Handbook of Modern Percussion Revolvers.


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mec
January 16, 2014, 12:35 PM
I saw this posted on the FiringLine and it quickly disappeared. It is published by GunDigest and seems to have good production values.
Not sure why it, along with replies went away unless somebody decided to violate it as advertisement
http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Modern-Percussion-Revolvers-Michael/dp/1440238987

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CraigC
January 16, 2014, 02:32 PM
I just got this book and while I have yet to read it thoroughly, it looks to be very well put together and a good reference.

Old Fuff
January 16, 2014, 03:02 PM
The publisher (Gun Digest Books) is selling them over the Internet for a discounted price. In my view the book is worth it without the lower price. The title says it all.

Pancho
January 16, 2014, 10:08 PM
Mec, it's good to hear from you. Your book still resides next to the "best seat in the house" and I consult it regularly.

mec
January 17, 2014, 03:53 AM
Skyhorse Publications has picked up on the second book,-the one that is more involved with revolvers. We modifiied it with a bit more information on the single shots and contemporary pistols, did a cursory update- just to reflect some changes in the state of things and eliminated some of the glaring edit failures. The pictures will be in color. They have targeted March to send it to print.

CraigC
January 17, 2014, 10:28 AM
Cool, I'll be picking up that one too! :)

kBob
January 18, 2014, 04:28 PM
Amazon says I should know Wednesday if it was a good buy. ;-)

-kBob

Modernhoglegs
January 27, 2014, 07:15 PM
Hi MEC,

Thanks for the kind words on my Handbook.

I have received a lot of support and kind words from folks.
It really means a lot to someone just starting out as a writer.

TheFiringLine did kill mymy inital post as spam even after I explained to the admin that I was joining to contribute and the book reference was my bona fides. His board, his rules. I'll still post over there.

mec
January 27, 2014, 07:22 PM
Since killing a post about something that would be of great interest to participants makes absolutely no sense at all, I figured that was what had happened. I'll be sure not to mention my upcoming re-issue over there. I'm glad THR is more receptive. If you are just getting started writing you sure did it the right way. Gun Digest is quite a venue.

Modernhoglegs
January 27, 2014, 07:30 PM
All I can say is I was blessed to run into the right folks who saw the value in my work. When I saw the color pictures and layout in the editorial copy I was completely floored. They definitely did things up right.

Joe Mamma
January 27, 2014, 08:17 PM
Originally Posted By mec:
Skyhorse Publications has picked up on the second book,-the one that is more involved with revolvers. We modifiied it with a bit more information on the single shots and contemporary pistols, did a cursory update- just to reflect some changes in the state of things and eliminated some of the glaring edit failures. The pictures will be in color. They have targeted March to send it to print.

I'm confused about how many books (2 or 3?) we are talking about in this thread.

mec, if they picked up on "the second book" (as you put it), what is the first book (with the "glaring edit failures")? Is that the one you linked to in the first post or is it a different one?

The book linked in the first post looks like it would be good. But I don't know how it is better or worse than any other books (or future books) on the same subject.

I'm just looking for a good book on this subject. But, I don't want it to be inaccurate, and I am happy to wait for a better one if it is going to be published.

If someone could offer some clarity or guidance, I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

