Whats the Skinny on Glock Gen4 Still Bad?


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Life During Wartime
January 18, 2014, 09:44 AM
Don't mean to reopen a can of worms here but can someone eplain to me why so many people dont like the Gen4
I don't get it. You hear on youtube people saying dont buy them they suck and then you see people buying them like hey heres a gen4
and with the new models Glock has not made them in gen3
So, has Glock worked out the problems I have heard
and what are these problems, I still dont get it? Triggers or reliablity?

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Vodoun da Vinci
January 18, 2014, 09:50 AM
I bought a Glock 26 Gen 4 this Summer. My first Glock ever having spent decades wondering who would buy a "plastic pistol" and what all the fuss was about. I have about 2000 rounds thru my G26 Gen 4 and it is utterly reliable, accurate to the highest degree, controllable in rapid fire, hides in my pants pocket, and is rust proof, stupid proof, and simple.

I have no idea why others would spread the hate but assume they have had experiences with theirs or have opinions contrary to my experience. Personally I use what works and leave hype and Internet Experts drivel on the driveway of life.

My Glock Gen 4 experience is flawless hence I use it, carry it, shoot it, and recommend it.

VooDoo

JTQ
January 18, 2014, 10:06 AM
I'm not a Glock guy, but my understanding is the problems were with the G17/G19 models.

The Gen 4 was created to fix function problems the G22/G23 models were having with mounted lights. The Gen 4 is all about the dual recoil spring, the adjustable back straps and mag release were just throw ins. Since Glock had to redo the frame to get the dual spring in there, they also threw in the bigger mag release and the adjustable backstraps. Those are nice things about the Gen 4's, and I'd probably pick one over the Gen 3 simply because the grip feels better. If the Gen 3 G17/G19 feels good in your hand, there probably is no reason to get the Gen 4. If you are looking for a G22/G23, the Gen 4 is the better mouse trap.

The initial problems with the G17/G19 was centered around the recoil spring rates in the Gen 4 models. Since the focus was on the G22/G23, they didn't calibrate them very well for the G17/G19's using light training ammo such as the big box store variety of 115gr ammo. Glock figured that out after a few try's. I think they are good to go now.

There are also some ejector complaints regarding brass to the face, though I think that is across the line-up and affects the Gen 3 as much as the Gen 4.

While I'm not a Glock fan, they are a very good company producing a quality product. If you happen to run into a gun with a problem, whatever generation it is, they'll get it fixed for you.

Coffee357
January 18, 2014, 10:08 AM
Purty much the reasons you've read of. I bought a gen 4 Glock 19 shortly after they came out and had major failure to feed and extract issues. I love Glocks and have carried predominantly Glocks for 20 some years - but I got rid of that pistol. It took a while for Glock to get the right combination of ejector, extractor, and spring rates - but they eventually did. The new Gen-4's are solid and the guns I choose to carry today are generation 4's. The new guns are solid -most of the folks talkin bad about em are remembering the initially released guns.

BYJO4
January 18, 2014, 05:23 PM
The current Gen 4 models run fine. I bought a 19 about 4 months ago and have had no issues.

9mmepiphany
January 18, 2014, 06:14 PM
It is easy to tell if the late-Gen3 & Gen4 G17/19...doesn't affect the G26, to the same degree...you have is prone to the problem.

1. Load a round into the chamber from a magazine
2. Remove the magazine
3. Fire the round

a) If the case ejects out the ejection port, you are GTG
b) If the case drops out the bottom of the frame, you have a potential problem.

The issue of BTF doesn't always occur immediately, I've known (not just heard) several which didn't start until they were over 1k rounds

red rick
January 18, 2014, 06:41 PM
BTF was a problem with gen3 & gen4 19/17 and like 9mmepiphany said sometimes it doesn't start until 1k rounds even in the repaired guns .

I don't know if they have got a handle on it yet .

jfrey
January 18, 2014, 07:05 PM
My Gen 4 G19 runs fine. Actually had more problems with my Gen 3. New ejector fixed that. Glock had some teething problems with the Gen 4 guns but seems to have gotten the problems ironed out by now.

