Mauser 93 vs 95: probably a dumb question, but...


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Mauser lover
December 18, 2013, 04:53 PM
Okay, what exactly is the difference between the Mauser 93 action, and the 95 action?

Externally, what difference would there be between a one piece scope mount for either, or are they completely interchangeable? Anybody know of differences in other dimensions?

Internally, how do the triggers differ? Or do they? Magazine length? What about stock difference concerning inletting?

Metallurgy, which was made from better steel as a whole (yeah I know, different models for different countries were made from different steels, so as many details as possible would be interesting).

I am actually most concerned with the scope mount question at the moment, but I do enjoy any other details you want to give me.

Thanks!

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LAGS
December 18, 2013, 05:59 PM
@ Mauser lover
The Mauser 93 and 95 will use the same one piece scope mount but I recomend using the Weaver Two piece mounts .
That is what I have on mine.
Both mounts will have to have the bolt handle modified and the safety modified or replaced.
Timney triggers are good also on these rifles.
The Magazine box and bottom metal is interchangable on both guns and so are the triggers.
The 95 Chilian is a little stronger the way the bolt is made on the front and feeds better, and the bolt handle has a notch it rests in on the receiver as a stop.
The 93 bolt is a flat bottom on the front, and the 95 is a round front bolt.
You can use a 95 bolt in a 93, but a 93 wont fit into a 95
The German Made 93 and 95's are better steel than the Spanish made ones, but as far as Small ring actions, the Swedes are best.
Both stock inletting is about the same, with just minor differances between the models and what country they were made in.
BTW
Some models have factory Hinged floorplates like a 1916 Spanish .308 I have, and that is a desireable feature to look for.

Mauser lover
December 18, 2013, 08:33 PM
okay, another question... Spain purchased some 93s from Mauser (made in Germany) but also made their own, correct? If so, do the German made 93s have the same reputation for being weak as the Spanish made ones?

LAGS
December 18, 2013, 08:52 PM
@ Mauser Lover
The Loewe Berlin made rifles were made of better steel and the machining was of better quality.
But they are still concidered a weak action because of the pressure limits set by the design. 45,000 CUP
I have Two of the Spanish Mauser 1916 that is barreled in .308 Win.
One I converted to 8mm Mauser because the receiver was getting Bolt Set back from the pressure on the soft receiver.
The other one I still shoot .308 , but only hand loads that are lighter or Cast Bullet Loads.
But I have had the Spanish and South American Mausers in 7mm and they held up well.

Mauser lover
December 19, 2013, 12:19 PM
Okay thanks. Now, Mauser sold some German made 93s to Turkey as well, correct? If so, which are stronger or better receivers, the German made Spanish, or the German made Turks?

LAGS
December 19, 2013, 02:55 PM
The rifles built in Germany , no matter where they were made for is the same Quality.
But Turkey also made the 93 small ring action. But both were made in 7.65 Mauser that is not that common.
It sounds like you are shopping around to try and get the best Bang for your buck.
If that is the case, and a Small Ring Cock on Closing action is what you want, then just look for a 94 or 96 Swede.
Are you planning to try and rebarrel the rifle to another caliber or is there a perticular caliber you had in mind ?

Mauser lover
December 19, 2013, 08:13 PM
I was thinking .257 Roberts or 6.5x55 (or both). It sounds like either the German Spaniard or the German Turk would work for me. I would love to get a Swede 96, but... hard to find. Also would probably just leave that one alone and shoot it with irons instead of adulterating it with a sporterization job.

I have no moral qualms about sporterizing a Turk rifle that was adulterated already by a Turkish arsenal in the mid-late thirties.

not planning on using any hot loads...

LAGS
December 19, 2013, 09:01 PM
@ Mauser Lover.
You didn't say why you are looking for the Small Ring 93 or 95.
If it is the price, then look at the Turkish Mausers that are large ring receivers and small ring barrels.
I took a .25-06 Large Ring Barrel and had it rethreaded to a small ring thread to fit the Turk.
I could have used a 257 barrel I have also, but am going to use those on Yugo 98 actions.
That way I never have to worry about the strength on the Turk shooting the 25-06
But if it is Size, then the 93 or 95's are smaller and lighter but might cost you more.
But the 93 and 95 will work with the 257 but it is right at the pressure limits for the action.
But if the bolt lugs are Lapped, and the headspace is set correctly you shouldn't have any issues.
You also have the option of a receiver sight if you want open sights on any of the Mausers.

