Which ar-10??


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68lemans462
December 13, 2013, 10:24 AM
I would like to buy an AR-10 for target shooting and the occasional hog hunt in TX. I'm thinking of something with a 20-22" barrel for long range accuracy. That is pretty much my only requirement.

Budget is $1500 for now.... Have been considering armalite or DPMS. I also heard that S&W is coming out with a new AR-10 soon that is supposed to be awesome. What do you guys recommend??

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RFMan
December 13, 2013, 10:43 AM
How long a range? 18" is not bad AT ALL for accuracy. An AR style rifle in .308/7.62 with a 20-22" barrel is going to be heavy... My S&W M&P-10 is pretty light without a scope, and careful scope selection helps keep the weight down.

68lemans462
December 13, 2013, 10:45 AM
~500-600 yards max....

DammitBoy
December 13, 2013, 10:47 AM
I recently acquired the Sig Sauer 716 patrol and it is built like a tank. It is more accurate than I am out to 300 yards at the range and I highly recommend it.

For $1700 I don't think you can find its equal.

MistWolf
December 13, 2013, 10:51 AM
Only Armalite makes AR-10s as they hold the copyright on the name.

For a 308 AR in your price range, I really like the S&W M&P-10. Here's my take on the big Smith
http://www.smithandwessonforums.com/forum/m-p-10/28942-smith-wesson-m-p-10-quick-look.html

meanmrmustard
December 13, 2013, 10:51 AM
DPMS LR308

Very accurate rifle.

Dr. Sandman
December 13, 2013, 12:02 PM
I got the Sportical DPMS at Wal-Mart for under a grand. It is heavy, but a nice rifle and I am happy with it. It did not come with any sights, so you have to pick what you want sight wise.

G.barnes
December 13, 2013, 04:08 PM
I'd go with an m&p 10. They are a good quality and with the melonited barrel will be more accurate than the armalite with the chrome lined barrel. Both the melonite and the chrome lined will last way longer than the non treated barrel on the dpms and for not much more price wise.

dusty14u
December 13, 2013, 09:41 PM
I bought a M&P10 and have been nothing but pleased with it. I wanted it mainly for deer hunting but it will take a big variety of game. I mounted a Nikon ProStaff and it works well on it. Very accurate out to 200 and I haven't tried it further out because that is the furthest distance at my club. Mine is more accurate with the 168gr bullets.

TIMC
December 13, 2013, 10:20 PM
I just posted a DPMS in the for sale section, Really nice rifle. Only selling because I got one of the new FD308's from F&D Defense.

yzguy87
December 13, 2013, 11:20 PM
My RRA 308 Predator was more accurate than my DPMS AP4, Tac-20, and 24" bull. DPMS were all 308's. Not trying to start a "vs" war but just stating my experience.

YMMV

CharlieDeltaJuliet
December 14, 2013, 08:27 AM
M&P 10 hands down. S&W did their homework and made a great AR10

CraigC
December 14, 2013, 08:49 AM
Handled the M&P10 yesterday and was very impressed.

kvtcomdo
December 15, 2013, 06:00 PM
I have the DPMS LR 308 that i've upgraded (IMHO) to 338 Federal which I love.

I've just gotten the Ruger SR 762 and after a trigger replacement (Timney 308) and a Leupold Patrol with Leupold mount I am extremely happy with the final result.

The S&W is intriguing and the lightest available (direct impingement).

meef
December 15, 2013, 06:26 PM
S&W MP10.

For the money, it beats out everything else in the class, IMO.

atblis
December 15, 2013, 06:28 PM
Cmmg may be worth considering.

dvdcrr
December 15, 2013, 10:41 PM
Cmmg was not using 7075 al in their receivers.

DammitBoy
December 16, 2013, 01:52 AM
So the M&P S&W cost $1600, doesn't come with the better magpul furniture, doesn't have a chrome lined barrel, doesn't have great trigger, doesn't come with a 20 round pmag, doesnt come with a quad rail, doesnt come with quad rail covers, and doesn't have Troy fold down sights.

My Sig comes with all that for $1700, but I do miss out on a crappy plastic case. Why is the M&P a better deal?

DANS40XC
December 16, 2013, 01:53 AM
Compare the magazine systems-
ArmaLite AR-10
Original/modified M14,"STEEL MAGAZINES"-Gen1
Re-tooled to eliminate contract M14 junk w/"STEEL MAGAZINES"-GenII

There is a reason our fed gov't doesn't contract "PLASTIC" links/belts for machine guns!!

If your mouse/rat gun accepts plastic magazines-your loss.

Gtscotty
December 16, 2013, 06:56 AM
So the M&P S&W cost $1600, doesn't come with the better magpul furniture, doesn't have a chrome lined barrel, doesn't have great trigger, doesn't come with a 20 round pmag, doesnt come with a quad rail, doesnt come with quad rail covers, and doesn't have Troy fold down sights.

