which SKS to buy ??


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goatman54
January 2, 2014, 01:01 PM
Any help with decideing which SKS to purchase. RUSIAN,CHINESE OR YUGO ? I`ve been leaning toward the russian models. Any ideas would be appreciated.

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improperlyaged
January 2, 2014, 01:03 PM
Depends on how much you want to spend. Chinese are considered lowest quality but they are still great shooters. I have 2 <deleted> sks rifles and they have been nothing but flawless. I have also had Romanian and Russian, considered to be the top of the line when it comes to SKS, and yet they went boom just as much as the chinese.

greyling22
January 2, 2014, 01:09 PM
I would rank them as russian>china>yugo because I don't like the grenade launcher on the yugo. The russian cycled better than the china. I would take a china paratrooper model over a russian regular model though. I would not pay more than 75 extra for a russian over china.

Guns&Religion
January 2, 2014, 01:44 PM
I really like my Norinco Chinese model, and based on my own experience tend to favor that one. The Chinese models usually come with chrome lined barrels, which can be really helpful, especially if you buy a used rifle that has had a few hundred rounds of cheap corrosive Russian ammo put through it.

If you find a good deal on a Russian model, just check the rifling to make sure it's in good shape, (good policy when purchasing ANY firearm in my opinion).

SKS's are rifles to shoot cheap ammo and have cheap fun with. Mine does that quite well.

Jackal
January 2, 2014, 03:02 PM
Russian, Chinese then Yugo. Yugo's arent bad rifles, they are just heavy and carry unnecessary weight forward on the barrel/no chrome lining. If you can find a nice Arsenal 26 Norinco, grab it, its the best SKS made aside from an original Russian. I recently scored this one unfired, still in cosmoline for $325.

nathan
January 3, 2014, 12:22 PM
All of them are good. My first one to have was a Russian 1950 non refurbed so naturally i like it . But the trigger break was horrible. I did kill my first wild hog with it at closed range in 1996. So lots of memories...

My Chicoms were original PLA issue and has the sweetest and smoothest trigger break like breaking glass. I like the slimmer woodstock though making it more pointable. The chromelined barrrel is a breeze to clean .

The Yugos of late were heavy but very accurate with their heavy barrels. SInce im used to the weight it doesnt matter now. I hit target with ease even at 100 yrds if i do my part.

Speedo66
January 3, 2014, 06:13 PM
Are all the stocks the same length? My Chinese model, even with the addition of a 2" pad, still feels short.

However, it's probably one of the most reliable firearms I've ever owned, and I shoot the cheapest ammo there is. :rolleyes: It has all been non corrosive though.

lobo9er
January 3, 2014, 06:16 PM
I have enjoyed a Yugo for the last 6 years now.

aka108
January 3, 2014, 06:22 PM
At one time I owned 3 Russian, one Polish and a Norinco "paratrooper". One of the Russian's was a decent and reliable shooter with a laminated stock. Gave it to my son. The other two Russians did not function reliably so sold them to a dealer. The Polish was a new rifle but not too accuate. The Norinc is the jewel of the 5 I've owned and is the only one I have kept over the years. Guess you know what I'd recommend.

Steel Horse Rider
January 3, 2014, 09:26 PM
I love my Yugo's and would buy another (or 2 or 3) if they were available at a reasonable price, but I also have Russian and Chinese models. The Russian is probably the best looking, the Yugo's are my favorites to shoot, (I am not detered by weight or the bayonet as I regularly carry 50 to 100 lb loads in my course of work) and the Chinese is my least favorite. Other opinions may differ.

fteter
January 3, 2014, 09:53 PM
Own a Chinese myself. Great rifle. Extremely reliable.

In all honesty, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the top 3 types (Russian, Chinese or Yugo)...but I'm personally not a big fan of the grenade launcher.

Palehorseman
January 3, 2014, 09:55 PM
Guns&Religion

I really like my Norinco Chinese model, and based on my own experience tend to favor that one. The Chinese models usually come with chrome lined barrels, which can be really helpful, especially if you buy a used rifle that has had a few hundred rounds of cheap corrosive Russian ammo put through it.

If you find a good deal on a Russian model, just check the rifling to make sure it's in good shape, (good policy when purchasing ANY firearm in my opinion).

SKS's are rifles to shoot cheap ammo and have cheap fun with. Mine does that quite well.