Joe Mamma

mec
January 27, 2014, 08:49 PM
OK. The primary thrust of this post is the book brought out this month by member, Modernhoglegs. The promotiona material makes it look like an interesting reference for fans of the early revolvers and copies. The publishers of Gun Digest see merit in it and this is a sound recommendation.
It is interesting to me because, in 2005 we self-published a book on percussion pistols and revolvers. -Actually through a firm that does that sort of thing. It developed a following and it became apparent that the readers were more interested in revolvers than the full array of percussion handguns. There were also glaring editing errors and the pictures were small. So, in 2007 we put out a sequel that was much more into revolvers and we hoped for better production values as the pictures were bigger and we paid for a number of editorial services to correct such things as spelling, punctuation etc. The company was simply not up to the task so we did not promote the second book though the publisher ignored our order to cancel and has been selling it in small numbers ever since. Both of these books contain information not found elsewhere -or at least, not in the same place. and quite a few people like them BUT I strongly discourage anybody who considers himself a gramarian or who is psychically wounded by less than perfect production values from even picking them up.
Skyhorse Publications saw the second-unpromoted book and purchased the rights to it. It is due out to go to print in March 2015 with color pictures, hopefully, professional editiing. If it lives up to other books I have seen from Skyhorse, I will be happy to promote it. The state of the industry/marketplace is such that the book is still relevent even though the economic downturn has made some items less obtainable than they were a decade ago.

kBob
January 28, 2014, 10:07 AM
I thought the book that started this was a good book to give to someone just starting out in BP revolvers who has no knowledge to speak of on the subject to speak of.

It looked nice and was well put together and the only thing that really gnawed at me where the pictures of a left handed shooter demonstrating drawing and presenting the guns. 80 percent plus of the population is not left handed. I was how ever reminded of my service days when Physical Training instructors did mirror image presentations of the daily dozens....."I will go to my left and you will go to your right, THUS CREATING THE MIRROR EFFECT!"

Again it was a great beginners book, but for myself and my money I would have more enjoyed a few cans of caps far more.

I have set it with my NRA basic safety course for BP handguns stuff for the next time someone wants to get started. I intend to encourage my kids (tween and early teen both of whom have shot a few rounds from BP revolvers) to read and study the book.

Would have been nice to see something besides the basic Colt, Remington, and Ruger guns and learned something of the other guns workings.

-kBob

Mictlanero
January 28, 2014, 02:39 PM
I ordered my copy. I am a beginner in BP and excited to check it out!

Modernhoglegs
January 28, 2014, 11:50 PM
Kbob,

My book was specifically written for the beginner.
When I go shooting I almost always meet at least one person who stops to watch and says something about always wanting to try percussion revolvers, but he didn't know where to start.

One day I decided it was time to write a book for those folks.

Sorry for the shooter pics. I am a Southpaw (I dislike the terms "lefty" and left-handed for obvious reasons), and as the manipulations I showed were the very basics, I did't think it mattered.
Since my sister made the same comment, I'll admit it might have been important.

I really wanted to include a Starr revolver, but my buddy who owns one was unavailable when the photography was done, so I could not get access to the gun.

Mahbe Gun Digest will show some interest in a second volume, and I czn offer a more generous survey.

Thanks fof the input.

kBob
January 29, 2014, 10:13 AM
Modernhogleg,

Hope I did not sound (read) nasty. My inner editor just bursts forth on occasion as I was briefly the editor of "The Worst Gun Rags" on the Market. I got the job by walking into the publishers office and marking up one of his magazines on his desk.....went to work right then as one was about to go to the printers.

Enjoyed the job, but the Publisher got into so much debt with the distributor (who gave advances and was not getting their money back thanks to some other magazines he was doing) and the Distributor decided to tell him to loose several titles, his choice. As my publisher liked having bathing suit and body paint models around better than guns he kept those magazines (even though I had fewer returns) and I was on the street.

I actually do spell check and grammar check when I am getting paid, but that is too much like ....work.

I really do think it is great for a BP beginners book, I just expected something more advanced from the earlier posts....

-kBob

mec
January 29, 2014, 10:43 AM
This sounds very familiar. You may have been my editor for a while as various creditors chased the publisher around the globe trying to get their money. From what I could tell at the time MRF wound up owing the writers an average of $900 and some of them were quite miffed. I recall one or two highly motivated editors who were intelligent but not able to overcome the psychotic atmosphere.

