Getting a ton of questions about "Assault Shotguns"


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berettashotgun
January 16, 2014, 01:29 PM
Used to shoot 10-15 rounds a week and several of my coworkers know about it. Clays/trap and the long lost ZZ-birds......
Anyways, I continuously get questions about which new ( IMPORTED from turkey/spain/china.) shotgun would be the "best" for HD.
I don't have a clue about the quality of some of the stuff Academy or Dick's or Cabela's or................... get the point?
I have always used Beretta shotguns. Learned on them 40+ years ago. Still use them. Don't see me wearing out either of my 1201FP's. They kick a ton, but they sure are reliable.

I get confused with terminology - doesn't assault mean to charge forward ~ and HD means to maintain a defensive location? What the heck is a door breacher on a HD shotgun for???

I know when I was a kid everyone wanted a Luger pistol and a M1 carbine or M16 because they were " COOL ". Nobody wanted a 1911 -strange. Dad's already had one, we wanted exotic.
I have since moved away from that mentality due to lack of funds.:neener:
But it appears folks are doing the same thing with HD. Not cool IMHO.
I guess in a long-winded way I am trying to question why anyone would want a shotgun with 10-15 do-dads hanging off their life or death weapon.
I despise shooting a pistolgrip from the floor, don't feel the need for any sights at HD ranges, and having more than the mag full, feel like I sure need more friends on my side of the scuffle. The only thing on my shotgun extra from the factory is the shells.
Any excuse to get a firearm is perfect to me, ANY excuse!, but a " GO-TO " shotgun from ..........WHO??? Not me.

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Coyote3855
January 16, 2014, 02:18 PM
So what exactly is your question?

9mmfan
January 16, 2014, 02:27 PM
Some folks just like what others have dubbed "tacticool." Some folks don't.

I'm guessing you fall into the latter category. Different strokes.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. I don't think anyone is going to force you to hang doo-dads off your shotgun.

Master Blaster
January 16, 2014, 02:31 PM
I am trying to question why anyone would want a shotgun with 10-15 do-dads hanging off their life or death weapon.
I despise shooting a pistolgrip from the floor, don't feel the need for any sights at HD ranges, and having more than the mag full, feel like I sure need more friends on my side of the scuffle. The only thing on my shotgun extra from the factory is the shells.


Me too, The deal is some folks want to substitute doodads and large capacity rotary tubes and magazines for practice.
The high speed low drag crowd doesn't see the usefulness of practicing shooting at moving targets or how that could apply to home defense. They do not understand the concept of shoots where you look or why you dont need SIGHTS on a shotgun..

I am sure a few of them will be along to disagree with me shortly...

Schwing
January 16, 2014, 02:36 PM
Used to shoot 10-15 rounds a week and several of my coworkers know about it. Clays/trap and the long lost ZZ-birds......
Anyways, I continuously get questions about which new ( IMPORTED from turkey/spain/china.) shotgun would be the "best" for HD.
I don't have a clue about the quality of some of the stuff Academy or Dick's or Cabela's or................... get the point?
I have always used Beretta shotguns. Learned on them 40+ years ago. Still use them. Don't see me wearing out either of my 1201FP's. They kick a ton, but they sure are reliable.

I get confused with terminology - doesn't assault mean to charge forward ~ and HD means to maintain a defensive location? What the heck is a door breacher on a HD shotgun for???

I know when I was a kid everyone wanted a Luger pistol and a M1 carbine or M16 because they were " COOL ". Nobody wanted a 1911 -strange. Dad's already had one, we wanted exotic.
I have since moved away from that mentality due to lack of funds.:neener:
But it appears folks are doing the same thing with HD. Not cool IMHO.
I guess in a long-winded way I am trying to question why anyone would want a shotgun with 10-15 do-dads hanging off their life or death weapon.
I despise shooting a pistolgrip from the floor, don't feel the need for any sights at HD ranges, and having more than the mag full, feel like I sure need more friends on my side of the scuffle. The only thing on my shotgun extra from the factory is the shells.
Any excuse to get a firearm is perfect to me, ANY excuse!, but a " GO-TO " shotgun from ..........WHO??? Not me.
My opinion is that people are buying into the advertising. The companies that make all of these accessories are very good at making it sound like your life hangs in the balance. They give the impression that, if you don't own their gadget, that your chances of surviving an HD encounter is just not good.