When it comes to doing damage, there is little to no difference between firing corrosive and noncorrosive ammo in rifles. The problem comes when not promptly and properly cleaning the weapon that corrosive ammo was fired in.

silicosys4
January 3, 2014, 11:53 PM
Some variations of the norinco's take ak mags. Those are fun but harder to find

justice06rr
January 4, 2014, 01:01 AM
Russian, Chinese then Yugo. Yugo's arent bad rifles, they are just heavy and carry unnecessary weight forward on the barrel/no chrome lining. If you can find a nice Arsenal 26 Norinco, grab it, its the best SKS made aside from an original Russian. I recently scored this one unfired, still in cosmoline for $325.


+10000

That's a very nice Chinese SKS you have. It looks identical to one that I used to own. Don't ever sell it!!! I regret selling mine now :(

Russian SKS are considered the best, but I've seen some very nice unissued Chinese SKS Norinco that are in excellent shape.

I owned a Chinese SKS Arsenal 26 and it was one of the nicest I've ever seen. Unfortunately I sold it when times were tough; I'm currently looking to buy another chinese. I also owned a Yugo 59/66. Was a decent rifle but the wood was beat up and the barrel and recevier had some scratches and rust spots. Its hard to find a Yugo in perfect shape, but you sometimes you can find a Chinese or Russian that is in perfect shape.

Cee Zee
January 4, 2014, 05:01 AM
I don't know where the idea came from the Norincos are inferior to Yugos. They aren't in my experience and yes I have one of each. Both are dead reliable and about equally accurate but the Yugo has about 4 lbs. of extra stuff on it that I won't be needing. And those Yugos can be tricky to change configurations on.

nathan
January 4, 2014, 01:10 PM
The easiest way to clean out corrosive salt s from nonchromelined barrels is to just pour hot water down from the breach to the muzzle . If im at the range i have a empty water bottle. I fill it with hot water from the range rest room area. Once i finish shooting, i just remove the bolt carrier and bolt. And pour down the hot water down the breach just to wash off the corrosive salts. I let it drain for a minute then pack up and leave. This process takes only a minute or two.

Or i could go to full cleaning with rod and patches at the range table. Either way it takes care of the gun cleaning and keep my toys nice and comfy.

Ignition Override
January 5, 2014, 03:29 PM
goatman:
If you are very fortunate, you might be able to spot a type of Yugo which is hard to find. These M59s were mfg. withOut the gr. launchers.
Therefore No gas valve etc. A guy at a recent show here had one in excellent condition. Yesterday I took my typical Chinese to his personal shop and traded it for a second M59.

If you find a really good Russian for the right price, not only do they have harder, more attractive wood than most of the commercially-produced "military" Chinese, but also (should have) the blade bayonet and will have the chrome-lined bore.The Chinese are not C&R because the ATF has no access to the required Chinese govt. data.

Have you checked "SKSboards"? They even have a forum for the Romanian variety. A ton of reference data and some photos
are at "YooperJohn's" website. For example, he lists the Yugo A-C (Pre-grenade launchers) as serial numbers 15,000-49,200. The 59/66 began in '67.

justice06rr
January 14, 2014, 11:16 PM
Since we're on the topic of SKS's, I have a question about Chinese ones.

Are the Norinco Arsenal /26\ SKS much more superior or collectible than a regular Chinese (non-26)???

I found a Chinese without the Arsenal /26\ marking, with dark cherry red stock at a local pawn shop for $400. Bore, stock, and receivers look good, and serial#'s all match. I know its not the best price, but its the only one I've found locally that's not over $450.

improperlyaged
January 15, 2014, 02:12 AM
I know its not the best price, but its the only one I've found locally that's not over $450.

That price seems ridiculous. But if it is all you can find under 450, then you will not be disappointed. I would say go for it.

grimjaw
January 15, 2014, 08:35 AM
I would have recommended the cheapest version you could find (which for awhile would have been a Yugo). If they've been cared for they will all shoot pretty much the same, considering the sights involved. Now that they are all running about the same price (i.e. too high), if it's going to be a shooter I'd recommend anything except the Russian. That's not a knock on the quality of those versions, just their rarity and possible resale value as collector's items. I personally like the Yugo, since I can't get much else with a grenade launcher. If not the Yugo, I'd recommend a Romanian if you can find it in good condition and for a reasonable price. You can match it with Tokarev (and possibly a Mosin Nagant) built in the same country close to the same year for a matching set. :)

Cee Zee
January 15, 2014, 12:33 PM
I have a Norinco and a Yugo. I much prefer the Chinese rifle. Both are fine rifles but all that weight is something I could do without. I can shoot the Norinco off hand easily and pretty accurate. It's much harder with the Yugo because it's so front end heavy. It's hard to hold it steady with all that weight up front. That's basically the only difference IMO. I don't get why people think the Chinese rifles are worse. Some are I guess but if you get one of the 26 models instead of the made for the US market models you will have one fine rifle. The recently released Norincos I've seen didn't look that great though. The stocks were like cross ties and the barrels looked like they had a few 100 thousand rounds through them. I have no idea how well they shoot though.

