Had I known ihis was probably going to be my last hunting season


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Jason_W
December 14, 2013, 07:11 PM
for the foreseeable future, I would have gotten out there a little more. I had a good final partridge season, deer season was as bad as ever (granted that's my own fault).

My wife is a strong candidate for a promotion that while increasing our income substantially will require a move to the most anti-gun anti-hunting state in the nation, California.

I'm also going to really miss ice fishing and mackerel fishing in the summer.

It's a lesson to relish your hunting and fishing opportunities while you have them. A free day not spent in the woods or on the water is time squandered.

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wgaynor
December 14, 2013, 07:15 PM
I'd stay. For me, Personal Liberties are not for sale.

JeffDilla
December 14, 2013, 07:20 PM
From one Mainer to another, sorry to see you (probably) leaving. I spent a long day in the frigid woods today with my muzzleloader to end the 2013 Maine deer season. Single digit temps but had fun chasing deer just the same!

wyohome
December 14, 2013, 07:51 PM
I would never cherish money more than freedom...but the country is headed that way.

gamestalker
December 14, 2013, 08:03 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't attach a monetary value to my freedom.

GS

Fremmer
December 14, 2013, 08:18 PM
Ya gotta move where ya gotta move, I'll bet there's some good hunting there somewhere.

rockhopper46038
December 14, 2013, 08:27 PM
If you go, get involved and go fight the good fight for gun owners in the People's Republic of **********. We need some good folks behind enemy lines.

ETA: That's interesting. When I type out the name of that State, the filter catches it as a forbidden word :)

oneounceload
December 14, 2013, 08:51 PM
California has some great hunting and fishing

Sam1911
December 14, 2013, 09:08 PM
the filter catches it as a forbidden word
Only if you misspell it to be derisive.

Bobson
December 14, 2013, 09:27 PM
I've got a lot of family in Cali. It may be among the most anti-gun states in the nation, but there's some great hunting to be found in the Eastern mountains around Mammoth, and in the North. It would take one heck of a promotion to make me move to Cali, though; and I really don't like where I live now.

oneounceload
December 14, 2013, 10:16 PM
I would move to CA before DC, NJ, Chicago or NYC

witchhunter
December 14, 2013, 10:57 PM
You can still hunt deer here, you will just have around 2 million guys in the woods with you. You might find out it ain't so bad, we do have a lot of forest service land (public). Up north, where I live, we have some good fishin. Right now it is on and crackin!! Look me up when you move and I'll show you some spots.

Jason_W
December 15, 2013, 06:54 AM
California has some great hunting and fishing

I've heard that's true in places.

I think the hardest adjustment won't be the state itself, but the fact that we'll be moving to a major metropolitan area, or at least the outskirts/burbs.

Right now, I can drive a half hour and be in a place where I can hunt or fish (fresh or salt water). I've been spoiled growing up in the rural northeast in that hunting and fishing is something I can do here once or twice a week. Sometimes early in the season I can even sneak in after work bird hunts. I don't imagine that will be possible in a city or even 20 miles outside of a city.

Jason_W
December 15, 2013, 06:55 AM
I would never cherish money more than freedom

In a capitalist system, money is freedom.

jmr40
December 15, 2013, 07:22 AM
California has a lot of gun restrictions, but lots of opportunities to hunt. You can always hunt out of state. Make the best of it.

ChaoSS
December 15, 2013, 07:40 AM
California is not worth the money. Trust me on that one.

OilyPablo
December 15, 2013, 08:13 AM
Since people don't use their location much here, where exactly are you moving FROM? One guy mentioned Maine.

I was born in CA, and left in my mid 20's. My brother is still down there and he owns guns. Yes the restrictions suck.

You sometimes have to do what you have to do, but what is your age? Really consider hard how much you enjoy where you live now. My most recent move was within WA state and for nearly the exact reason you give. And we still nearly cry when we think of where we left (we lived on the Canada/USA border) - don't get me wrong, were we live now is not bad and the job I took is great, but still the place we left was the best place I lived in my life and regret moving. We could have made it on my wife's income and me finding (eventually) a lesser job. But I was all gung ho on the most $ possible and not having the wife work while she cares for the family. Which works fine for us, but still the family life was better up north. Tough decision!