The other thing I have even been caught up in a few times is just the coolness factor. I mean, I didn't really need that shroud, pistol grip, tactical light and magazine holder for my Hi point 995. I would never even consider picking it up in an HD situation unless it was already in my hands but I still bought it all because it put a smile on my face:)

PJSprog
January 16, 2014, 03:06 PM
I recently converted my Mossberg 500 Security back to "normal" ... removed the front and back pistol grips that had been on it for 20+ years and reinstalled the factory wood. Now, I actually like it again.

While I understand the attraction of such overly-accessorized weapons to some people, I also understand that all the gadgets and gizmos in the world won't make up for solid training.

Fred Fuller
January 16, 2014, 03:08 PM
Take a good defensive shotgun class with it, at least a day long.

That'll answer a lot of questions...

Midwest
January 16, 2014, 03:26 PM
I guess in a long-winded way I am trying to question why anyone would want a shotgun with 10-15 do-dads hanging off their life or death weapon.

This one has a 12 shot cylinder, no need to hang things off the gun.


http://blog.joehuffman.org/content/binary/StrikerFull.jpg

powder
January 16, 2014, 03:43 PM
Not really sure where your question is there, but I'm just finishing doing a semi-conversion on one of my old 1100 Magnums: couple years ago I snagged an ATI +4 used tube extension, a used oversized bolt handle, and most recently a 26" VR target barrel off GunBroker. It's for 3-Gun matches and for FUN.

Looked at the FNs and Benellis, etc., but could not overlook the fact that most would do almost the same work on their new $650-1200 tacti-cool shotguns. Just direct them to YouTube and search their shotgun build-it's probably on there with a decent overview. Have fun.

jrdolall
January 16, 2014, 04:27 PM
I have a similar question. What exactly is a "tactical shotgun"? I see them everywhere advertised as "tactical". Some have virtually nothing that makes them look tactical other than maybe an extended mag tube.

Midwest
January 16, 2014, 04:50 PM
I have a similar question. What exactly is a "tactical shotgun"? I see them everywhere advertised as "tactical". Some have virtually nothing that makes them look tactical other than maybe an extended mag tube.
Looks like there accessories to throw on it to make it look tactical.


http://www.popguns.com/images/shotgun/tacstar45.jpg

berettashotgun
January 16, 2014, 05:39 PM
"I guess in a long-winded way I am trying to question why anyone would want a shotgun with 10-15 do-dads hanging off their life or death weapon."
K.I.S.S. motto applies to me. Feel the same about my trusty A2 w/20" barrel. Spent plenty of time acclimating myself to that weapon.....with a ton of instruction being barked loudly.. Maybe I do need to re-evaluate my thinking about these things, never had to actually apply a hammer to that bent nail. Hence the question.
But I do have a mag ext on an 1187 used extensively for the no holds barred snow geese season here in OK.
I kinda do get it about the need for some things, but holding a defensive position in your "castle" in Oklahoma is legal with the police and D/A; chasing intruders is really a shade of gray around here - flavor of the month thing.

A point - My homeowners insurance cost a lot more with a Rottweiler than a dozen shotguns. ugh...out in the country, 7 houses on 8 square miles -really?!
Fred Fuller- done that; in spades.

AI&P Tactical
January 16, 2014, 05:56 PM
The Tacti-fool crowd does not represent the majority of shotgun owners. It is much like what Nixon coined " The Silent Majority". We don't post pictures of or shotguns as they are basic fighting shotguns and not something the Tacti-fool crowd wants to see, understands nor can appriciate. As for you understanding why the people hand all that mess on the weapons, there are several possible reasons.

1. They did not have bicycles as a kid to put bells, penants and flags on.

2. They have no confidence in their ability to use the weapon and are hoping all that fool mess scares the person away.

3. The feel inferior and are try to compensate for those feelings.

4. The don't have an AR to Junk up.

5. They thought they were susposed to.

rbernie
January 16, 2014, 06:20 PM
As for you understanding why the people hand all that mess on the weapons, there are several possible reasons.