HexHead
January 18, 2014, 07:07 PM
Why do you care, you're in CA and can't have one anyway.

9mmepiphany
January 18, 2014, 08:53 PM
Sure he can, there are a lot of Gen4 Glocks in use in CA, you just have to follow the correct procedures to obtain them

ForumSurfer
January 19, 2014, 04:33 AM
What? They were bad? I bought a gen4 19 as soon as it was released. I put several thousand rounds through it and even shot some IDPA with it. I didn't know it was "bad" until the Internet said so. My only problem...I replaced the extractor with a piece from lone wolf distributing. I was getting brass in my face. That isn't a gen4 problem per say, I had the same exact issue on a newer gen3 17. I disassembled each and noticed sloppy MIM quality. It was a minor problem and I was overall pleased with the gen4, and gen 3 for that matter.

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guyfromohio
January 19, 2014, 05:02 AM
I'm on my third Gen 4 Glock. My last was purchased last weekend brand new. In fact, all were LGS purchased new. The first two had thousands of rounds through each. Never a failure of any kind. They felt great in the hand and were incredibly accurate and had little muzzle flip. I sold them because Glocks are easy to sell and easy to buy a replacement when money is needed. However, from first run (pre-fix) to current manufacture, I just cannot get used to the brass hitting me in the forehead, lodging in my glasses, falling down my shirt...... I'm going to put this one in the market now too, after only 100 rounds. Time to check out the Gen 3s (I have too many holsters and mags to be without a 19).

mes228
January 19, 2014, 07:31 AM
I've had many Gen 3 Glocks (still do). But had avoided the Gen 4's because of the bad internet press I've read. Bad mistake! I just obtained a Gen 4 Model 21 .45 - and it's quite a surprise! A good one. After a flawless 100 rounds, new out of the box, I was surprised. This Model 21 is ACCURATE, and I mean Target Accurate ie one hole accurate at 10 yards. Still a Glock trigger, but different and quite easy to adjust to. I'm tickled to death with this Gen 4 Model 21. If these had problems Glock has fixed them. I realize this is a sample of "one" and may be an exception. The pistol is flawless, accurate, improved trigger (subtle difference), and does not have any ejection problems at all. No "brass to the face" either, as I've read some did.

RBid
January 19, 2014, 04:09 PM
The reoccuring issues were with 17s and 19s. The 26, .40, .45, and .357 offerings have been great.

I've had 4 Gen 4s. A 23, and three 19s. After a few thousand rounds, my 2011 19 Gen 4 (with the maligned 337 extractor) lobbed two pieces of brass to the top of my head. My others are 2013s, and have all run perfectly.

I looooooove Gen 4.

HexHead
January 19, 2014, 05:49 PM
Sure he can, there are a lot of Gen4 Glocks in use in CA, you just have to follow the correct procedures to obtain them
Are you referring to that "single shot modification" nonsense? Glock can't submit them for approval since they don't have magazine disconnects.

9mmepiphany
January 19, 2014, 06:05 PM
Are you referring to that "single shot modification" nonsense? Glock can't submit them for approval since they don't have magazine disconnects.
Why would availing oneself of the Single Shot Exemption be nonsense?

It is a legal and valid exemption within the law to obtain guns which haven't been submitted by the manufacturer for certification. The Single Action Exemption is equally valid, as is the target pistol one

...you're in CA and can't have one anyway
It is completely legal to posses a Gen4 Glock in CA

ratt_finkel
January 19, 2014, 08:52 PM
I've shot two different 34's without any issues. Actually the only model Glock I've enjoyed shooting.

HexHead
January 19, 2014, 09:04 PM
Why would availing oneself of the Single Shot Exemption be nonsense?

