NOSLER 26, oh please...


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RPRNY
January 18, 2014, 09:09 PM
http://www.nosler.com/news-and-articles/2013/11/22/the-26-nosler


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The 26 Nosler
November 22, 2013
NOSLER® UNVEILS WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL 6.5mm COMMERCIAL CARTRIDGE:

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I mean, really? This is "New and Revolutionary"? I just feel like this sort of gimmick assumes Joe Punter is a total idiot. That may be true , but flaunting it is so insulting. Besides which, this is just another encouragement to the vast and overwhelming majority of shooters and hunters who simply do not have the skills to make vaguely ethical shots at a quarter of a mile.

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Sam1911
January 18, 2014, 09:29 PM
Uh, could you maybe explain more of what you're trying to say?

I get that there's nothing really new under the sun in the firearms world, so another 6.5 -- this time in super-dooper-extra-magnum -- isn't really "revolutionary" ... but so what?

What's got you worked up about it? :)

HOOfan_1
January 18, 2014, 10:02 PM
Lazzeroni beat them with the 6.71 Blackbird

RPRNY
January 18, 2014, 11:22 PM
Just offended by the chutzpah required to pitch a nouveau 6.5 mag as "New". It's just the in-your-face making up a not new cartridge to sell yet another same old rifle to an unsuspecting few. And worse, the fawning gun hacks who will prostitute themselves in coming months telling all and sundry what a revolutionary new long range combo the 26 and the Patriot rifle are, ensuring thereby that some number of earnest young neophyte shooters will needlessly wound game at absurd distances they have no right to attempt. That is to say, I'm just being grumpy. ;)

788Ham
January 19, 2014, 12:08 AM
Yeah….. and that 129 gr. bullet smoking' out there @ 3400 fps, sniff, sniff, "Is that my barrel about to burn up? " The .264 mag. is one bad barrel burner, I don't care what name you put on it. I've got a custom made one, FN Mauser action, the old, old one, shooting 1/4 mile away at game, hmmm, maybe some bad JuJu coming down the pike. JMHO

taliv
January 19, 2014, 04:47 AM
i actually wouldn't mind a rifle that extended my range a bit an still hit hard at distance without being a 338LM in recoil and cost. I'm not saying 26 nos is that, cause i'd rather have it in a short action like the 6.5 SAUM.

i wouldn't be able to use it for comps since there's a speed limit of 3150 fps. and i wouldn't want to use it on my own steel inside say 600 yards because it would be pretty hard on it. but it would be pretty fun to shoot from 1200-2000 yards or so

Phaedrus/69
January 19, 2014, 05:03 AM
I bet it's a sweet round. The 6.5 bullets do offer great BC and sectional density. I've bagged a few deer with my ancient 6.5 Swedish Mauser.

NeuseRvrRat
January 19, 2014, 07:22 AM
how dare someone attempt a little innovation

627PCFan
January 19, 2014, 08:40 AM
Build it and they will come.

Necessity is another story

Abel
January 19, 2014, 08:21 PM
Lazzeroni beat them with the 6.71 Blackbird
Uh, no. Before you typed that, I had never even heard of the Macaroni 6.71mm. Great marketing has carried the day again. The 26 Nosler will likely be chambered in several makes of bolt action in the 2015 lineup.

HOOfan_1
January 19, 2014, 09:17 PM
Great marketing has carried the day again. The 26 Nosler will likely be chambered in several makes of bolt action in the 2015 lineup.

It will probably be about as popular as the 7mm RUM, probably less so. 6.5mm doesn't seem very popular in the US

NeuseRvrRat
January 19, 2014, 09:28 PM
6.5 is gaining traction and seems to have taken off in the last few years, mostly among the long range crowd. folks are unable to resist the excellent ballistic coefficients.

Jcinnb
January 19, 2014, 09:45 PM
I don't see any downside, except barrel.

Like the man said, "Boys, if you want to play, you gonna have to pay!"