Because now it has the shoulder thing that goes up! ;)

Stevel
January 16, 2014, 11:08 PM
This is what my tac-i-cool shotgun looks like.
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/01/23/905481_01_remington_870_magnum_12g_pump_640.jpg

(870 Police Mag)

PabloJ
January 17, 2014, 02:43 AM
The best HD would be Winchester Model 25 riot gun. The only thing it needs is quality light mounted to it which is easy to do on Winchester 5-shot magazine tube.
The only thing my ATP8S has besides SureFire X300 Ultra is sling and electro-optical dot sight because I like to shoot light recoil (lower velocity) slugs out of mine.

Hacker15E
January 17, 2014, 09:48 AM
"Assault" is the new "tactical".

Destructo6
January 17, 2014, 10:42 AM
I have no problem with people tarting up their rifles or shotguns.

That is, so long as they can hike a bit with them and have trained enough to be very familiar, under duress, with those accessories.

What I've experienced is that many of the tacticool parts start to disappear with extensive field use (both due to weight and actual utility). What remains is what works for the user.

jehu
January 17, 2014, 12:46 PM
IMO you need a light on any HD weapon because you need to be able to identify your target before you shoot. Sights are good as well and:rolleyes: enough rds avalible to stop the threat. My HD shotgun is a Keltech KSG with a Surefire light and sights. It is short and easy to manuver with 15rds, enough for most senerios. Some say 15rds is way too much but these same people are the same ones that shove a 30rd mag in their AR in the same situation.

W.E.G.
January 17, 2014, 02:28 PM
I've played around with the "defensive shotgun."

I've had this old Smith and Wesson for years.

It's third-string for home-defense behind my Glock and my AR15.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/shotguns/DSCN3238.jpg

I think the AR-15 has surpassed the 12 gauge shotgun as the superior "long gun" for home defense.

If you still want a shotgun, the Mossberg 590A1 is very hard to beat.

I prefer the 6-shot model, with the 18.5" barrel.
The 9-shot model with the longer barrel is too bulky for confined spaces, and is clumsy to handle with a full magazine. (Frankly, I think the long-barrel 9-shot is clumsy even with an EMPTY magazine, but that's my opinion.)

A harder decision to make is whether to get the quite-large iron sights, or just a plain bead.
The argument for the big sights can surely be made if there is any reasonable prospect of using the gun for slugs. But ONLY if slugs are part of the plan. At any distance beyond 25 yards, buckshot goes into complete spew-mode, and sights become pointless.

If I have to handle a shotgun in confined spaces, I want the shorter barrel, and I have no use for aperture sights in that setting.

For non-military applications, I don't go for lights mounted on guns. The temptation to point the gun at things for no better reason than to use the flashlight is TOO TEMPTING. Do you really want to be seen pointing a shotgun at the neighbor's dog or your teenage neighbor in the back yard? Skip the flashlight handguard.

If I had to give up my handguns and AR15's for a shotgun, and I had to go out and buy a new shotgun today, this is the one I would want:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/shotguns/590A1_zpsed3f4ce6.jpg

Another benefit of avoiding the very-clunky receiver-mounted aperture sight, is that you can swap barrels on this gun, and use it for hunting too.

Some folks are still going to insist on having the clunky sights, and the uber-long magazine tube - mostly because they just want whatever delivers the most "tactical."

Whatever THAT is.

As noted in a previous post, if you need that much shotgun capacity in the magazine, I'm not sure that 3 more shots in the magazine is going to be the difference in the outcome. Moreover, even a 10-shot magazine in an AR15 offers as much as the "tactical" shotgun.

JAshley73
January 17, 2014, 10:32 PM
I like the way this ^^^ guy thinks...

jehu
January 18, 2014, 09:26 AM
"Capacity in the magazine" = Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!;)

Mike1234567
January 18, 2014, 12:58 PM
I bought a TriStar Raptor A-Tac. The only things I added are a mag extension (now holds 7+1) and light/laser combo. So far it's been 100 percent with any buckshot and slugs (approximately 600-800 rds) but won't "quite" cycle light target loads... I've read that can be remedied though. Other than the fluff-n-buff to improve light load cycling the only other thing I'll probably do is change the mag extension for one at least 1/8" longer... just that little bit extra length will allow 8+1 with most 2-3/4" shells.