But any SKS you get is likely to be a good rifle unless it has been shot hard and put up wet. You will see some with corrosion in the barrel from firing corrosive ammo. I've seen them so gunked up the firing pin wouldn't function right which is a bad thing. They just need a really good cleaning but that takes some work. And some of the made for the US models (like the Cowboy Companion, etc.) aren't as good. But a true milsurp SKS is about as reliable as it gets.

SuedePflow
January 15, 2014, 01:01 PM
I'm partial to the Yugo as it is the only one that allows me the enjoyment of launching dummy grenades.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/paulvolk/Shooting/20131014_182051_zps76185143.jpg

tahunua001
January 15, 2014, 03:15 PM
russian is your best quality but also most rare as it lost out early to the AK47 and is also more expensive.

Chinese is your most common SKS and the early type 56 are essentially a russian SKS as they were built on russian equipment under guidance from russian advisors.

yugos are pretty common and are good guns but they have a smaller gas port so it's easier to rust itself shut and turn the gun into a straight pull bolt action(you have to manually cycle each round). they also usually have a grenade launcher/flash hider which adds another part that must either be replaced or removed as per 922R should you decide you want to change the design up.

the Chinese is likely your best bang for your buck. I own one, love it, will likely never sell it. my entire family has always had low opinions of SKS because of how cheap and plentiful they were in the 90s but my chinese type 56 is rapidly changing their minds... especially when I was hitting pill bottles full of tannerite at 70 yards with mine with open sights every shot...

TRX
January 15, 2014, 04:52 PM
Find one you like. Buy it. Be happy.

Back when they were cheap, I thought they were ugly, sneered at the fixed 10-round magazine, and 7.62x39 ammunition was expensive. If I had put forth the effort to learn a bit more about Simonov's rifle, I'd be sitting fat and happy and telling you stories about when Sarco was selling them three for $89.95. [sound of head hitting wall]

Besides, SKSs are like Mosins. You'll probably wind up with many more than one eventually... they're light, reliable, handy little carbines and a blast to shoot.

tahunua001
January 15, 2014, 05:44 PM
Back when they were cheap, I thought they were ugly, sneered at the fixed 10-round magazine, and 7.62x39 ammunition was expensive
what? when was this? I remember when a can of 7.62x39 cost about the same as a brick of 22lr... and I'm not that old.

Average Joe
January 15, 2014, 06:52 PM
I have a Russian,Norinco, and a Yugo, I like the Yugo the least because of all the junk on the front end....

RUT
January 15, 2014, 07:06 PM
>>but I'm personally not a big fan of the grenade launcher.<<

Same here... I hate all that crap hanging off the front. If you just want a good shooter you're better off with a Norinco etc.

Cee Zee
January 15, 2014, 11:31 PM
It is possible to remove the grenade launcher but there can be problems with the gas valve. I'd suggest having a gunsmith do that job because they will know how to fix the gas valve right. Mine does anyway. I talked to him about removing the launcher from my Yugo. I haven't done it yet because I don't want to risk messing up a good rifle. I think I'd rather just sell it and buy an AR. But I don't really need to sell it so I'm keeping it for now.

writerinmo
January 16, 2014, 12:48 AM
I have a mid-70's Chinese and picked up two of the Royal Tiger C&R eligible 1956 Sino-Soviet rifles, all are great shooters but the first year Sino's just feel like they're built better. No complaints on any of them. Never owned a Yugo or a Russian though.

Ignition Override
January 16, 2014, 02:09 AM
goatman54: I sent you a really long pm with just an idea, which might be worth looking into.

Can you attend gun shows up in MA, or could you visit some in VT, NH, etc and if lucky, have something shipped home to an FFL at a moderate cost?

Ohio Gun Guy
January 18, 2014, 12:47 PM
Another vote for all of the above....

I've got a chinese Norinco.... and really like it. Had it a LONG time.

I would like to get a russian, just because. I've handled the Yugoslavian sks's and they are heavier, but any would make a fine rifle.

Dr. Sandman
January 19, 2014, 05:23 PM
Get one with a fixed 10 round mag. It will be a solid, well functioning weapon. Some of the detachable mags are just junk!

