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BigBL87
January 16, 2014, 11:19 PM
Hey all, I recently applied for my Illinois FOID card (my wife did as well to avoid the legal issues it could create if she uses in home defense) and will be buying my first firearm as soon as I get my FOID. I've decided I'm going to get a Mossberg 500 12g Field/Home combo so I have a shotgun usable for both home defense and casual clays with my in-laws who are long time gun owners.

Now, I'm already considering what my second purchase will be. I've considered a 9mm hand gun or rifle. I'm leaning towards the rifle since I'm already comfortable with a long gun and am mostly interested in plinking/informal target shooting, but I'm also considering the pistol because it would be more useful for home defense. I've seen a lot of literature favoring a .22lr. I know the ammo is incredibly affordable which would be great for plinking. However, I wouldn't mind having something more "potent" for SHTF scenarios and I probably won't get to go plinking incredibly often so having to pay a little more for ammo wouldn't be that bad.

Just wanted to get some input on what direction to go on my second purchase.

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Grassman
January 16, 2014, 11:27 PM
Shotgun is good for home defense, .22 ammo is hard to come by these days, that gun will sit dormant, I'd go with a handgun in 40 or 9mm or 45 take your pic. That's a tough one in that Illinois. Good luck!

vongh
January 16, 2014, 11:32 PM
On your second purchase take your wife along and make sure she can work the slide of any autoloader you may be interested in. Mine had problems with ruger lc9 but we ended up getting a used sig sauer p6

OldBrownDog
January 16, 2014, 11:37 PM
Do you know anyone who owns a few guns? Or have any ranges near you where you can rent a wide variety of guns? I think you should try/shoot as many different types, actions and calibers of guns as you can. Decide what you like best and go from there. I think a .22 rifle and a 20 or 12 gauge shotgun should be virtually mandatory for every red-blooded American, but that's just me. You might also want to consider buying a rifle (highly recommend starting with a .22LR - lots of fun for plinking, and cheap in normal times) first and a handgun next or vice versa. Sorry, but my answer to "which gun?" is inevitably "both".

My $0.02 (and it's worth what you paid for it).

cammogunner
January 16, 2014, 11:37 PM
I would say the 500 is a great hd gun as for a secondary gun if you want to plink a 22 in good but EXTREAMLY hard to come by so I being biased to long guns would say if I were you I would buy a 17 hmr it has the same power I think give or take though a bit more money than a 22 you could still plink and have a lot of fun with that rifle

BigBL87
January 16, 2014, 11:37 PM
Didn't realize that .22 LR was hard to come by right now, everywhere I've read has recommended it simply due to availability. One thing pushing me away from rifles is that should I get into hunting, IL is pretty much a shotgun only state so far as I know so a rifle would pretty much just be plinking and SHTF.

OldBrownDog
January 16, 2014, 11:43 PM
.22 is relatively hard to come by compared to the old days (like 2007), when you could buy it by the case for like $0.03 a round. The scarcity also seems to vary by region. I would check your local gun stores before ruling out .22 on availability alone. Also, .17 HMR or HMR 2 or Win. Super Mag is going to be much more expensive than .22LR

I bought 675 rounds of .22LR two days ago at just over $0.06 per round.
Gunbot.net is showing no .17 ammo under $0.26 per round. A quarter a shot adds up fast when you're plinking....

Grassman
January 16, 2014, 11:47 PM
.22 is relatively hard to come by compared to the old days (like 2007), when you could buy it by the case for like $0.03 a round. The scarcity also seems to vary by region. I would check your local gun stores before ruling out .22 on availability alone. Also, .17 HMR or HMR 2 or Win. Super Mag is going to be much more expensive than .22LR

I bought 675 rounds of .22LR two days ago at just over $0.06 per round.
Gunbot.net is showing no .17 ammo under $0.26 per round. A quarter a shot adds up fast when you're plinking....
Best I've come across is about .065 a round in .22, and I'm glad to get it. When I can....