Girodin
January 18, 2014, 04:05 PM
There are two groups in the defensive shotgunning world that are equally ridiculous to me. The first is the group that has already been addressed here. These are the folks who have a gun that looks like they walked down the 870 accessory isle with giant crap magnet.
The second group are those that seem to think anything more than a bone stock gun is superfluous. This groups seems to think that everyone else falls into the first group. This group can’t see the sense in a light, a magazine extension, a side saddle or anything else. They very often think a semi auto shotgun is a bad idea because a pump is so much more reliable.

Both groups are silly. The one thing they share is that they both tend to be made up of people with basically no training or experience in the defensive use of a shotgun. They never have and likely never will go take a reputable class. They may shoot their guns, but they sure as heck don’t train with them. Typically members of each group don’t really understand the hows and whys of a lot of equipment and don’t have the training or experience to actually know what is useful and what isn’t.

Luckily there is a third way. Some folks take classes, train, learn the ins and outs of equipment and how to use it. These folks add and remove items from a gun based on intended use and whether a particular item in reality helps or hinders. They get to figure that out, because they actually get out and train with their gun. A few quality classes will really help one shake out their setup.

There are a number of items that can really enhance a shotgun for defensive use IMHO. Some of them, such as a well thought out light set up, are essential for me. If one actually puts in the time developing one’s skill set (which is infinitely more important) one will get a good sense of what is useful, what is dead weight, and what actually is an impediment.

If you run into members of either group you can talk until you are blue in the face and do little good. The best cure seems to be to get them out on range where you can set up various courses of fire, shoot and move, shoot from various positions, and do it all on a shot timer. That cuts through a whole lot of BS and theoretical arguments.

PabloJ
January 18, 2014, 04:31 PM
Here is what is needed on HD shotgun: old fashioned sling, light with means of attachment to the gun. I have dot sight on mine because I like to shoot slugs.

plumberroy
January 18, 2014, 06:24 PM
I just a hair above your group number 2 I use strategically placed night lights for light and don't put a light on the gun (Remember this is home defense ) for the simple reason I know how I will react to a weapons light coming on inside my house!! buckshot off switch!!!! I am not military or police I don't have to clear an unknow building I would be shooting from behind a block wall into backlighted areas from dark areas I am going to know where you came in from the outside dog and where you are from the inside dog . Outside defending garden or chickens from preditors I have killed hundreds of fur bearers shooting a shotgun resting on my weak arm with a flash light.
Have I ever had a class no but I have several friends and family that are with the sheriffs department and I have been through there practice course a few times
The two things that will not on my H.D. shotgun pistol grip weather it is only a pistol grip or combined with a shoulder stock just does not work with the way I shoot a shotgun and rifle sights or optics especially anything that takes batteries. Shotgun is a short range weapon anything far enough away to need these is outside the effective range of a shotgun
I however do not think just because I don't like them means they are wrong I do think that if you can not take your H.D. gun out and bust a few birds on the trap range you might ought to rethink your setup.
Roy

splithoof
January 19, 2014, 02:34 AM
Girodin is on track 100%.
Schooling is one step on the way to finding out what works best for each individual. Everyone's needs are different. Equipment selection, tactics, and necessary risk/reward will drive those decisions. I use an 870 Marine, ghost ring sights, dedicated SureFire light, Choate stock w/grip, Side saddle, Wilson safety, and Wilderness sling. Some may call all this "crap", so be it. But it suits my purposes: large property with numerous buildings, no help for two to three hours (if at all), many doors, hallways, corners, open fields, and an occasional predator out to kill the livestock. In the distant foothills are numerous drug labs, paroled felons, and a few folks who have numerous warrants. I choose a 12 gauge 870 because I like it, schooled with it, shoot in events using it, and have it whenever up at the ranch. I do what works for me, you do what works for you.

PabloJ
January 19, 2014, 04:06 AM
Here are features that do NOT work: 'commando style' multiple attachment slings, any type of pistol grip, any type of complex adjustable length and or folding stock, long barrels, any type of shell carrier attached to the shotgun.

Mike1234567
January 19, 2014, 10:53 AM
^^^ You mean those things don't work for "you".:) I like pistol grips. If pistols grips on long-arms are bad in combat situations then why are our soldiers' ARs equipped with them? RE the other items you mentioned: I have none of them except you might consider my 20" barrel too long. I don't because it works for "me" on my 12ga... and I can extend the magazine to hold up to 8 rds. The other items you mentioned I don't feel comfortable with either but this is just my preference.

