KSG Price Poll


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Dr. Sandman
December 18, 2013, 09:55 PM
KSG is about $1000.00 on Gunbroker right now. What are the opinions about the future price of the KSG?

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HammsBeer
December 19, 2013, 07:53 PM
You didn't add option number three, skip it.

Seen way too many vids of the thing jamming/misfeeding/just plain not cycling smoothly. For half that you could get a Mossberg 590a1 that's combat proven. JMO and probably not what you want to hear. As far as price, probably won't drop much. It's a novelty gun that commands novelty prices.

rule303
December 20, 2013, 09:57 AM
The MSRP when they first came out was around $600, so if supply were caught up with demand they should have had a street price of $500 or so. Demand far exceeded the supply, so people were willing to pay two or three times that. KT took notice, and now MSRP is over $1000. Realistically, it is an expensive novelty, and price will probably stay in the 800-1000 range unless Kel-Tec greatly increases their production, which judging by several of their other products which are still hard to get after a decade on the market, isn't going to happen.

Girodin
December 20, 2013, 02:23 PM
There is not a chance in the world I would pay $1k for a KSG. I'll spend that on a shotgun. In fact I just bought a $1K+ gun today. However, I wouldn't for the KSG. If it was $400 I might get it for the novelty of it. For $1k there are much neater toys, and they don't have nearly as many issues and drawbacks as the KSG has exhibited in its short life.

wow6599
December 20, 2013, 02:46 PM
It's a novel idea, but I think almost every other $1000 shotgun is better by a country mile.

Cut that price in half and I may consider it.

olderguns
December 20, 2013, 03:26 PM
If I pay $1000.00 for a Shotgun it would be a classy double barrel in wood, in plastic I,ll stick with my Mossberg with 8 round capacity and knoxx recoil-reducing grip I think it will handle anything that comes along, if not I doubt a extra 7shells will save me.

Erik M
December 20, 2013, 03:58 PM
It's a novel idea, but I think almost every other $1000 shotgun is better by a country mile.

Cut that price in half and I may consider it.
Bingo. Better options out there. It is a novel idea, but not innovative enough for the current asking price.

M2 Carbine
December 20, 2013, 04:35 PM
Mine was $1,000 several months ago.
When the gun store manager was offered the gun by his wholesaler, the guns were selling for over $1,500.

I told the manager I'd give $1,000 for it.

Since I buy A LOT OF GUNS there, the owner and manager sold it to me for $1,000.

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/KelTecKSGwchoke_zpsa0b9fa09.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/Bell-helicopter-407/media/KelTecKSGwchoke_zpsa0b9fa09.jpg.html)


A few weeks ago, while shooting on my range, several women shot my KSG and had a ball blowing up stuff. :D

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/AbbyshootingKSG2_zps0fea9fea.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/Bell-helicopter-407/media/AbbyshootingKSG2_zps0fea9fea.jpg.html)


Although I own a number of shotguns, some fitted with Streamlight TLR-2 laser lights, the shotgun has not been my first choice for HD. The AR is.
But since I got the KSG it's moved up to the go to gun.

Fred Fuller
December 20, 2013, 09:26 PM
For a semiauto, I'd consider paying a grand.

For a pumpgun, no way. Not even for a bullpup. I'd bet they will go down, if nothing significant changes on the legal front. Especially now that they have some competition - the UTAS Gen 2. One of my LGSs had two UTASs in stock yesterday when i went by, and I could have gotten one for a grand or close to it had I been willing.

AI&P Tactical
December 21, 2013, 02:51 AM
Dealer cost of the coated one is around $610 and about $648 for the other model. So yes, the cost will come down when supply meets demand. You will be able to get one for around $700 to $800 then. However Kel-tec is noted for not being able to supply much. Find a PMR for example. Not an issue from where I stand on this thing but certainly an issue for the guys that want one or like the one on who paid $2,990 for the first one sold on GB and the other guy that paid $4,000 for the first coated one on gun broker. I would like to be in the local gun shop when they come in to trade them.

And with that said there will be used ones out there as gun shop racks always get filled with the last greatest thing before the current greatest thing of course.

wideym
December 21, 2013, 03:10 AM
I paid a little over $800 for my KSG after tax. Since I work in a gunshop I get to call dibs on all the new stuff. The shops pricing is cost + 15% for regular inventory and cost + 10% for special order items.

Some of our distibutors will hold the newest guns for us, but often we can only buy a KSG or PMR30 if we buy five of the lesser desired guns along with it.

I've yet to have any malfunctions out of my KSG (250 rounds so far), but my RFB was a POS right out of the box. I just got it back from Keltec two days ago and now it runs like a champ.

Dr. Sandman
December 23, 2013, 08:39 PM
I'm seriously planning on buying one in the next 12 months. Is a grand too much to pay?

M2 Carbine
December 23, 2013, 08:59 PM
Is a grand too much to pay?
It wasn't for me but only you can answer that for yourself.

browningguy
December 23, 2013, 11:55 PM
I'd think pretty seriously about what you could get with that $1000. A Mossberg 930 JM or Rhythm semi auto and a bunch of 00 buckshot for example. You could probably find a Benelli M2 if you look around for that price also.