Davek1977
January 20, 2014, 07:04 AM
Err...I don't think a company manufacturing a rifle or cartridge capable of long-range kills is at fault for wanna-be hunters who shoot farther than they should or can shoot accurately. Just because a Ferrari CAN be driven at 200 mph doesn't mean its Ferrari's fault when someone who has no training or practice jumps in and tries to run a course at 200mph. Building something "high performance" doesn't mean you have to vet every person who decides to use it. Back in the 90's, I bought a 7mm Mag. I've used it very successfully on many deer hunts. Even though the RIFLE and CARTIRDGE are capable of taking deer at 1000 yards.....I'm not. I'm smart enough to realize that caliber doesn't make up for skill or proficiency, and I'd like to think most people can rationalize similarly. My car can go way faster than I tend to drive it. Alcohol can get me far drunker than I choose to allow it to. Inanimate objects, no matter how innocent or sinister they appear do NOT control human behaviors, and having a gun that I "can" shoot 1000 yards doesn't mean I'd incapable of NOT shooting at extreme ranges

There will always be new cartridges that really don't do anything "better" than a dozen other cartridges, but is the "latest and greatest". If I got angry or annoyed every time this happened, I would have little time to be anything BUT angry and annoyed. Its the nature of the beast. Some people will always want something new and improved, and companies respond by producing what consumers want. I can't fault them for taking advantage of what is essentially a well documented trait of human behavior.

Sam1911
January 20, 2014, 07:15 AM
When you really stop to think about it, many, many TONS of game is shot, wounded, and lost by average joe hunter with his .30-30 at 100 yards or less -- every single year -- than is, was, or will ever be wounded and lost by the relative handfuls of folks who will buy one of these (or other velocity kings) and try shots at 400, 500, 800, 1,000 etc. yards.

Worrying about the coming epidemic of hunters wounding animals because they're trying shots they "shouldn't" out at these extended ranges is a tempest in a teapot.

If this bothers you, you should be downright irate over the skills and track record of hundreds of thousands of the guys and gals already in the woods each year with much more modest equipment and ability. There are probably 10,000 animals wounded and lost to poor 50-150 yard shots for every one that was actually hit and then lost at more than 400 yards.

Caliper_RWVA
January 20, 2014, 09:08 AM
Lazzeroni beat them with the 6.71 Blackbird

Nosler claims the "Most powerful commercial 6.5mm cartridge" They probably know better than to compete with the millions of wildcat magnums out there.

So, a .30-'06 length cartridge, magnum boltface, 6.5mm caliber. Sounds great for guys further west who have regular access to the kind of shots you could make with that BC/MV combo. Here I have yet to shoot past 400yd and don't know of a spot within a days drive to do more than 1K so don't have a need for a long range magnum that probably stays supersonic to 1500yd+. I'm guessing barrel life is short but sweet...

What are the chances of this really catching and staying though? It's a crowded marketplace and unless brass is readily formed from an existing, popular caliber then you're looking at only one source for brass/ammo.

Arizona_Mike
January 20, 2014, 12:48 PM
I don't see any downside except for throat erosion.

Mike

taliv
January 20, 2014, 03:17 PM
no doubt as sam implied, people wound more deer with muzzle loaders and archery. it's unfortunate. but at least they had the capability of making a clean shot. with long range shooting, most don't have the knowledge or skill to even be considered semi-competent.

berettashotgun
January 20, 2014, 06:47 PM
Reading the charts supplied by NOSLER, I must get my stupid chronograph re-calibrated - along with my calculator and the elevation rings on my scope.
29" barrel (rifled length) shooting 180 VLD's with a published load from 6mmbr.com is almost the same velocity as NOSLER lists a 140gr bullet from the 7mm SAUM. 3140fps.
BTW~ the published load for the 7mm SAUM is almost exactly as described from 6mmbr.com ( I actually had 9fps deviation) in good conditions.)
I know the longer barrel helps a lot, but wow. I had no idea.:rolleyes:

I must confess, this is exactly what my older brother has been talking about for about 5 years. Barrel life be dammed, " I just need about 30 rounds to work up the load,"
Gonna get him one on his 55th Birthday.

Appears to be a RUM case shortened to approximate a "reduced" size 7mm RUM true to caliber.
Kinda' like the 50bmg is a proportionally blown up 30-06.