EDIT: Had I lots of money I'd buy a Saiga-12 with spare extended magazines. Heck, I'd have a S-12 in every room of the house. Hah!!:D

Flintknapper
January 19, 2014, 11:18 AM
Splithoof wrote:

Girodin is on track 100%.
Schooling is one step on the way to finding out what works best for each individual. Everyone's needs are different. Equipment selection, tactics, and necessary risk/reward will drive those decisions. I use an 870 Marine, ghost ring sights, dedicated SureFire light, Choate stock w/grip, Side saddle, Wilson safety, and Wilderness sling. Some may call all this "crap", so be it. But it suits my purposes: large property with numerous buildings, no help for two to three hours (if at all), many doors, hallways, corners, open fields, and an occasional predator out to kill the livestock.

^^^^^^^^ Agree!

My situation/setting is very similar (I live full time on a Ranch), hence my NEEDS (not do-dads) are different from that of others who might consider my shotgun choice 'Tacti-fool'.

I imagine some would find criticism for the ammo I use as well.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n92/flintknapper/12GA_Ammo_zps7a4b6189.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n92/flintknapper/MossyFlex3_zpsc0f2d7f6.jpg

plumberroy
January 19, 2014, 11:59 AM
Splithoof wrote:



^^^^^^^^ Agree!

My situation/setting is very similar (I live full time on a Ranch), hence my NEEDS (not do-dads) are different from that of others who might consider my shotgun choice 'Tacti-fool'.

I imagine some would find criticism for the ammo I use as well.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n92/flintknapper/12GA_Ammo_zps7a4b6189.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n92/flintknapper/MossyFlex3_zpsc0f2d7f6.jpg
For ranch work (which I have done) My ammo selection would be a little different but that is just me. Only thing I don't get is the breecher I can see no application for it for non military or non L.E. use.
I would swap out the short #00 for 2 3/4" #4 buck for yotes and bobcats, and the 3" buck for 1 1/4 oz of #4 or 5 shot for smaller nisance animals
roaming around a ranch is one aplication tha I would mount a light on a gun
Roy

Girodin
January 19, 2014, 01:42 PM
any type of pistol grip, any type of complex adjustable length and or folding stock, long barrels, any type of shell carrier attached to the shotgun.

This is an interesting assertion. I think it would make for more valuable discussion if you fleshed out your argument a little and explained why you believe that. It is interesting that the Benelli M4 carries a number of those features you mention. Although I guess one would say its adjustable stock is not particularly complex.

http://www.tigalaras.com/files/1339037985.jpg

In terms of attaching ammo to the shotgun. Side saddles are nearly ubiquitous. Some work better than others. On a weapon that is generally a limited capacity weapon, as well as a grab and go type of weapon, having more ammunition on the weapon makes sense. Although perhaps not as much of a consideration for a HD gun versus a broader use fighting shotgun, if one wants to maximize the versatility of the shotgun one also needs to have slugs on board. Sidesaddles are like anything else and some work better than others. I don't know that I would categorically say they "don't work" though. Just the opposite, I have them on my defensive shotguns. I don't know that one will need more than 5-8 rounds but personally I'd rather not learn that I did at a moment when I have no more ammo. I like the velcro style side saddles for my uses.

splithoof
January 19, 2014, 05:45 PM
Pablo, say what you will. The pistol grips on all my 870 shotguns suit me very well. The grip allows me to hold the weapon much better for opening doors, reloading, and one-handed operation, all of which I spend considerable time practicing. The external ammunition carrier allows me to recharge the weapon as I go, and select different types (slug vs buck) if the need arises. The sling on this particular example lets me make an easy transition to my sidearm.

Mike1234567
January 19, 2014, 06:18 PM
pablo, say what you will. The pistol grips on all my 870 shotguns suit me very well. The grip allows me to hold the weapon much better for opening doors, reloading, and one-handed operation, all of which i spend considerable time practicing. The external ammunition carrier allows me to recharge the weapon as i go, and select different types (slug vs buck) if the need arises. The sling on this particular example lets me make an easy transition to my sidearm.
bingo!!

bannockburn
January 19, 2014, 06:58 PM
The only thing added on to my Mossberg Model 500 is a buttstock shell holder. A nice clean simple set-up for over 25 years now and that's the way I like it.