They don't hold quite as many rounds (although the Rhythm holds 13), but the reloading is a lot faster and both actions are well proven for durability and reliability.

jehu
December 24, 2013, 02:43 PM
The plain truth is that the KSG is the most inovative HD shotgun design ever to come out. That being said they did have some problems at first but these have been corrected. I had to send my 1rst one back for an upgrade and it now runs smooth as silk. For lawenforcement clearing a house or the average citizen going thru doors and turning corners in the house the length makes it very easy to manuver. With 15 rds of #4 buck it's a bad piece of machinery and with multiple home invaders possible in todays world it's great to have. I had a Rem870 Marine Magnum with a side saddle which was very heavy' the KSG has taken it's place. The prices might go down but we are only one mass shooting away from the Feds banning weapons like it so I say get one while you can. I now have two.:what:

strambo
December 24, 2013, 03:34 PM
I vote wait. At $700-$750 it seems perhaps worth it. At $1k, I'd be looking for a good semi-auto. Or an accessorized pump....and a handgun.

alexander45
December 24, 2013, 04:01 PM
Run run away ... There cool as snot but not a 1k gun 600-700 maybe. I would pay 650 for one but not 1k and with kel tek making ten a month for the whole US it will be some time befor they come down if ever maybe bright to buy one as an investment

M2 Carbine
December 24, 2013, 08:21 PM
and with kel tek making ten a month for the whole US
Where did you get that figure?

ifit
December 25, 2013, 09:21 AM
For that price, you should check out the vepr 12

chris in va
December 25, 2013, 09:43 PM
Guy at our local match tried to use one. Tried.

Girodin
December 27, 2013, 02:07 AM
The plain truth is that the KSG is the most inovative HD shotgun design ever to come out.

I'm not sure about that. what is its great innovation pray-tell? I was going to let you answer before pointing out that it is largely just a rehash of the Neosted, but I'll save the time and say that now. Also if we are being honest in a HD role is it genuinely any better than a number of other guns? Not on paper or in theory but in the real world. On paper having more rounds is better. But is one really going to need more than 8-9 rounds? If more rounds is per se better, then doesn't a saiga with a 20 round drum make for a much better option? It is compact (see below) However, If length is truly an issue a trip to tromix will give you a very compact package that hold 20 rounds. It also reloads much much much faster, has less felt recoil, and has all the advantages of a semi auto versus a pump.


For lawenforcement clearing a house or the average citizen going thru doors and turning corners in the house the length makes it very easy to manuver.

I like bullpups and I have bought a few. I like the handling of the ones I own. However, the only people I hear really complaining about maneuverability seem to be folks with no training or experience to speak of in how to use their guns. I would feel pretty safe saying you will never see the KSG used by law enforcement in any notable numbers.

The KSG in practical terms doesn't bring much more to the table as a self defense gun versus many other guns including a number that are MUCH less expensive. It is more compact than traditional non SBS guns and carries about 5-6 more rounds than traditional guns. There is much said about slug change overs, but I'm yet to hear of any actual HD events where a slug changeover was mandated and performed (or where the inability to perform it was outcome determinative). Furthermore, I think an argument could be made that it doesn't hold that much of an advantage over say a Benelli M2 when it comes to getting a couple slugs in the gun and fired. I think running a couple of slug change over drills that required singles and doubles on a shot timer would be informative.

If one is gearing up for HD with a shotgun (and we could have a whole other debate about a shotgun vs a carbine), the honest truth is one would be better off buying a $180 Hawk 981, attending a quality shot gun class or two and buying several hundred rounds of ammo to further hone and ingrain the skills learned instead of buying a KSG. Now I'm the first to note that for many people buying a $1k+ isn't mutually exclusive to getting training. I will not though that I haven't seen any KSGs in training classes. I haven't even seen second hand reports of it.

I'd encourage someone with the funds to buy two KSGs to take a shotgun class with the KSG and give us an ARR.

For my money I'd rather have either a S12 SBS or a Benelli if I want a traditional gun. If money was consideration (and since the OP is asking about price it appears it is) I'd rather have a basic pump with a couple thoughtful additions and some solid training.

IMHO, the KSG is a lot like the RFB, a lot cooler on paper than it is in the real world.

Chris, I'd be interested in hearing more details. Serious shooters don't seem to be picking these up in any kind of number and so I haven't seen as many reports from competition or classes as I'd like.

horsemen61
December 27, 2013, 02:38 AM
I'm interested in finding out if the op does get one they are not for me grandpa used an 870 so did dad and as do I if that won't handle it well I guess I shouldn't be shooting it or I'd pick up my AR 15

jehu
December 27, 2013, 09:01 AM
Girodin you make some good points. I said that the design of the KSG is inovative and I think in time it will be improved on and perfected to a point where lawenforcement will definitly be useing a shotgun very much like it. As far as not needing the avalible rounds of 15 why then do you use a 30 rd mag in your AR15? It's your $ get what you want' for me the KSG is running fine and I am comfortable with it for the primary HD role.;)

wow6599
December 27, 2013, 11:05 AM
I'm going to wait for Ruger to come out with "their" version. :rolleyes:

They will be available, more refined and probably run around $575+/-.

