both in 270 WSM.

I bought a Sako because I could not find a Winchester at the time. I did not get a Finnlight but got an A7 Tecomate.

The Sako is a fine rifle and the A7 was right at the same price point of the Winchester. They still show the Tecomate in their lineup on their website. If you can find one the stock is a notch up over the Winchester. I did find and hold a Winchester in 300 WSM at Gander Mountain and the stock is flimsy by comparison to the Sako. The Sako is also a fully floated fluted stainless barrel and the action is bedded to an aluminum block in the stock. The Tecomate comes with weaver blocks for scope mounting so I could use my Leupold QDR's. The regular Sako scope rings are very unique and pricy.

Either way you'd be happy, I sure like the way the Winchester EW looks and I have heard and read all good things about them. I do think Sako is a notch up in every department but I have never shot a Winchester.

headoftheholler
December 12, 2013, 10:17 PM
The Sako is far and away a better built rifle. To boot, the 6.5 swede is an awesome round to hunt deer with.

jehu
December 13, 2013, 07:51 AM
I have a Sako Finnlite 75 in 6.5X55 and it,s very accurate. The Sako is the better made rifle IMO but the sweede ammo in factory offerings is very limited. If you reload no problem.

valnar
December 13, 2013, 10:24 AM
I'm a fan of both Sako/Tikka and 6.5 Swede, so that's an easy decision for me.

red rick
December 13, 2013, 12:12 PM
I am just starting to reload . The only thing that I have reloaded so far is 45 colt . I find getting powder, brass and bullets almost as hard as getting factory ammo .

jmr40
December 13, 2013, 03:29 PM
Normally I'd pick Winchester. But in this case I'd probably take the Sako.

Hokkmike
December 14, 2013, 08:00 AM
I shoot the SAKO Finnlight in 6.5x55. It is an excellent gun. I am not familiar with the Winchester you describe. I have shot a Winchester Sporter in 6.5x55 as well as a Featherlight and they were both nice. I actually would have kept the Sporter but it weighed a clear 2.5 pounds more than the Finnlight.

All three are accurate.

As far as the plastic stock comment goes there is not a problem. There is no hollow ring or cheap feel to SAKO synthetic stocks. The grips have adhering surfaces where the hands make contact and the SAKO palm swell for gripping.

My obvious choice by right of ownership is the SAKO. They are the BEST off the production line quality rifle in my opinion.

Incidentally, the Finnlight was so name so that there could be no confusion about it NOT being of Japanese manufacture. (a little free trivia)

And, I have NEVER had a problem finding off the shelf ammo.

joed
December 14, 2013, 08:24 AM
I've always owned Remington and Winchester and even a few Savages. I never had a bad rifle with the Winchesters and Remingings. Someday maybe I'll own a Sako. I've heard a lot of good about them.

red rick
December 14, 2013, 09:55 AM
Those who have the Finnlight in 6.5 , I see that the barrel length is listed as 24 3/8" and at 22 7/16" on other sites . Can you tell me what length your barrel is and if they have changed the length since you bought yours ? I don't think I want a 24" barrel so I might go with the 7mm-08 .

Gtscotty
December 14, 2013, 10:40 AM
I had a 6.5x55 Rem 700 and I was always frustrated be the lack of modern action reloading data, also I was never quite satisfied with the velocities I was able to get with 140's. My. 243 has worked like a charm this season, but I think If I get another rifle in that caliber range I'll probably opt for a 7mm-08.

As for the rifle choices, I have an extreme weather that I've had some accuracy problems with, although I think I'm getting those worked out. To be fair, this rifle was used, and my bought new featherweight has been an awesome rifle in every way.

All of that said, if I saw a finnlight and an extreme weather on the shelf for the same price, I'd snap up the finnlight, they are a beautiful rifle and are definitely on my rifle bucket list.

HKGuns
December 15, 2013, 10:14 AM
Go with the Winchester... Sako is way overrated!

Welcome to my ignore list. Winchester can't even shine the shoes of a Sako rifle.

Go with the Sako OP.

I have not seen ANY stock Winchester that comes close to the build quality, action smoothness, aesthetic design and (likely) repeatability of ANY Sako.

See above and you won't ever find one so don't look too hard as you'll only be wasting your time.

Coltdriver
December 15, 2013, 10:35 AM
If you go with the 6.5 and you want loads for a modern receiver (since most of what is available is for the Swedish Mausers) just go look for European loads at places like the Norma site, or Vitavouri etc.

I have a modern 6.5X54 that I load to Euro spec for the 6.5X55 and you can get them to shoot much flatter than the old Mausers.

The magic of the 6.5X55 is that the 160 grain bullet has the highest sectional density of any bullet out there. Nothing else compares. Just make sure you get a rifle with a 1 in 8 twist or you will be stuck with 140 grain bullets.

red rick
December 15, 2013, 11:31 AM
That's good to know, but I don't think you need anything larger than 140 for deer . Deer will be it's max's purpose .

Does it need a 24" barrel though ?