Flintknapper
January 19, 2014, 10:04 PM
For ranch work (which I have done) My ammo selection would be a little different but that is just me. Only thing I don't get is the breecher I can see no application for it for non military or non L.E. use.

And I can see no downside to it. It doesn't add significant weight or length to the barrel (only 18.5" to begin with), the breaching feature gets you a barrel about 5/32" thick which is a good thing, when a shotgun will ride on a tractor and in a farm truck.

Will I ever use the breaching feature on a door? Not likely, but that doesn't mean it is a bad thing to have (for everyone). In the environment this shotgun will live in (when outside the house) it is less likely to get the muzzle plugged and I pretty much don't have to worry about denting the barrel either.

If you require that I have a specific use for it (for it to be justified) then I will use it this weekend for a cattle prod. ;)

Seriously, if someone can point out a legitimate downside to it, I will cut off as much of it as is legal. :D

plumberroy
January 20, 2014, 09:12 PM
And I can see no downside to it. It doesn't add significant weight or length to the barrel (only 18.5" to begin with), the breaching feature gets you a barrel about 5/32" thick which is a good thing, when a shotgun will ride on a tractor and in a farm truck.

Will I ever use the breaching feature on a door? Not likely, but that doesn't mean it is a bad thing to have (for everyone). In the environment this shotgun will live in (when outside the house) it is less likely to get the muzzle plugged and I pretty much don't have to worry about denting the barrel either.

If you require that I have a specific use for it (for it to be justified) then I will use it this weekend for a cattle prod. ;)

Seriously, if someone can point out a legitimate downside to it, I will cut off as much of it as is legal. :D
It is your gun I just wondered why? Only downside i could see for ranch work I would want some choke and most of those I have seen are cylinder bore. If it is part of the barrel I wouldn't cut it I like the cattle prod idea I have had cattle take great offence to me giving the a sulfa tablet and a shot of tylan 200:what: The gun I carried the most was a ruger #1 in 25-06 so I could smoke coyotes:evil: that was 30+ years ago
Roy
P.S. there are times I wish I was back working on a ranch times were simpler then

romulus
January 20, 2014, 09:43 PM
Those 2 and a quarter inch shell are schweett...made in Italy it seems, in Savoy blue...how do they perform? What are they tailored for? Does it increase mag capacity?

Flintknapper
January 20, 2014, 10:39 PM
Those 2 and a quarter inch shell are schweett...made in Italy it seems, in Savoy blue..
Yes

.how do they perform?
They pattern well enough (cylinder bore) out to 20 yds. I do not (yet) have any real world experience (with this round) on pests/varmints.

What are they tailored for?
Short range Home Defense and Police Work where low recoil and slightly reduced velocity might be wanted.

Does it increase mag capacity?
Not unless you have a fairly long extended magazine and currently use 3" shotshells. In my case...I gain only one (two if I want to really cram them together) over the 2-3/4" shotshells I normally keep in it.

But someone using a long extended magazine could conceivably gain 3 (or more).

Flintknapper
January 20, 2014, 10:42 PM
Plumberroy wrote:

Only downside i could see for ranch work I would want some choke and most of those I have seen are cylinder bore.

Good point.

romulus
January 20, 2014, 10:50 PM
Thanks, Flintknapper...I found an online supplier, might give them a shot

BSA1
January 20, 2014, 10:56 PM
I'm struggling with the fact a shotgun doesn't need sights.

romulus
January 21, 2014, 02:35 AM
really? Never heard that

blarby
January 21, 2014, 02:53 AM
"Capacity in the magazine" = Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it

While true in some sense, if you cant get it done in an HD situation with 5+1, is 8+1 really gonna make up for it ?

Mighty long and heavy, that tube.

I think if you really need more than 6, then you need more practice, or to go the AR route.

But thats just me.

romulus
January 21, 2014, 04:05 AM
You definitely need the practice. But additional rounds at the ready can't hurt, and just might help.

Mike1234567
January 21, 2014, 01:40 PM
Flintknapper... I wonder if those 2.25" shells will cycle through my TriStar Raptor A-Tac. Hmm...

Flintknapper
January 21, 2014, 09:01 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't know Mike, they cycle great through the Mossy. They are just long enough to work reliably in MY shotgun.

I tried Aguila...1-3/4" mini's and they would hang up sometimes, but these work fine.