Mauser lover
December 20, 2013, 12:40 AM
Where have you been able to find large ring turks? (or anything large ring for that matter)

I have been casually looking for one at gun shows for years, unable to find any!
Small rings however... Every time I don't want one, one shows up! I see those all over the place...

LAGS
December 20, 2013, 01:00 AM
There is a gun shop not too far from me, and when I was in there a while back they had three Turkish mausers in the rack, some fair Yugos and a couple of DOT Mauser 98's.
I didnt buy them because I have three Turks already, a bunch of Nice Yugo's and some German and Czeck mausers to build some customs out of already.
That doesnt count the Mauser sporters and customs I already built.
Have you checked at Gun Shows ?
They also had a Spanish 1916 in the rack in .308 but no 93 or 95's

Mauser lover
December 20, 2013, 04:30 PM
sounds like I need to go to Arizona... Yeah, no decent prices anywhere to be seen on large rings...

LAGS
December 20, 2013, 04:37 PM
@ Mauser lover
I don't know where you live, but this is a very gun friendly state.
Most of my rifles were purchased about five years ago and are just sitting around waiting for me to finish other projects, or get drawn for a Big Game hunt again.
If I get drawn, then I build a rifle for that hunt.
Then I can sell last years gun to friends when they get drawn.

Mauser lover
December 21, 2013, 02:09 AM
I live in South Dakota! A very gun friendly state. Which could be why I cannot find the ones I want. Everybody seems to like the same ones I want, and hang on to theirs...

That sounds like a good idea... I just hunted for the first time in my life this fall. Prairie Antelope. Didn't build a gun for it, but that is what this .257 is going to be for (if I get to it...) I can get tags every year though, so probably won't be selling it to a friend.

Anyway, thanks for the help/advice/information! I will try to keep everything in mind as I look for an action or rifle to build.

MMA1991
December 27, 2013, 09:56 AM
My Grandfather purchased a Model 1893 Spanish Mauser from a Spanish - American War vet back in the early 20's. It was a war trophy from Cuba chambered for 7mm (7x57).

Unfortunately, my Uncle had it sporterized in the 50's and had it placed on a Monte Carlo stock. I added a scope back in 94, lopped about 4 inches off the barrel and had it crowned and changed the safety to accommodate the scope. Great shooter; I have killed a dozen deer with it.

The rifle was manufactured in 1896, has a Spanish crest on the receiver but lists Oberndorf as the place of manufacture on the side of the receiver.

I shoot 148 grain Remington Core Locktd ammo almost exclusively and have no complaints whatsoever about the round or the rifle. It's a great White Tail Deer rifle.

Happy hunting.

MMA1991

HankC
January 5, 2014, 08:33 AM
Another difference btw 93 and 95 is many late 93s have gas vent holes but not 95. It is not hard to drill the hole yourself.

Jim K
January 10, 2014, 12:04 AM
Hi, LAGS,

AFAIK, Turkey never made any Mauser receivers, they didn't have the machinery and tooling. They modified and updated tens of thousands but all the original rifles came from either Germany or Czechoslovakia (Brno).

Jim

LAGS
January 10, 2014, 12:17 AM
@ JimK
I know that.
I was speaking of the country they were made for.
I have three Czeck BRNO 24's marked 98/22 and were made for Turkey
Plus the two others that are the large ring, with small ring barrels.

lathedog
January 11, 2014, 09:42 PM
I always thought the K Kale Ankara M38 Turk receivers were made in Turkey.

I have seen one with a thread insert to bring the thread diameter down to a small shank, but most seem to be made that way (large ring - small shank). The one with an insert had a serial number that looked (# digits & font) like a reworked VZ. It also lacked the K Kale crest.

I have also spoken with a gunsmith who opened two Turk M38s up to large shank diameter by recutting the threads. He was pretty clear that it was all one steel, no insert.

LAGS
January 11, 2014, 11:04 PM
@ Lathedog.
The Turk 38's with the small thread barrel are sought after by some smiths because they think the receiver is stronger at the front.
I wouldn't know about that, but I see no advantage to opening up the receiver to a Large ring, when it is much easier to rethread a Large ring barrel or a blank barrel to the smaller thread.
That is what was done for my 25-06 on a K Kale receiver.

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