Modernhoglegs
January 29, 2014, 08:52 PM
kBob,

No offense taken.
I'm genuinely open to critique because that is how I improve at my craft.
My plan is to wait until I've sold over a million copies of something before I stop listenting to people. :-)

kBob
January 29, 2014, 09:12 PM
mec,

Correct initials and yeah I never got paid for articles I wrote as "staff" or under pin names which I was supposed to be paid for in addition to my editing job. I worked for him in Ocala FL.

I suspect he was rather hard to track and pin down as he recommended once that I put metal in off shore banks. Given what he was paying me I have no idea where and how he thought I was going to buy gold and silver or how I would afford a hop out to "the Islands" The younger of his two sons I worked with had potential to be a decent kid, I hope he turned out alright.

-kBob

mec
January 29, 2014, 09:26 PM
one editor told me that son david injured a woman (who did a good job actually paid some of the writers) by chasing he around a desk like groucho marx. and grabbing her headlights. She naturally quit as did the woman who edited Gadget World. Myron ran her off saying, the magazine sucked then found out that it had sold out and the distributor wanted more. too bad. MRF is actully kind of a cult hero in some circles- Eerie magazine and a bunch of UfO enemies rags.
Here he is in wikipedia. (didtn' realize he had croaked)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Fass

One of his nicknames was " The Demon God of Pulp.'

kBob
January 29, 2014, 09:30 PM
Micheal,

Funny you should mention a million. Once on a trip to DC with someone working of a project with Jerry Pournelle and Speaker (then Minority Whip) Gingrich (during those heady Contract with America days, actually the day Bill Clinton signed the assault weapons ban in the rose garden) I got some writing advice. After visiting Dr. Pournelle's computer in the National Museum of Science and Tech ( this was the computer that was used to write the first novel on such a machine) Dr. P told me not be discouraged in my writing but to be aware one needed to write at least a million words before developing the craft to write and sell a novel. He also advised me to continue writing generic scenes and save them in some manner that would allow me to change the characters around and use them in some future project.

While it was nice that the Republicans did so well in that election, sadly one third of the writing team was suddenly a lot more busy and concerned about the stigma of writing Science Fiction rather than alternative history and the project fell through. Still I got a nice stay at the DC Marriott and trip expenses and met some interesting folks.

-kBob

mec
January 29, 2014, 09:51 PM
Pournelle and Niven were a happy bit of synchronicity.

Quentin
February 1, 2014, 02:12 AM
Mec, thanks for starting this thread, I ordered two interesting books from Amazon because of it!

"Percussion Revolvers: A Guide to Their History, Performance, and Use" arrived today and I'm quite pleased with it. With all the warnings about grammar, spelling, etc. I halfway expected something shabby like Patrick Sweeney's first two AR-15 books (which really are a mess) but nothing of the kind - it's well written and informative. I hope the updated book is even better.

Now looking forward to receiving soon the book you linked in the first post.

mec
February 1, 2014, 05:33 AM
Thanks for the heads up I certainly hope the project one is better too. Should have more pictures and a few updates.

kBob
February 1, 2014, 07:44 AM
mec,

Thanks for the wiki link. He actually had three gun mags in 85-ish two were bimonthly (the distributor would leave them both up 60 days and as a new title came out every 30 days he got double shelf coverage)and the third was a quarterly so he could have three titles in the gun section at all times. He claimed we were the best selling English language gunzines in Brazil. Our printer had some sort of deal there for returns and overages.

He did two Black Hair care titles at the time with the idea of both direct sales (at the time his only subscription based titles) and normal distribution. They were almost entirely ad copy.

Sunshine Girls was his then current girly mag. I was unaware he was doing such when I hired on and learned of it my second day of work. After finding a naked 19 year old of interesting build changing into a string type bathing suit in my supposedly private bathroom, I had to ask....... My secretary had been one of his models and she dated a Chippendale type dancer and they were an interesting couple to look at least.