Same for the RFB. And PMR.

zhyla
December 27, 2013, 12:10 PM
As a range toy/fancy gun $1k isn't outrageous. But everything I've read about this thing leads me to think it's a crap design. Just because it's a cool looking bullpup doesn't mean it's "innovative".

Why they didn't go with a detachable magazine I don't understand. I'd take a Saiga 12 any day over the KSG (but I'm sticking with my boring/reliable/cheaper Mossberg pump).

I think in time it will be improved on and perfected to a point where lawenforcement will definitly be useing a shotgun very much like it.

Maybe your area is different but I see AR-15's in cop cars more than 870's lately. Shotguns are on their way out in that field, I think.

DammitBoy
December 27, 2013, 01:03 PM
I spent $900 on a Benelli M1 Super 90 instead.

Every video I've seen of the KSG showed jamming issues. No thanks!

RVN11B
December 27, 2013, 01:03 PM
I have had mine for over a year now. And that was after waiting yet another year previously for my order to be filled!

Any way first things first, I have absolutely no negative issues with the gun. Period!

Secondly I have had many chuckles after reading the cut throat prices on the INTERNET. Flat out I paid $730 out the door.

I consider it money well spent. ;)

Girodin
December 27, 2013, 06:36 PM
When you say you have had zero issues can you give us some context to make that statement meaningful? Have you shot 100 rounds, 1k, 10k? How have you been using it, casual static square range plinking, a season a 3 gun, a Louis awerbuck shotgun class, what? Saying you've had no issues without giving a context of how it's been used means nothing.

Master Blaster
December 27, 2013, 07:00 PM
Its a novelty limited to one purpose only looking tacticool. When the FBI, or state police units start issuing these to patrol officers or swat and using these on raids let me know and I will reconsider my opinion. I'd rather stick with my 1187 with an 18" barrel and 7 reliable rounds, no chance of short stroking under pressure and I can change barrels and chokes and use it for trap.

Justin
December 29, 2013, 01:05 PM
I'd rather have an M1 or M2 Benelli or even one of the new Beretta shotguns.

The KSG is a neat idea, and I'm glad to see someone taking a bit of a risk on a new design. The problem is that someone is Kel-Tec, home of the awesome idea, mediocre execution, and limited production.

While the KSG is a neat concept, it's suffered from all kinds of developmental problems, and no one seems to have been able to get through a 3 gun match or serious shotgun training course with one.

The other problem is that it's a manually-operated shotgun in a world where there are at least four extremely well-made pump-action shotguns that have been available for the better part of a century. On top of that, we now live in an era where reliable semi-automatic shotguns are now extremely common-place, and often times at a price point at around what a KSG goes for. For my money, I'd rather have a semi-auto shotgun with a 9-round capacity than a pump-action with a 15 round capacity.

Which brings me to my biggest gripe about the KSG. It's a pain to load, reload, and do select slug drills with it.

Granted, reloading a Benelli is no picnic, either, but with practice it's possible for even an average shooter to fire a round, load eight shells in it, and fire another round in about eight seconds.

From what I've seen of the KSG, there's no way to quickly reload the gun, as the design requires you to reach up and inside the gun. This would make reloading difficult, especially when moving, as you're going to have your hand jammed into the action of the gun practically up to your wrist.

Ok, yeah, I can hear you objecting "My KSG has a capacity of 15 rounds! I won't need to reload!"

Let's assume you're right, and there's a magical capacity that renders the need to reload moot.

Great. Now what are you going to do when you need to load an individual slug to hit a target at range? You're still stuck with having to work around the KSG's terrible loading interface, and even the best techniques for loading the gun require you to tip the barrel toward the ground and stare into the loading port, which is going to be a problem if you have to move, or want to keep an eye on your target.


From where I sit, the KSG is a one-trick pony with a slogan of "Capacity Uber Alles!" The problem is that this fixation on capacity negates the one thing that shotguns do really well, which is the ability to specifically tailor ammunition to a given task.

Now, if they could take the capacity of the KSG and graft it onto a semi-automatic design that allows for easy reloads and select-slug drills, then you'd have my attention.

As it is, I can already get two of those things (capacity, fast reloads) with an MKA1919, which also has the added advantage of being semi-auto.

evan price
December 30, 2013, 06:04 AM
Meh. Its cachet is that the owner can be the Cool Kid at the range. Otherwise, heavy, reliability issues, doesn't do anything better than a gun half the price (except hold a few more shells, which makes it heavy.) Wouldn't want one for dealer wholesale, let alone inflated MSRP.
Kel-Tec's strategy of coming out with interesting items and then not making many of them seems to be working for them though.

A guy at my LGS came in with a basket full of guns he was trading in to get a precision long range rifle. Included in the pile was a PMR30. The dealer evaluated his trades and gave him $200 trade value for the PMR30.
Saw it on the shelf the next day for $600. And it was gone by the next day.

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