Abel
December 15, 2013, 03:19 PM
Both are better than just decent. The one factor that matters most, is how does it feel to you, in your hands.

red rick
December 15, 2013, 03:47 PM
That's a question I can not answer until I buy it . It is going to have to be ordered . I know that is a risk . I once bought a highly rated 1911 without holding it and I hated the feel of it . I ended up selling it 2 years latter, unfired for $50 less than I paid for it .

Float Pilot
December 15, 2013, 04:36 PM
The model 85 Sako Finnlight comes in various chamberings it you are ordering:
Although I too am a huge fan of the 6.5x55mm if properly hand-loaded.


ACTION SIZE / CALIBER / RATE OF TWIST
Short action / 22-250 Rem / 14"
Medium action / 25-06 Rem / 10"
S / 243 Win / 10"
M / 6.5x55 SE / 8"
S / 260 Rem / 8"
M / 270 Win / 10"
S / 7mm-08 Rem / 9.5"
M / 30-06 Spr / 11"
S / 308 Win / 11"
L / 7mm Rem Mag / 9.5"
Short magnum / 270 Win Short Mag / 10"
L / 300 Win Mag 11"
SM / 300 Win Short Mag / 11"


The Model 70 Extreme has a couple features that I like...
1. The 3 position bolt mounted safety that locks the firing pin.
2. The long claw extractor which gives true controlled feed.

hq
December 15, 2013, 04:46 PM
Go with the Winchester... Sako is way overrated!

As a finn someone might regard what I say as a high treason, but you're somewhat right. Sako rifles are fantastic guns, build quality is second to none and accuracy is great, but prices reflect that a bit too much in my opinion.

It's been a while since I've considered a Sako and even longer since I've actually bought one, mainly because of two things: In larger calibers, my all-time favorite is Weatherby Mark V action, and in anything up to 300/338WinMag, there's Tikka - which has the accuracy and build quality of Sako without the price tag.

As far as calibers for deer hunting are concerned, it's pretty much a coin toss between 6.5x55 and 7mm-08.

red rick
December 15, 2013, 05:05 PM
I would rather have the 6.5x55 caliber but not everyone offers it so that is why I throw in 7mm-08 as a choice .

I could have bought the Sako for $1300 and the Winchester for $962 . That is not much difference to me if you are getting a little better product .

Coltdriver
December 15, 2013, 07:22 PM
My Steyr has just a 20" barrel. I can get 2500 fps with a 140 grain partition.

That gives me a point blank range right at 200 yards. I shot a deer last year and it was a bang flop. For a deer rifle I think the 6.5X55 is about perfect.

The only other problem you may run into is the throat will probably be set for the 160 grain bullets. So a longer bullet like a Berger would be excellent. I have found that using the optimum charge weight method largely negates any bullet jump you may be forced to deal with.

Abel
December 15, 2013, 08:33 PM
Yeah, the 20" barrel on the Sako is a turnoff. If I wanted a carbine, I'd tote a lever rifle.

Float Pilot
December 15, 2013, 11:33 PM
The Sako model 85 Finnlight comes in three barrel lengths:

S / 515 mm (20.27")
SM, L / 620 mm (24.40")
M / 570 mm (22.44")

With a 22 inch barrel the 6.5x55mm does just fine without the need to push pressures.
I have a model 70 featherweight in 6.5x55mm that has a 22 inch barrel. Here are some of my load experiments.

Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 6.5x55 Swede Mauser.*This rifle has been glass bedded.
At 100 yards, light snow, 32F. 6-8 knot wind.

Federal factory 140gr Soft Point: = 2,375 fps, 0.50 inch group.

120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip: 46.5gr RL-19, Lapua, CCI BR-2, 3.085 col= 2,560 fps and a 1.0 inch group120gr Sierra Match King: 46.0 gr RL-19, Lapua, BR-2, 3.085 col= 2,508 fps and a 0.50 inch group.

140gr Rem Accu-Tip, 47.0gr RL-22, Lapua Brass, CCI-200, 3.970 col= 2,640 fps and a 1.0 inch group

140gr Nosler Partition, 47.0gr RL-22, Lapua Brass, CCI-200, 3.950 col= 2,569 fps and a 1.5 inch group

140gr Hornady Soft :Point , 47.0gr RL-22, Lapua Brass, CCI-200, 3.850 col= 2,575 fps and a 2.0 inch group

140gr Hornady SST, 46.5gr IMR-4831, ww,ww, 2.995 col
=2,700 fps and a 0.75 inch group, primer flow

140gr Sierra Game King, 44.5gr H-100V, WW, WW, 2.930col
= 2,675 fps and a 0.55 inch group Lee factory Crimp, no pressure signs

140gr Hornady SST. 46.5 gr RL-19, Lapua, CCI-200, 3.090 COL
= 2,570 fps and a 1.0 inch group

160gr Hornady Round Nose: 45.0 gr RL-22, PMC, Rem 9.5, 3.100 col= 2,288 fps and a 1.5 inch group

Gaiudo
December 16, 2013, 01:32 AM
Can you even get the Extreme Weather? Been awfully hard to find recently, with the Winchester assembly moving to Portugal. I've been looking for one in .308 for months now with no joy.

