Glock 27 muzzle flip


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cidirkona
March 29, 2004, 01:47 PM
Is it just me or is the muzzle flip on a glock 27 (.40 subcompact) a little excessive. The recoil seems sharp but controllable - but the muzzleflip I couldn't take. The 27 is on sale right now for $477 and the .40sw keeps getting better and better reviews.

I told the sales guy about how I rented one a couple months back and couldn't control the flip to for double taps (which would result in one center-of-mass on the target, and one broken ceiling tile) and he said I was holding the 27 incorrectly - that my hand should be much higher on the grip than where it fits, and that my thumb should be straight out along the new little thumb slot on the frame...

I like the 27's size, capacity and ballistics -- maybe I just need to rent it again? (It doens't have the sexy lines like my firestorm does though...)

The other carry weapon I was looking at was the Taurus Millenim Pro in .45, but that DAO trigger seems kinda stiff. The guy working there said smoothing the action will usually get you in trouble in defending yourself in a self-defense lawsuit.

-Colin

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dairycreek
March 29, 2004, 03:43 PM
No question that the G27 has quite a bit of muzzle flip. That is IMHO just a fact of life with that little pistol. However, some practice and experimentation will help you both get used and control the muzzle flip. It is not excessive just really noticeable. Good shooting;)

cidirkona
March 29, 2004, 03:50 PM
The muzzle flip on my firestorm isn't bad at all even though it's tiny -- then again, it's only a .380 ...

-Colin

Ala Dan
March 29, 2004, 04:23 PM
Actually, I can shoot the sub compact G-27 better
than I can the G-23; or the .40 caliber SIG P229! :uhoh: :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

cratz2
March 29, 2004, 04:27 PM
The G27 is a small, lightweight gun that shoots a decent powered cartridge from a short barrel... Physics are going to take over and the result will be that there will be increased muzzle flip, esp when shooting hotter loads with lighter bullets and it means that you might have to work to find a load that suits your abilities right now while working on those abilities.

It is controlable. I know a guy that daily carries a G29 and while his double taps obviously aren't going to be as quick as with standard pressure rounds in the G17, the second bullet NEVER hits the ceiling. :scrutiny:

You could also consider the G23. It isn't dramatically more difficult to conceal than the G27 and double taps are not an issue with Georgia Arms 165 Gr Gold Dots.

Besides, maybe double taps are overrated... did Dirty Harry ever resort to such nonsense? And he killed himself all kinds of dead guys. :p

Ala Dan, I know you've commented that you can shoot the G27 more accurately than the G23 or SIG 229, but you can't acutally do faster double taps within the same general group size at short distances, can you? That seems... almost impossible... unless something is wrong with the 23 and the 229... Unless you're using differet loads or something like that.

1911Tuner
March 29, 2004, 04:49 PM
Grab that sucker with both hands and hang on tight!


Sorry...The coffee kicked in and I'm on a roll.:D

The Tourist
March 29, 2004, 05:10 PM
I own a Glock 27, loaded with Golden Sabers.

I believe in 'aimed fire,' not point shooting. As such, I use a modified Weaver. I believe the 'push-pull' of the position (often called 'dynamic tension') is the best way to steady ANY firearm.

Rich357
March 29, 2004, 09:40 PM
I also tend to shoot the G27 better than the G23. I enjoy shooting the G27. I also enjoy shooting the G33 and G36. While you're renting Glocks give the G33 and G36 a try.

Rich

HIPOWER
March 29, 2004, 10:19 PM
My G27 has a lot of "flip" using the hotter loads with lighter bullets, like the 155 gr. Win Silvertip. I switched to 180 gr. Win Ranger and it is definitely more tame. Also the 180 gr. Rangers have performed well out of the G27 in testing. Try 'em out.

cidirkona
March 29, 2004, 11:38 PM
Thanks for all the responses, I'll definately have to get some 180gr next time I go down to the range. Looking at the stats on the firestorm and glock websites, the G27 is actually smaller than my .380 firestorm -- and higher capacity none the less.... twice the price though ... :scrutiny:

Does anyone make higher capacity magazines -- or can others be made to fit with 15 or so round-per-mag?

-Colin

cidirkona
March 29, 2004, 11:41 PM
I do have my CCW, so a better capacity/caliber carry peice is my goal...

-Colin

Ala Dan
March 30, 2004, 12:17 AM
Greeting's All-

cratz2 my friend- you are correct kind'a. You see,
I never practiced double tap's with any of the .40
calibers that I mentioned; only with my daily carry self-
loader, the .45 caliber SIG P220A. Also its kind'a stupid,
but I didn't keep the .40's around that long! :uhoh: :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

cidirkona
March 30, 2004, 04:30 AM
The salesman at the shop said the same thing about the 23 -- not dramatically bigger, and one round higher capacity. I'm a small guy, and it gets decently hot here in Tucson, every scrap makes a huge difference. The grip is the same length with the extension on it - but I'd still want the ability and choice to go without one for an extra 3/4" smaller size. I'll probably end up getting a keltec p3at due to the size and pocketability.

The other salesman that sees me in there on occassion new it was a Friday told the new guy I was talking to "It's payday, he's got money in his pocket, sell him something!"

I didn't think it was funny at all... :scrutiny:

-Colin

Island Beretta
March 30, 2004, 09:54 AM
It does lift a lot but I guess the other benefits override that.. relatively light weight, high capacity, potent caliber, tough etc. etc. it is very popular as a LE backup weapon, for e.g. the Kentucky State troopers carry it as their backup weapon.

cratz2
March 30, 2004, 01:12 PM
Also its kind'a stupid, but I didn't keep the .40's around that long!
That's not stupid... If you don't like a gun and it has no sentimental value, why keep it around? :p

cidirkona, the G27 holds 9 in the mag or 11 in the mag with law enforcement mags. I'm not 100% sure how common civilian preban mags are for the G27. The G23 on the other hand holds 10 rounds in all mags and either 13 or 15 rounds in very widely available preban mags. The 13 round mags will fit flush in the pistol grip while the 15 round mags will stick out an extra half inch or so as they are intended for the G22 pistol... still completely reliable.

Many folks find the pinky extension makes the G27 easier to shoot, but at that point, the grip of the gun is as long as it is on the G23... which realistically holds four more rounds and has a longer barrel to help get the velocity up to speed, so to speak. ;)

cidirkona
March 30, 2004, 10:34 PM
Some lucky Tucsonan put a g27 on layaway today before the sale ends... :D :D :D

-Colin

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