Jason_W
December 15, 2013, 08:21 AM
The move would be from Maine to northern California. If she's offered the position, of course (which is about a 90 percent certainty at this point).

OilyPablo
December 15, 2013, 08:28 AM
Approx age range? Kids? What activities does your wife like? Where in N. Calif? Does this promotion substantially move your retire $ and timeline closer?

Jason_W
December 15, 2013, 08:37 AM
We're late 20's early 30's, no kids.

We both really enjoy a lot of various outdoor activities. We do a lot of hiking together and she enjoys bird hunting with me on the nicer days. Can't get her out ice fishing, though.:D We also had a small veggie garden this spring/summer that we enjoyed keeping and tending to. Fresh stir-frys all summer were awesome.

The problem we're up against is the economy in this state is horrendous which leads to a constant state of financial stress. The few jobs available are largely low paying service sector stuff and there is almost nothing that matches my skill set. It's hard to enjoy things like hunting and fishing when you know that you're one emergency away from indigence at any given time. It's a classic case of poverty with a view.

The wife's promotion (if she gets it) will mean a 5-digit yearly pay increase. I've checked the job market in that area (Sacramento) and there is definitely a lot more for me to choose from and the options pay a lot more.

Who knows, maybe we'll be able to make enough out there to afford things like hunting leases or enough for a piece of good hunting land somewhere.

OilyPablo
December 15, 2013, 09:26 AM
Sacramento = very hot summer (dry though just thought I would throw that out there) . Go and help the cause in CA!!

No kids adds HUGE freedom, IMHO.

Jason_W
December 15, 2013, 09:30 AM
I read about the hot and dry summers.

I did visit my wife out there when she was working at the west coast facility for a month. We drove to visit my sister who lives in Lake Tahoe.

The ride from Sac to Tahoe was beautiful. I really liked what I saw of the the Placerville area, though that's too far a commute from Sacramento to be practical.

I've been told that hunting is pretty big in the Sierra Nevada foothills, but I'll have to see it to believe it. Unlike Maine, where it's pretty much assumed that everyone hunts and owns guns, I'll probably be keeping that fact more to myself in California where it seems that being into hunting and shooting makes you something of a pariah.

BrotherFrankie
December 15, 2013, 09:33 AM
i was forced to leave NYC for florida in 98..

i couldnt imagine leaving the city..

Now i often think.. what was I thinking... best thing that ever happened to me.. and i dont go back ever.. (unless a funeral)

pray on it... God will work it out..

FG

redneck2
December 15, 2013, 10:14 AM
Sacramento = very hot summer (dry though just thought I would throw that out there) .My daughter lived there for a couple of years. Hot and dry would be an accurate description.

I trust you have investigated the differences in the cost of living. I suspect that, unless you are seeing at least a 50% increase in income, your standard of living may actually decline.

Your total tax burden will most likely be twice as high. Commuting is usually brutal. Tahoe is incredible

HankR
December 16, 2013, 12:56 PM
Try to make Lemonade. Sacka-tomato isn't nearly as bad as LA, San Fran, etc. Since you already have most of your hunting stuff it won't cost too much to continue your hobby. You can be in good hunting areas just a couple of hours from Sacramento.

I wouldn't want to trade places w/ you, but the folks riding you for "selling out" for the almighty dollar need to realize that, given a certain amount of maturity, the equation isn't money vs freedom but freedom vs money + marital bliss.

I did the opposite move (well, from the east cost to flyover country) a decade or so ago. The wife doesn't like it here nearly as much as the rest of us do, and that is a cause for stress. I am making about half of what I could be making "back east" but my quality of life is better out here. My wife is making a small percentage of what she could be making back there, which adds to her stress (and detracts from my quality of life :( ) You gotta weigh your options, and make your decision, as I'm sure you did before posting. Now make the best of it, which probably involves cutting back on rather than giving up on your hunting.

All the best,

buck460XVR
December 16, 2013, 01:09 PM
It's a lesson to relish your hunting and fishing opportunities while you have them. A free day not spent in the woods or on the water is time squandered.