CypressSniper
December 17, 2013, 09:04 PM
No doubt, I have also been looking for a Win EW 7mm Rem Mag for over a year and they are virtually impossible to find. I have basically given up.

Let me know if anyone has any bright ideas as far as locating one.

headoftheholler
December 17, 2013, 10:25 PM
Yeah, the 20" barrel on the Sako is a turnoff. If I wanted a carbine, I'd tote a lever rifle.
My 16" barrel swede sporter with 159 grain Normas must be doing something wrong, tiny groups you can cover with a quarter at 150 yards and dead deer everytime it goes hunting.

FinnComm
December 19, 2013, 12:05 PM
Sako85 in 6,5x55 here. Looked at a lot of options before I chose it and it came down to a choice between Sako and Tikka.

The Tikka price was about 65% that of the Sako, but it's probably 80% as good. This makes Tikkas excellent value in comparison. But value isn't everything I'm looking for in a rifle, especially as it's something I will probably never part with...

So I chose the best quality rifle out of the two, the rifle that felt "more" when shouldered, the rifle with solid metal magazines, metal trigger guard, 3 bolt lugs, etc.

But one negative to the Sako is if you need to extend the LOP - the butt plate is a complete pain to remove....

Good luck!

Float Pilot
December 19, 2013, 12:28 PM
But one negative to the Sako is if you need to extend the LOP - the butt plate is a complete pain to remove...

Just put on a thicker coat.

firedawg60
December 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
But one negative to the Sako is if you need to extend the LOP - the butt plate is a complete pain to remove....

So is the butt plate on the EW (glued on)....

TheSwede
December 19, 2013, 08:03 PM
I've owned more sakos than rem and win and yes, the sakos are well made but a bit overrated too. I think they are a little bit pricy. But I like the simplicity of the americans and the aftermarket. I also doesnt like the integral bases on sako. The bases are conical and the finish rifleingeneers must been drunk in the sauna when they come up with that idea.

red rick
December 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
My local GS has the EW in 308 & 270 . I didn't really like the feel of the Bell & Carson stock . The grip area was thicker than I like . It didn't feel hollow though and I liked that and the texture .

I like the feel of the Tika, but the stock felt cheap like most synthetic stocks .

I also like the feel of the Browning xbolt , but I am not sure how well that rubber stock would hold up .

Float Pilot
December 19, 2013, 10:25 PM
I had one of the light weight Bell and Carlson stock crack and split by the bolt handle notch. There was a bubble inside that caused it to be weak.

FinnComm
December 20, 2013, 06:21 AM
So is the butt plate on the EW (glued on)....

Annoying that isn't it. A slip on par works but isn't perfect. Still, that (and the price) are my only grips about the Sako, and I forget both when I'm shooting it :)

Paul7
December 20, 2013, 03:23 PM
I have a Sako Finnlight in 6.5x55 and love it, so far have killed seven hogs and one Barbary Sheep with it, all with factory ammo.

Gaiudo
December 20, 2013, 08:13 PM
My local GS has the EW in 308 & 270 ..

If you don't pick up the .308, mind telling me the name of your LGS, RedRick?

red rick
December 20, 2013, 10:25 PM
I will send you a PM .

EchoM70
December 20, 2013, 11:22 PM
I have had both. The Winchester EW in 270 WSM and the finnlight in .243.

The Sako had the better action/barrel. Was not impressed with the cheap injection molded stock however, especially on something with a prestige such as Sako.
One note on the Sako was it had a long throat and seating bullets as far as the mag allowed didn't even come close to the lands. Still exceptional accuracy however.

The winchester wasn't quite as smooth as the Sako, but the stock was heads and tails better than the Sako. I'm a fan of the CRF, so that was a plus as well.

Accuracy between both was a toss-up, both exceptional. Performing with handloads at a consistent half Moa out to 300 yards.

I've sold both, and I regret selling the Winchester.

I'm planning on buying within the next year 2 extreme weathers and 1 Sako greywolf. I would not recommend the finnlight, the hunter syn/ss is a better choice IMO if you want a synthetic Sako.

bpl
December 20, 2013, 11:32 PM
Personally, I'd take the M70 EW and spend the savings on better glass. These new M70's are great rifles. I have no experience shooting Sako rifles though, only handling them though. they are nice rifles for sure. If I'd won that mega millions jackpot I''m sure I'd buy a few Sako rifles though...

Paul7
December 21, 2013, 02:21 PM
EchoM70, I think you're referring to the original cheap Finnlight stocks, current production stocks are very nice.

EchoM70
December 21, 2013, 04:09 PM
Paul 7, it was a 02-03 production Sako 75 finnlight. I haven't held any of the Sako 85 finnlight rifles but the stocks seem to look exactly the same as the 75 I had, however I could be wrong.

atomchaser
December 22, 2013, 01:37 PM
The newer 85's have a ST (soft touch) stock that is nicer than the previous offering.

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