Coltdriver
January 20, 2014, 09:20 PM
I think we discussed this in an earlier post and the fact that the case holds around 90 grains of powder is a real weak spot. That means a pound of powder is good for around 75 rounds.

I love the 6.5 and the 160 grain bullets do have the highest sectional density available. And they do sail nicely.

Still launching one with 90+ grains of powder has to kick and burning so much powder has to put it as a future outlier. Nice to have but a bit exotic for the average hunter. Maybe something for a Weatherby Magnum fan.

Takem406
January 22, 2014, 12:50 PM
How's it compare to the 6.5 Creedmoor???
I think with the advancement in technology there are a lot of people putting more practice in to long range hunting and not just lobbing bullets. Especially out west where the name of the game is go long or go home. There's lots of times were 300-400 yard shots are your only option. Usually in a stiff wind.
However with ballistic programs, good optics and lots of range time and days in a prairie dog town make these shots ethical.
You gotta think though, the idiots that your refer to probably won't be buying this hot rod caliber especially in an expensive rifle. They'll probably stick with their budget rifle and CoreLoks and a cheap Tasco.

1948CJ2A
January 22, 2014, 02:12 PM
Why all the hate?

I'm all for new cartridge introductions. It doesn't mean I'm going to buy them or necessarily like them. But why hate on more choices?

According to their ballistics table, the 26 Nosler is 300fps quicker @ the muzzle than the 264 Win Mag. The 264 Win mag is a 30-06 length (roughly 2.5") magnum case (.530-.532 diameter). Even with a shoulder adjustment (ie: a PO Ackley case) that wouldn't substantiate an additional 300fps. Maybe the case is larger diameter than the 264 Win Mag? That's about all I can guess.

UPDATE: I found this on Nosler's Twitter page. It shows the 26 compared to other similar cartridges. It would appear that the case is the same or similar to the 7mm RUM. If that's true, then this is not a standard 30-06 length case. Instead it's a 375 H&H parent case at 2.85" long. Similar to a 8mm Rem Mag for example.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=193980&stc=1&d=1390418465

HOOfan_1
January 22, 2014, 04:03 PM
Their drawings show it has the same MAX OAL as the .30-06 and the .264 Win Mag....but the 26 Nosler in that picture is longer than the .264 Win Mag in that picture.

Gtscotty
January 22, 2014, 05:18 PM
I thought that the word on the street was that the 26 Nosler was based on a 375 Ruger case. Either way, it looks like too much of a good thing for hunting around here. I rarely get shots longer than 175 yds, and it seems like I would have to use premium bullets to get sufficient penetration on the sub 100 yd shots that are most common.

redneck2
January 22, 2014, 07:28 PM
I kinda figured somebody with make a commercial round out of the 6.5-284. Should be close to this.

Gtscotty
January 22, 2014, 07:51 PM
I think the 6.5-284 has been standardized by Norma. Also, the 26 Nosler appears to dabble in levels of excess that the 6.5-284 can't touch. The 6.5-284 has a case capacity of just under 70 grains of water, but if the 26 Nosler is based on the 375 Ruger, or RUM case it should have a capacity exceeding 90 grains of water.

1948CJ2A
January 23, 2014, 08:41 AM
A couple years back I was kicking around building a 6.5-300 Wby Mag wildcat. This (the Nosler 26) would pretty much be the same thing without the venturi shoulder.

Caliper_RWVA
January 23, 2014, 10:03 AM
With the variety of 6.5 through .338 magnums out there with VLD bullets that will stay supersonic WELL past 1000 yards, I wonder how long before someone popularizes a 1,500yd F-class type competition... (or am I behind the ball living in a state where there are limited opportunities to get past 100-200yd)

Captcurt
January 23, 2014, 04:11 PM
Sorry, but I don't understand why they came out with another overbored cartridge. They had problems with throat erosion with the 264 Win Mag and didn't learn a thing. Then you have the extra cost for an exotic round coupled with an ammo shortage. Poor marketing if you ask me. I will settle for a Swede. As for killing deer at 600+ yards, no thanks. They are to great of a game animal to lose to a trigger finger fueled by ego.

