Ky Long Rifle


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ese927
January 15, 2014, 01:39 PM
I have been offered to buy 2 rifles. 1 is a percussion the other is a flint lock. both appear to be tiger maple stock full length. the metals seem to have a nice patina. I have no idea what to look for to try and determine the authenticity. I am told I is 1864 model the other is supposedly pre 1840. the flint does look like someone may have whittled on the stock at some point, but it still looks aged. priced at $900 for both. is this good price? what should I look for on these rifles? Any suggestions or insight would be helpful.

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Jim K
January 16, 2014, 02:02 PM
Sorry, but without good quality pictures, no one can really help. The best I can say is that unless you have some knowledge, be very careful. Most folks think that such old rifles are worth a lot more than they are. I once knew a man who paid $4000 for an ordinary percussion rifle in poor condition that was worth maybe $500 on a good day.

Jim

ese927
January 18, 2014, 11:57 AM
The pic I got of the bore did not take. I would say this gun was .30 cal. about 50" overall length not as good as I had hoped it would be. man Already sold the flintlock. so both are percussion.


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ese927
January 18, 2014, 12:09 PM
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ese927
January 18, 2014, 12:19 PM
1864 Springfield US military you can see some one has cut off the stock, bore almst looks shotgun to me....but I have no experience with these type guns. old I know of are my dads navy colts - cap and ball. this gun is thin wall barrel. the other gun 1 is heavy but id guess .30 cal, gun two here would be like .60 - .70 from the bore193752

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Hanshi
January 18, 2014, 03:33 PM
What I see isn't a longrifle. It looks suspiciously like an old battered military (possibly Springfield) rifle. Longrifles - also called, Kentucky rifles, Pennsylvania rifles, Southern Mountain Rifles, etc - have a full stock to the muzzle, graceful lines and unique architecture.

Jim K
January 20, 2014, 12:05 AM
The gun marked Springfield 1864 is (or was) a standard Model 1863 rifle musket, Type II. Around 255,000 were made during the Civil War. It would originally have had a 40" rifled barrel of .58 caliber. After the war, they were obsolete and were sold off as surplus. Many, like that one, were converted to shotguns, while a few were converted by the army to use metallic cartridges. That one cannot be restored and current value is negligible, though the lock parts may be worth a few dollars.

The other gun is odd, in that it uses a back action lock, very uncommon on American rifles, but fairly common on foreign shotguns. It looks like a gunsmith (who knows when?) made up a rifle using an old shotgun lock. With a cracked stock, no name and that odd lock, it also is a pretty low value item.

IMHO, neither gun, or even both together, would be worth anywhere near $900. As they say on Pawn Stars, "Just because something is old doesn't mean it is valuable."

Save your money until something good comes along.

Jim

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