It is a legal and valid exemption within the law to obtain guns which haven't been submitted by the manufacturer for certification. The Single Action Exemption is equally valid, as is the target pistol one


It is completely legal to posses a Gen4 Glock in CA
I would agree with you if the modification had to stay on the gun once you took possession of it. But seeing as how the selling dealer remains in possession of the device to reuse shows it's a sham.

JDR
January 19, 2014, 11:43 PM
I have a Gen4 G-22 and G-21. The 22 needed some work to get it right, and it runs great now. The 21 is one of the best firearms I have ever owned. Brass to Face (BTF) can happen with weaker factory .40 ammo. It's rarely a problem with the G-22 if I maintain a good Isoceles stance when I'm shooting it, since I'm holding it further away from my face.

helitack32f1
January 20, 2014, 12:28 AM
I love my Gen 4 G17. Every Glock I buy from now on will be Gen 4 unless it is something different and special, like a perfect Gen 1 G17, a Glock 42 or, ya know, a G18.

John C
January 20, 2014, 12:48 AM
HexHead;

You say that now, but you won't like it one bit when 150,000 ex-Californians move to Tennessee and start voting. Just look at the politics in Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, and Arizona to see how that works. Especially Colorado.

-John

helitack32f1
January 20, 2014, 01:08 AM
HexHead;

You say that now, but you won't like it one bit when 150,000 ex-Californians move to Tennessee and start voting. Just look at the politics in Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, and Arizona to see how that works. Especially Colorado.

-John
Don't forget Washington, and the newest conquest of liberal wet dreams, Texas.

greenlion
January 20, 2014, 10:05 AM
The brass to the face issue is the only problem I've had with recent GLOCKS. Recent Gen3 guns have also had the problem. I have a Gen3 G21sf and G22 that both do it, and it is really annoying, and painful/dangerous, when brass gets down behind your shooting glasses. I also notice that the brand new G41 that they have shown videos of from the Shot Show slings a few brass at heads while people are demoing the gun. The new G42 380 looks like it never does it, and has strong side ejection.

So I would say no, GLOCK has not solved all their new Gen GLOCK problems.

Warp
January 20, 2014, 11:10 PM
I've had a Gen3 G26 since 2005. It was my daily carry gun for 6 years. A Gen3 G19 was my daily for a couple years as well.

As of last ~August, it has been my new Gen4 G26.

I have had 3 failures with it in approximately 1,222 rounds fired. That seems pretty poor to me, and is certainly a higher rate than any of my three other (all Gen3) Glocks.

HOWEVER, the three are as follows:

1) Failure to feed using a many years old, used and abuse, Korean brand knock off magazine, whose spring feels about 1/4 as powerful as a good Glock brand mag, whose follower is prone to tilt. So I'm pretty sure we can write that one off.

2) Failure to feed using a Glock magazine that I got with my first G26 in 2005, that I kept loaded for carry for all of those years, and used a bunch...and when I took the spring out the next day to replace with a new one, it was visibly shorter than the new spring. I'll call that one a tossup on what to blame.

3) A failure to eject (I think it was eject, I didn't record it well enough and have forgotten exactly what it did) using a round of Winchester Ranger, but I was using all the Winchester JHP I had up at the range because I have come to the conclusion that Winchester's quality control sucks the big one recently and couldn't trust it for defense...and as I recall the round sounded and felt weaker than the rest. Also, even though I listed this one last, it was the first to happen, on my first trip to the range, when the gun was brand new and any springs that might "break in" would not have been able to yet.

Full disclosure. ^

I haven't had any particularly problems with BTF or erratic ejection. Once in awhile I get pegged with one, I guess, but it's not common at this point. Last range trip I shot over 100 rounds and all ejected perfectly as far as I could tell.

tarosean
January 21, 2014, 03:55 AM
Gen4 19 sent back to Glock for failure to eject. Replacement pistol works fine. not sure of the manufacturing date since the casing envelope belongs to a G23 with almost the same Serial Number.

rbernie
January 21, 2014, 08:23 AM
My weekly range guns for the last year or better have all been Glock Gen4s. On average, I put 200 rounds of cast lead handloads downrange every weekend, and almost all of that for the last year or better has gone through a single G17. The rounds that didn't go thru the G17 went downrange courtesy of a G20 or G21 or G22. All of my Gen4's are less than 18 months old, and use stock magazines and stock bits excepting a Ghost Edge connector and Heinie/XS sights. I clean my range guns maybe every 3-4 months or so - sometimes longer when I'm busy with other projects, and sometimes shorter when I'm playing with backstrap choices.