I'm seeing M&P 10's start in the $1200 - $1300 range (some with buy it now prices ~$1300) on GB. For me that would be the big plus, getting a .308 AR for basically what Colt 6920's were going for several years ago. Also, S&W makes excellent rifles and the M&P 10 is pretty light for what it is, probably in part due to the lack of rails and whatnot.

CaptHank
December 16, 2013, 07:04 AM
Here is my DPMS. I thought the M14 was heavy, while carrying in Germany (66-67), but this has some "hips".

I have about 2000 rds, hand loaded, using 150GR. FMJ and RL15 powder. Just about broke the bank.

DammitBoy
December 16, 2013, 10:29 AM
I'm seeing M&P 10's start in the $1200 - $1300 range (some with buy it now prices ~$1300) on GB. For me that would be the big plus, getting a .308 AR for basically what Colt 6920's were going for several years ago. Also, S&W makes excellent rifles and the M&P 10 is pretty light for what it is, probably in part due to the lack of rails and whatnot.

For $300-400 extra and one more pound, I'm glad I bought twice the rifle. The M&P is a starter basic .308 comparable to the DPMS. The Sig is comparable to the LWRC for half the cost.

BP Hunter
December 16, 2013, 11:48 AM
I recently purcahsed the Ruger 762 psiton driven AR. I have been very happy with it. But...I paid $1700 plus for it. SO I would think that it might be out of your specs.

I think all AR10's are going to be heavy. I traded it in my FN FAL Paratrooper for the Ruger since it was just too heavy to lug around in the woods. The Ruger was only 1 pound lighter, but because of its ergonoics, it seemed much lighter to handle.

dvdcrr
December 16, 2013, 12:37 PM
The mp10 comes with 5r rifled nitride barrel. It is superior to chrome lined. The 18" barrel is yielding at least 80 fps more than your 16.5" sig. Even with the 18" barrel the rifle is lighter than your sig. The receiver and bcg are trim compared to others. There isnt a better ar10 in its price range. Trigger does need a replacement. You might as well put a good one in like the SSA

CraigC
December 16, 2013, 12:53 PM
So the M&P S&W cost $1600, doesn't come with the better magpul furniture, doesn't have a chrome lined barrel, doesn't have great trigger, doesn't come with a 20 round pmag, doesnt come with a quad rail, doesnt come with quad rail covers, and doesn't have Troy fold down sights.
More like $1300. The stocks are easily changed and the chromed bore is unnecessary. Not everybody wants to pay extra for a quad rail either. The SIG site says the trigger is 7.6lbs, that ain't "great" either. There is an M&P10 version that includes a 20rd but I don't know what make. I would assume a PMag because the 15's come with them. A Magpul STR is $90, grip is $20 and a PMag is $19. Plus you can always sell the take-off parts. That $300-$400 is plenty enough to acquire those things, a quad rail and flip sights. So where's the rub???


For $300-400 extra and one more pound, I'm glad I bought twice the rifle.
You say one pound like that's insignificant! You didn't get twice the rifle. You paid more and got more.

dvdcrr
December 16, 2013, 01:15 PM
The sig is bound to be a fine rifle if its like their 5.56 piston ar. But its not twice the rifle of an mp10.

Arizona_Mike
December 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
I am very happy with the M&P10 but am frustrated by the lack of compatible uppers and barrels even after almost a year. I really want a heavy barrel .260. and I may be forced to buy another lower.

Mike

fragout
December 16, 2013, 02:25 PM
I decided to go with the Ruger SR762 over the Sig. ( They seem to be very close in what they have to offer.)

The primary reasons as to why I went with the Ruger over the Sig are as follows....

1. The Ruger felt a tad less muzzle heavy vs the Sig. ( 8.6lbs = Ruger, and 9.3lbs = Sig concerning overall weight.)

2. Ruger's hammer forged heavy contour 1-10 twist chrome lined bbl. ( It's fluted under the hg, and handles almost as well as a pencil thin tube, so I believe it will have more potential for accuracy, and maintain it during rapid fire strings.)

3. I preferred Ruger's aluminum adaptable hand guard over the Sig's hand guard, and it protrudes over the gas block thus provides for better protection from fingers possibly getting burnt via a hot gun. I personally do not need the massive amount of rail space that the Sig's hg provides.

4. The Ruger sold with 3-20rd mags, a front sight adjustment tool, soft case, 3 rail covers, and 2 sections of rail.

5. The BCG,bolt, and firing pin are chromed with the Ruger.

I did slightly prefer the Sig's stock to that of the Ruger, and the Sig does sell with a sling, but feel I ended up with more overall for the money by going with the SR762.

I also believe that Ruger will eventually expand their SR762 line up in much the same way they have done with their SR556. ( Different models, complete uppers, and possibly move into other cartridges such as 243, 260, and 7mm-08)

FWIW...... I have yet to mount any optics on it, and have only put 140rds thru it using the Sampson iron sights that sold with the rifle.

I shoot my 18in tubed M14 types much better, but mainly because I have much more time behind them vs the SR762.

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