At my age, I relish everyday the good Lord allows me to hunt/fish, or enjoy my grandkids, or tell my wife how much I love her. At my last High School class reunion, I had the opportunity to spend some time with a good friend I had in school. We grew up across the road from each other and as kids we were always hunting and fishing. After college he move east and our only contact was X-mas cards for 40 years. He told me at the reunion, he hasn't hunted or fished since High School. Life has it's priorities and they can and do change. You say you have no kids...wait till they come along.

d2wing
December 16, 2013, 04:09 PM
Good luck. That part of California isn't as bad as some others. It might work out for you.

Jason_W
December 16, 2013, 04:20 PM
It very well might work out. I'm trying to stay positive and also remember that nothing is definite yet.

I guess, also, that if something is that important to me, I'm just going to have to put in the work necessary to make it happen regardless of where I am.

Arkansas Paul
December 16, 2013, 04:21 PM
Like someone else said, if you do move please get involved in the pro 2A fight. They need all the help they can get over there.

Glocktogo
December 16, 2013, 04:23 PM
Will the increased income even offset the increased cost of living? Supporting a state load of hippies is costly you know! :(

Captcurt
December 16, 2013, 06:35 PM
I have a friend who has lived in northern California for 40 years. Hunts bear, cats, blacktail and mule deer and guides on the river for salmon. The bird and waterfowl hunting is pretty good too. He Loves it. When a bambi hugger/tree hugger confronts him he simple tells them to whizz up a rope.

Bobson
December 16, 2013, 11:54 PM
The move would be from Maine to northern California. If she's offered the position, of course (which is about a 90 percent certainty at this point).
If we're talking North of Sac, the move seems a whole lot better IMO. When you mentioned moving to Cali for a promotion, I pictured SoCal. Born there and BTDT as an adult - forget it! But Northern Cali is nice. Yeah you still have crummy laws, but at least the physical area is nice.

bainter1212
December 17, 2013, 12:18 AM
OP, I live in the Sacramento suburbs and do a lot of fishing and some hunting too. I have lived here my whole life and there are many upsides to living in this area.

When you get out here, shoot me a PM. I can get you onto a local fishing forum so you can get the lay of the land and meet some like minded people.

Sacramento is a world away from SF and LA as far as lifestyle goes.......if you have some fight left in you you can make your time here very enjoyable.

Good luck.

Edit.....oh BTW I ice fish every year. Caples lake is two hours from here and freezes thick every winter. Lots of trout and the occasional big mackinaw. You can even borrow my auger :)

Jason_W
December 17, 2013, 04:59 AM
OP, I live in the Sacramento suburbs and do a lot of fishing and some hunting too. I have lived here my whole life and there are many upsides to living in this area.

When you get out here, shoot me a PM. I can get you onto a local fishing forum so you can get the lay of the land and meet some like minded people.

Sacramento is a world away from SF and LA as far as lifestyle goes.......if you have some fight left in you you can make your time here very enjoyable.

Good luck.

Edit.....oh BTW I ice fish every year. Caples lake is two hours from here and freezes thick every winter. Lots of trout and the occasional big mackinaw. You can even borrow my auger

That's good to know. Especially about the ice fishing. Nothing beats ice caught trout brined and smoked.

HexHead
December 17, 2013, 07:33 AM
I would divorce my wife before I'd go back to CA. And we have a great relationship.

HexHead
December 17, 2013, 07:38 AM
The wife's promotion (if she gets it) will mean a 5-digit yearly pay increase. I've checked the job market in that area (Sacramento) and there is definitely a lot more for me to choose from and the options pay a lot more.

Who knows, maybe we'll be able to make enough out there to afford things like hunting leases or enough for a piece of good hunting land somewhere.

Don't be fooled by "they pay a lot more". The cost of living is probably much higher than where you are now. Have you checked housing? She wouldn't really be getting a raise, except on paper.

Loyalist Dave
December 17, 2013, 08:29 AM
I'm from California... San Diego, but grew up in my teen years in Maryland, before Maryland got really stupid. I still live in MD but as soon as I can I will escape to VA or WVA.