The ONLY failures of any kind that I've experienced in the last year have been failures to chamber a batch of oversized rounds (9x19 sizing die wiggled out and it took me a bit to notice). That's literally *IT*. I've had ZERO failures to feed, failures to fire, failures to extract, or failures to eject. Ejection on the G22 and G20 is, um, vigorous with some of my handloads and I will sometimes get BTF (caused as much by the brass bouncing off the lane dividers as anything else) as the power goes up for a given load. However, I really don't consider BTF to be a failure as much as an annoyance and my experience is that I can eliminate BTF largely though ammo/load selection.

I know that it's popular in some circles to poke at the Gen4's. I am certain that some percentage of folk that bought one have wound up having an issue, since statistically that's just gonna happen across a manufacturing run - I'm not going to take away anything from anyone's direct personal experience. I also know that the later Gen4's got a different ejector than the first ones, to cure FTE issues, so early adopters of the pistol no doubt have experienced less reliable operation than I.

But my point is simple - in my experiences with a number of Gen4's bought within the last 18 months, they have been as rock solid and appliance-like in their reliability as I expect and demand.
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PS: My favorites are the G17 and G21. They seem best tailored to the recoil characteristics of the rounds that they shoot. Conversely, I find the G22 and G20 to be snappier than needed, especially the G22. The G23/19/30/29/26/27 are all OK, but the bigger grip of the full size models simply fits my hand better.

Y'all have fun out there. :)

SIGLBER
January 21, 2014, 12:03 PM
Really??? Over??? Yesterday at my range an advanced Glock armorer brought a bunch of new Glocks for folks to try. Says he is unaware of the BTF and ejection issues. One guy who has went through the whole thing with a G19 fired one of the new G19's. The Glock armorer watched as out of a mag of 10 rounds one nailed the guy in the safety glases.
Another said he took his G19 with over a thousand rounds to a GSSF event. Didn't believe in the BTF thing. After a couple hundred rounds it started beating him about the head and face. He switched to his new G17 which proceeded to do the same thing. The problems are not gone. The newer guns with the fixes are better. But it is still hit or miss.
The fact that someone gets one that doesn't have problems (or maybe not yet) does not negate the fact their are still lots of folks having problems.
Most now seem to be the cheap MIM extractors being either not formed properly and don't fit. Or they wear out after x number of rounds. I've seen some of the many new shooters at my range that don't even realize their guns shold not be beating them about the head at regular intervals.
Everytime someone has asked over the past couple of years if the late model Glock problems are gone people jump in and say yes I've had no problems. Sorry although better they are still out there. Fact based on weekly observation of said problem.

RBid
January 21, 2014, 01:15 PM
HexHead;



You say that now, but you won't like it one bit when 150,000 ex-Californians move to Tennessee and start voting. Just look at the politics in Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, and Arizona to see how that works. Especially Colorado.



-John


Oregon is certainly dominated by the left leaning politicians in the Portland area, but we quietly have a gun ownership rate substantially above the national average, and nearly 1 in 15 eligible adults here has a CHL. The secret is that the gun debate isn't all "lib vs conservative". There is a generation of what my brother calls "2A liberals" coming up who are very pro gun. WA is similar.

tomrkba
January 21, 2014, 01:30 PM
Glock 21 Gen4...good to go!

guyfromohio
January 21, 2014, 07:05 PM
I'm 3 for 3 with Gen 4 G19. Traded my week-old number 3 today. Sick of brass hitting my head. In done with 19s now......until I'm not.

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