Myron carried a Sig single stack 9x19mm at the time and would occasionally draw and shoot down the hall behind the gun showroom into a steel backstop. My office was directly opposite this over the alley way and when I went to work their were bullet holes in the back door of the shop, my front wall and over my desk. I explained this had to stop....or I would shoot back.

That was Myron....

-kBob

mec
February 1, 2014, 08:51 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=194339&stc=1&d=1391261779

Laurie actually managed to extract checks and send them out to the writers. There was one story about him having a fist fight with Stanley Harris back when they worked together. ( a movie with Stacey Keech playing Marlow or some such actually showed the door of Harris Publications in the old-style office building.) I remember the gun mags from the mid 80s. Myron was very proud of himself. Had a picture of his grinning face on top of his turkey neck next to a wild hog mount. Titled, "which one's toughest?" We made fun of those older mags and I once asked a gun industry type if Myron was doing self parody. " No. He is dead serious." He warned one editor (maybe you) not to mention his name abroad in the gun industry or he wouldn't get samples from them as he had a controversial history with them. Some of them thought he should have sent the t&e samples back. (over time, I learned that A Lot of the industry is not so far removed from Myron) Even though he liked to pose with NYPD guys like he was one of the gang, one editor told me that he didn't think Cops knew anything about guns and he had to disquise amaury Mergado as a non- policeman just to get him published.

Myron was good about swapping covers. He would print the same articles over and over again under different magazine titles. then do them again in specials he called "pick-ups."
When I started writing for more mainstream pubs, I kind of kept quiet about the old florida connection thinking it might be the kiss of death. Later found out that a lot of long-established writers had associated with myron too and were still mad about getting stiffed on fees.

Joe Mamma
February 1, 2014, 11:20 AM
Originally Posted By Modernhoglegs:
My book was specifically written for the beginner.
When I go shooting I almost always meet at least one person who stops to watch and says something about always wanting to try percussion revolvers, but he didn't know where to start.

One day I decided it was time to write a book for those folks.

That would be guys like me. On behalf of all of us, thank you for going through all the effort to write it.

Joe Mamma

Quentin
February 1, 2014, 02:04 PM
Thanks for the heads up I certainly hope the project one is better too. Should have more pictures and a few updates.

Well you and Mr. Bates did a fine job, I read it cover to cover in one day! :D Looking forward to the update, hopefully in a few months.

Modernhoglegs
February 2, 2014, 12:34 AM
Hi Joe,

I hope my book can open a few doors for you.
The old guns are a real kick.

The 19th Century is one of my favorite periods of history because people were really dropping a lot of the guild mentality that paralyzed technological development during the Renniassance, and the precision of the work these guy did with simple hand tools is really inspiring.

Please post any questions on THR, or drop me a private message.
I'm sure you will get good solid answers. The gent that goes by the handle of MEC has written some pretty fine books of his own.

Quentin
February 12, 2014, 02:01 AM
I received "Handbook of Modern Percussion Revolvers" today and am pleased with it. For someone new to cap&ball revolvers live myself, it is a perfect introduction. Highly recommended.

Also highly recommended is "Percussion Revolvers: A Guide to Their History, Performance, and Use". Both books are very helpful and informative. Kudos to authors Mec and Modernhoglegs for these two helpful books!

mec
February 12, 2014, 06:00 AM
we both appreciate the thought. My book has plenty of reviews but, if you are inclined , an amazon review of the modernhogl... book might be helpful.

Quentin
February 12, 2014, 09:01 PM
we both appreciate the thought. My book has plenty of reviews but, if you are inclined , an amazon review of the modernhogl... book might be helpful.

Will do, for both books!

Gun Master
February 12, 2014, 09:32 PM
I have considered BP shooting, but the ranges around here don't provide for it. I would be interested in shooting one of the older percussion model Colts or Remingtons, if it were a cartridge firing gun.

Could somebody furnish a reference or source of a manufacturer, supplier, etc. for an affordable and reliable gun of this type ? Thanks:)

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