My Mossy has a sort of skeletonized shell elevator...so really short shells can "partially" fall through, causing a jam. Also, some mini shells (in some shotguns) do not eject reliably, but I've had no such problem with these.

They are inexpensive, so it wouldn't cost you much to find out.

They produce less recoil than 2-3/4" pr 3" buckshot loads, but I think they will still cycle in your semi-auto.

Mike1234567
January 21, 2014, 09:05 PM
^^^ Inexpensive to try... good point. :)

jojo200517
January 21, 2014, 11:26 PM
To address the original post, i'm not too knowledgeable about some of these newer imported "HD" shotguns the big box stores are carrying. Some of them are more or less a clone of common domestic designs, some not so much. I stick with what has worked for me if asked for a recomendation. If they are on a real tight budget the maverick gets the nod, if they can spare a little more coin I say move up to the 500 or 590. If they are set on the Remingtons I don't have an issue with the 870's either. I don't have an issues with beretta, benelli or any of the other major manufactues either so if thats what they can afford and are willing to put it thru the paces I'd say go for it I figure something I may have to trust my life to it won't hurt to spend a few more bucks to not get a chineese knock off tho.

No matter what I recommend they shoot the hell out of it before they even consider loading it for defensive use.

I do suspect that some of these people are maybe aiming for more of a "fighting shotgun" than just "HD" but it's easier to sell the idea of the spending the money to the significant other if they call it a "home defense shotgun"

As far as me at a bare minimum my "HD" shotgun has to have a light on it and a stock of some type that give a good shoulder position and cheek weld. Positive target identification is imporant, as is a shotgun that fits the shooter. Past that to me it starts to venture into the realm of fighting shotgun.

However I like spare ammo on the weapon, shell holder on stock receiver or both. Is it necessary for most situations, probably not. If I ever have to face down a mob and live to tell the tell i'll make sure to not complain about having too much ammo. I'm ok with plain jane stock but I prefer my recoil reducing blackhawk knox stock because I prefer full power loads. It adds a full adjustable stock with a pistol grip which seems to give more control. As far as sights, the rifle sights came on my 590a1spx so it's what I'm kinda stuck with. The center of the light seems to be about center of aim on the weapon so at closer ranges where the light is still fairly focused in a center of mass hit shouldn't be much issue.

Maybe I fall into the tacti-fool crowd but I have never put anything on my weapon that I didn't try and practice with, realize I disliked and not immedately remove.

Pics from when I first got it and no I don't leave the bayonet on it for HD.
http://imageshack.com/a/img248/7924/20130513233908.jpg

BigBL87
January 21, 2014, 11:43 PM
I'm pretty new to the idea of a shotgun for home defense (waiting for my FOID to get one but have shot trap) and while I understand the appeal of the tacticool look, personally its not my thing. About as far as I plan on going is adding a picatinny rail to the receiver to mount a red dot for slugs and maybe a flashlight for HD situations. To be fair though, mine is also going to double as an informal clay shooter so it'd be hard to use for that if it was tacticooled out.

Girodin
January 22, 2014, 01:54 AM
I figure something I may have to trust my life to it won't hurt to spend a few more bucks to not get a chineese (sic) knock off tho.

Some of the Chinese knock offs are actually arguable better guns than some of the domestic models they are patterned after. I think it is a pretty dubious argument that a new model 870 express is in any way better than a Hawk or pardner pump. I actually think is is easier to argue it the other way. I have also long wondered why folks buy new expresses rather than shopping a used wing master though.

If one is on a limited budget one can get a hawk/Pardner pump/Maverick and set it up with everything one needs (including things that some will argue aren't needed) for the price of an entry level 870/500. I have a couple norcs, a couple 870s and an old 500. I'd feel OK with any of them. None however are my primary shotgun. (I really prefer semis to pumps and carbines to shotguns for social purposes).

If one isn't on a budget then why buy a cheap pump gun (870/500/590) over a Benelli (or an AR for that matter)?

Sheepdog1968
January 22, 2014, 01:57 AM
This is what my tac-i-cool shotgun looks like.
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/01/23/905481_01_remington_870_magnum_12g_pump_640.jpg

(870 Police Mag)
Like this with maybe a light attached and you are good. I don't care which brand pump from the major manufacturers.

Fred Fuller
January 22, 2014, 12:19 PM
It's Joe Biden's fault ... :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIdKIM2btoA

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