BigBL87
January 17, 2014, 03:11 AM
Do you know anyone who owns a few guns? Or have any ranges near you where you can rent a wide variety of guns? I think you should try/shoot as many different types, actions and calibers of guns as you can. Decide what you like best and go from there. I think a .22 rifle and a 20 or 12 gauge shotgun should be virtually mandatory for every red-blooded American, but that's just me. You might also want to consider buying a rifle (highly recommend starting with a .22LR - lots of fun for plinking, and cheap in normal times) first and a handgun next or vice versa. Sorry, but my answer to "which gun?" is inevitably "both".

My $0.02 (and it's worth what you paid for it).

Didn't get a chance to respond to this til I got to work, but my father-in-law is a gun owner (pretty sure he has at least a shotgun, rifle, and handgun, don't know what they are though) as is my brother-in-law although I think he just has a .22lr rifle. Talking with him was one of the thing that led me to being interested in investing in a firearm.

I have shot a Mossberg 500 (pretty sure it was a Mossberg but it was about 10 years ago) before when shooting clays with some friends in high school so I've shot it before and know I can handle it as far as function, recoil, etc.. My wife has also shot a 12 gauge before with her father and while she's not as comfortable with it she could use a shotgun in a defensive situation if necessary. I figured it would be the best first investment since my main purpose is home defense and I've shot mostly shotguns in the past (I've shot a .22lr a couple times and a 30-06 once) so I'd be most comfortable with it. I also feel like living in town I'd have to worry a little less about over penetration with a shotgun.

I asked my wife if she'd prefer to have a handgun as a second gun potentially for her use in home defense and she was really indifferent to it. We do live in a rural community (population maybe 800) so break-ins aren't common but they are starting to happen more often. Living in town though, I can't plink on my own property so it really would limit the use of even a .22lr although I can go out to my in-laws property pretty much whenever I want. So, that's how I had narrowed down my options after a shotgun to:

1. .22lr rifle (or other rifle), which isn't very useful for home defense but would get used for plinking/working on marksmanship. As of now, Illinois doesn't allow rifles for hunting (only shotguns, muzzleloaders, and handguns) so it wouldn't be used much for that except maybe occasional "pest control" at the in-laws which is the same place I would be plinking.

2. 9mm handgun (for ammo availability/cost), which I honestly probably wouldn't plink with as much but would be more useful in home defense.

Figured that a longer explanation of what my potential uses were was worthwhile for informed opinions, sorry for the novel. I've found usually on forums it's better to provide too much information on what you're looking for than too little.

BigBL87
January 17, 2014, 03:46 AM
And actually, instead of starting another thread about it I figure I'll ask a second question here...

As far as storage of a long arm (shotgun in this case), what would you guys recommend when we don't have room for a gun safe in our bedroom? Living in a 80+year old Craftsman style house, room sizes aren't that big and we really don't have any room to add a gun safe. I was thinking about getting a two gun case (figuring on the second gun down the road) and putting a push button padlock on it for easier access in the dark, and keeping it under the bed. We don't have kids but probably will in the next year or two.

scythefwd
January 17, 2014, 09:40 AM
80 year old house.. so you're looking at slat and horsehair plaster vs. sheetrock right?

There ARE safes that fit between the joists in your wall, but it'd be a LOT harder to install in that old school construction (I grew up in a house made in the late 1800's).

BigBL87
January 17, 2014, 10:02 AM
Ya, ceiling and walls are lath/plaster construction. If they aren't original they're darn close. Would rather not open up walls as there's a good chance there's asbestos we might disturb given the age. In addition to the locked case idea, I have seen safes designed to fit under beds and extend a "drawer" when unlocked as well as "coffin" style top open safes. If the case w/ a padlock will be OK, it would be cheaper than the other options but I've seen posts about guns in cases being more prone to rust.

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