Grassman
January 19, 2014, 05:26 PM
I've had a Norinco, Russian and a Yugo, I prefer the Russian.

RUT
January 19, 2014, 05:27 PM
I agree.... If you feel the need for a detachable hi cap mag just get an AK instead. The SKS was never designed for that.

RIATAC45
January 19, 2014, 05:30 PM
I have had 2 Norinco sks' and currently have a Yugo. Both function fine, the Chinese are lighter but my Yugo is more accurate. I placed 5th in our club milsurp match against Garands, 1903s, Mausers, and Enfields. I think it shoots pretty good if you do your part.

ridgerunner1965
January 19, 2014, 06:48 PM
ive had maybe 2 dozen different ones, mostly chinese and never a russian.they all worked and shot fine. back in the day i purchased a lot of them for 100$ and sold them off for 125-150$. i really never bench rested them so couldnt tell yu much about the accuracy.the very first one i had i shot almost every day. in fact shot a 1.5 foot thick walnut tree in half with it over a 2 year period. id step out the back door and bang a couple rounds off at a plowshare i had nailed to it about 150 yrds away. the plowshare would clang and jump when you hit it.

that same gun and most of the others would would easily smoke a brick at 100 yrds i was buying the cheap white box russian ammo for about 1.50$ a box then.

bill.l.johnson
January 19, 2014, 08:20 PM
I've enjoyed my 58' Romanian for about 10 years now. This one is all matching and very accurate. Never a problem with it. I use the 10 round fixed magazine most of the time, but also have used the conversion 20 round TAPCO magazines. Have not had problems with either. I got lucky and the TAPCO fit the mag slot without any modification.
I believe the Russian the Romanian and the Albanian are more sought after and supposedly the better quality, but I am sure they are all good. They have survived a long time and are still in use around the world.

You will enjoy the SKS, no matter what you get.

Cee Zee
January 19, 2014, 08:45 PM
I agree.... If you feel the need for a detachable hi cap mag just get an AK instead. The SKS was never designed for that.

My Norinco works perfectly with detachable mags. It has for 20+ years. But reloading with stripper clips is just as fast and you can carry more ammo because you don't have to carry the weight of the mags. My Yugo will never get detachables. But the idea they never work is just bunk. If you use a Norinco and USA brand mags you have a very good chance of a rifle that works perfectly.

will11
January 19, 2014, 09:08 PM
The SKS is a nice rifle no mater which one you buy. But like its been said the AK-47 mag. fed is the sweet way to go if you can afford it.

Cee Zee
January 19, 2014, 10:42 PM
I much prefer an SKS over an AK will11. My AK wasn't as accurate as my SKS. The good SKS models are true milsurp. The AK's we get to buy aren't. They're designed to be sold in this country, not to be a weapon of war.

T2K
January 20, 2014, 09:40 AM
Just to repeat, the Yugo Type 59 without the grenade launcher mess (just a normal SKS) has been sold in the US. I've got one as my only SKS, so can't compare to others.

krupparms
January 20, 2014, 05:58 PM
I have owned a number of SKS,s over the years . The Norinco guns were built by the P.L.A. at the same factories that built military firearms . The MOD.D was a SKS built to take AK mag,s . It was made for the American market as it was not a military item . I may be wrong ,but have never seen it listed that way . The SKS rifles from China are well made and are a good buy . The YUGO SKS is a well made firearm as well . The U.S.A. mag,s that replace the regular 10 rd. mag. can be reliable but I find they must be fitted to that rifle. I have only shot the Russian and Romanian SKS rifles but they seemed well made and shot fine. If I had a choice it would be a Norinco PARA model or the SKS/D model. I have also found that using stripper clips , the system works better than using the U.S.A. magazines . Also it seems the SKS is going up in price . I would also get stripper clips and ammo. Hope this helps , good luck and enjoy the SKS. ITs a great rifle!

Robbins290
January 20, 2014, 07:33 PM
I agree, the Yugoslavian sks's are the best shooters. Little on the heavy side. But the gas shut to launch golf balls is a plus

Cee Zee
January 20, 2014, 09:36 PM
My Norinco is more accurate than my Yugo but the trigger work done by Kivaari probably had a lot to do with that. BTW those type 59 Yugos are hard to find in the US. I know some exist but I've never even seen one.

silicosys4
January 20, 2014, 11:45 PM
If I had a choice it would be a Norinco PARA model or the SKS/D model.

How about the best of both worlds? When I was looking for an SKS this was my decision, a Norinco SKS-M...Para length and takes AK magazines :cool:


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