IF you've never lived there... and you're from Maine.... you're in for a bit of culture shock, especially if you end up in Southern California on the coast. No, if you've visited you haven't really experienced the utter foolishness of the Southern California coastal population. (It's a free country, and they are welcome to whatever they wish to believe, and conduct their state laws in the same manner... I just don't want to subsidize their stupidity with my Federal tax money... which is all that is keeping them afloat out there - imho.)

You see, the state is tilted a bit to the West, and all the nuts roll downhill toward the coast. And I'm not talking about nuts that you can eat.

Yes there are outdoor hunting possibilities there, but don't spread it around to your neighbors that you hunt, until you get to know their opinion about it. Many are the sane people who have moved to the left-coast only to find that their vehicle or property gets vandalized as soon as it's known that they "murder" innocent animals and ..., God fobid..., no wait, ....goddess forbid...., wait that's wrong too..., possible deity on another physical plane forbid... yeah that's it.... you actually eat the animals.


LD

bainter1212
December 17, 2013, 09:00 AM
I will also add.....out here in CA, to be an active sportsman, you have to buy into our driving culture. Out west here we don't blink an eye about driving long distances to pursue fish or game. It's a big place out here, i know back east you blink an eye and you're in another state.....not so much here.

Get comfortable with a long drive and the variety of sporting opportunities goes WAY up.

Plus this state is so big that if you drive 6 hours to fish you don't have to get another state's fishing license........

claiborne
December 17, 2013, 11:11 AM
California is not anti-hunting or anti-fishing. On the contrary, California really promotes their hunting and fishing programs to the extant of having laws for protecting hunters and anglers engaged in legal shooting, hunting, trapping and fishing.

However, California is pro-regulation and boy do they like to regulate! Three of the dumbest regulations that over shadowed the great hunting and fishing for me were:
When fishing it is against the law to not have your fishing license affixed to your person so that it is visible from a distance.
You must purchase tags to hunt feral pigs.
And the fact that police and prison guards, can legally purchase and own firearms and magazines that are restricted for ownership to combat veterans and regular citizens with much more weapons training than the average patrol officer or prison guard.

Could never figure out how a handgun that was too "unsafe" for me to purchase in California was not "unsafe enough" for a prison guard or rookie cop to purchase.

As much as I enjoyed the hunting and fishing opportunities, I could never come to grips with the over regulation of these pursuits and I eventually took a pay cut for a new job and a move to Arizona.

Patocazador
December 17, 2013, 11:29 AM
With the present administration, you could just stay there and go on welfare. Having a fellow hunter living off my dollar would be preferable to most of the welfare recipients.

You have to jump through a bunch of hoops but California does offer some hunting opportunities.

PS: At my age, 70, this could very well be my last hunting season. I plan to go out kicking. I've killed 5 deer so far this year.
Keep at it. Perseverance pays off.

rockhopper46038
December 17, 2013, 11:58 AM
Others have touched on it - you might look this over just to give you an idea if the financial situation will improve, remain static, or degrade.

http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/

twofifty
December 17, 2013, 12:27 PM
I'd do the homework and balance out the net effects on your disposable income, on your commute time (a big CA commute is a hassle, costs time & money and reduces the real effect of a raise), on your overall lifestyle.

You'll save on heating bills but spend a ton on air conditioning. Taxes and house prices may surprise you. Compare crime rates too, like the rates of assault and B&E, esp. if moving from rural Maine to big city CA.

I found the landscape, climate and people of northern CA (the rural parts) to be very nice.

Jason_W
December 17, 2013, 01:00 PM
I've run numbers through various COL calculators. It seems to depend where in the Sacramento area we might end up living. The city itself is calculated as being 1% more expensive than our current location. Some towns within striking distance are a little less expensive, some are a lot more expensive. Seems like there is a lot of variation. Just like there is in northern new England. Portland is far more expensive than Bangor, for instance.

bob4
December 17, 2013, 05:28 PM
It won't be the same as walking out your back door. But with finances going up you can probably enjoy a hunt or 2 a yr abroad somewhere.

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