1948CJ2A
January 23, 2014, 04:20 PM
Sorry, but I don't understand why they came out with another overbored cartridge. They had problems with throat erosion with the 264 Win Mag and didn't learn a thing. Then you have the extra cost for an exotic round coupled with an ammo shortage. Poor marketing if you ask me. I will settle for a Swede. As for killing deer at 600+ yards, no thanks. They are to great of a game animal to lose to a trigger finger fueled by ego.


I totally agree in this being a case of overbore BUT honestly I like some overbore cartridges AND if you don't plan on shooting them all that often, then what's the big deal? I'm pretty sure you could get at least 500 through it before you started having accuracy issues due to barrel and throat erosion. I think most of the bolt action rifles in my safe have less than 500 rounds each on them. Most of them are 10+ years old.

Point being if you're in the market for this cartridge or one like it, then you already are (or should be) aware that it is overbore.

Fast and flat shooting cartridges are cool IMO!

Captcurt
January 24, 2014, 10:33 AM
1948,

Don't get me wrong. I shoot a 257 Weatherby and love it. My point is, why do they keep coming out with cartridges that duplicate the performance of older rounds? Especially when ammo for the old standbys is cheaper and more available. The Weatherby is an exceptional round but, to be truthful, a 25-06 is not that far behind on paper. I would imagine that the Nosler would not outshine the 264 WM by much if any.

CraigC
January 24, 2014, 10:46 AM
I don't understand why people get so offended at new offerings. You're not required to turn in your old guns and buy new guns in new chamberings. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Speedo66
January 24, 2014, 11:35 AM
Shocking endorsement, what a surprise that he choose to say it's a great cartridge.

“I really feel the 26 Nosler® has great value amongst the large family of 6.5mm cartridges. With minimal recoil, tremendous velocity, energy and the ability to point and shoot at the intended target up to a quarter mile away, this is the quintessential deer, antelope and long-range target cartridge available on the market today.” –Bob Nosler, CEO/President Nosler, Inc.

RPRNY
January 24, 2014, 12:37 PM
I don't understand why people get so offended at new offerings. You're not required to turn in your old guns and buy new guns in new chamberings. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

I'm not offended by businesses trying to make money though innovation. I am insulted when they pitch their "new" sliced bread with organic sesame seeds as "THE GREATEST INNOVATION IN SLICED BREAD SINCE SLICED BREAD WITH UNCERTIFIED ORGANIC SESAME SEEDS!!!!!"

1948CJ2A
January 24, 2014, 01:50 PM
1948,

Don't get me wrong. I shoot a 257 Weatherby and love it. My point is, why do they keep coming out with cartridges that duplicate the performance of older rounds? Especially when ammo for the old standbys is cheaper and more available. The Weatherby is an exceptional round but, to be truthful, a 25-06 is not that far behind on paper. I would imagine that the Nosler would not outshine the 264 WM by much if any.

According to Nosler's literature, the Nosler 26 is approx 300fps faster than the 264 Win Mag with the same bullet weights. That's a substantial increase.

I've got a 257 Wby & a 25-06. Both are great and both will kill deer but I think the difference between them is more than negligible.

win71
January 25, 2014, 03:36 PM
The 6.5-284 has a case capacity of just under 70 grains of water, but if the 26 Nosler is based on the 375 Ruger, or RUM case it should have a capacity exceeding 90 grains of water.

I reload and shoot both a 6.5x284 and a .264wm. Both with 26"barrels. I also do the same with a 300 RUM. I personally have no interest in another 6.5 caliber.
I just put a fired primer in a sized 300RUM case and it held in excess of 113 gr. of water. I have no idea how much, if any, Nosler may have modified the length/shoulder of their 26 using this 404 Jeffery case but it will no doubt hold a lot of powder.
I'd be curious about recoil. The 300RUM is just flat punishing shooting off a bench.

HOOfan_1
January 25, 2014, 05:06 PM
I'd be curious about recoil. The 300RUM is just flat punishing shooting off a bench.

I would think somewhere between 7mm Rem Magnum and .300 Win Magnum.

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