Cimarron 1911 A1


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exdetsgt
January 18, 2014, 11:13 PM
Just acquired a new, shiny blue steel full-sized 1911 A1 by Cimarron, a company that seems to make mostly replica stuff. As an LEO and Arizona Ranger we carried polymers. No one was allowed to carry a 1911. So when I retired (from the Rangers) last September I immediately went looking for one. However, I had retirement income now and the attendant budgetary limitations, so most of what I found in the local gun shops was out of budget. But a couple of weeks ago I found this one and the price was right: $499. Immediately took it to the range and fired a variety of .45ACP through it, old lead GI issue, local PD lead reloads, new FMJ and JHP - in all over 100 rounds. Didn't seem to care what I stuck into the ACT magazine that came with it. It ran flawlessly. One hiccup: the rear sight was off so at 15 yards it shot about 2 inches to the right.

So I took it to a friend who adjusted the sight and all is well. I'm impressed with the Cimarron's fit and finish and it seems to be a hell of a buy at that price.

Also, I expected a steel full-sized 1911 would be too big and heavy to carry concealed. Turns out it's not at all. I think the narrowness as opposed to the fat double-stack polymer pistol is a significant advantage.

If anyone has one I'd be interested in their views.

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Byrd666
January 19, 2014, 12:15 AM
Have a buddy that is a Fed. cop for the the VA that bought one and he says, since our last conversation, that he's put about 2500+- rounds down the pipe with only a couple hiccups. Most of those were mag. feeding issues and bad ammo primers. I, myself have never fired or owned one but, from what I've been told, they're a decent, basic, 1911 platform to start with. Along the lines of a Rock Island or so.

Congrats. on the purchase and hope you have great time with her.

Onmilo
January 19, 2014, 03:34 AM
The guns are actually based on the original 1911, not the "Product Improved" 1911A1.
That said,
Pretty Gun! :)

MagnunJoe
January 19, 2014, 10:50 AM
She sure is pretty. How is the tigger pull on her? Is there a 80s version safety or is she based on the 70s version?

exdetsgt
January 19, 2014, 10:53 AM
I don't know why they call it an A1, either. My friend, who did the sight adjustment, is also a firearms historian, and he said it's a clone of the 1918 model.

exdetsgt
January 19, 2014, 11:09 AM
MagnunJoe:

I can answer part of your question - trigger pull is smooth with just a tiny bit
of creep.

As for the safety, I have no idea. You could maybe go to Cimarron's website and look at some pictures. Assuming it's a visual difference and not internal.

Also, sorry about posting pictures of just the right side of the pistol. Later on today I'll take a couple of the left side and post them.

Wil Terry
January 19, 2014, 12:35 PM
I never gave it a thought before but that Cimarron 1911 is a "replica" too.
I do hope it is as good as my Cimarron replica SA sixguns through which I have nearly 50,000 rounds with little problems to speak of.

exdetsgt
January 19, 2014, 07:39 PM
I wondered about that, too, Wil Terry. But then, in a sense, aren't all 1911's other than the original Colt also "replicas." I'm not sure where "original" ends and "replica" begins.

AethelstanAegen
January 19, 2014, 10:18 PM
I've had mine for a couple of years now. I recently sold off all of my semi-automatic pistols; the Cimarron 1911 was the one exception. I will not be parting with mine and I think you'll be really happy with it. Cimarron also has really great customer service.

exdetsgt
January 19, 2014, 10:38 PM
Thank you, I did not know about their "great customer service". In many cases customer service is in the other direction.

TennJed
January 19, 2014, 10:50 PM
It looks like it is actually blued and not the ugly black matte finish everyone uses now. Congrats

AethelstanAegen
January 20, 2014, 12:11 AM
It looks like it is actually blues and not the ugly black matte finish everyone uses now.

They have a gorgeous high gloss blue finish.

Jim K
January 20, 2014, 12:30 AM
From what I can tell, it is a copy of the M1911, not the M1911A1. While some folks prefer the older type, I like the A1 changes; my 1911's are for collecting, not shooting.

Jim

jogar80
January 20, 2014, 10:52 AM
Saw one of these at my LGS.... the blueing is better than anything I've ever seen on any other gun!!

Willie Sutton
January 20, 2014, 11:26 AM
These are an adjunct to the other product lines imported by Cimmaron (mainly made by Uberti in Italy) that are used for Cowboy Action Shooting competitions. They import and sell Cap & Ball replicas as well as SAA replicas and also replicas of many early period cartridge revolvers (S&W Schoefields, etc) and sell a line of transitional arms (replicas of cap & ball pistols converted to cartridge arms). Folks like me that collect and study this period of transition from cap & ball to cartridge know Cimmaron products well. This is their sole semi-auto for the reason recited below:

There's a subset of CAS called "The Wild Bunch" that use 1911's and other "arms of the end of the old west" in competition. The 1911 (which is NOT an A1 model) is marketed to this group. It's marketed as being and old school 1911 that represents what would have been used in The Wild Bunch shootout. Basically it's standard Single Action Shooting Society stuff shot with 1911's and Winchester 1897 shotguns. Sadly there are no Maxim Guns allowed.

Here's a link to The Wild Bunch shoots with rules, etc:

http://www.sassnet.com/wildbunch/



Cimmaron has a good reputation for their products, all of which are imported and marketed by them. I think that the 1911 is a product of Brazil, but would gladly be corrected if I am wrong.


Willie

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Devonai
January 20, 2014, 11:36 AM
I could deal with a flat backstrap and the absence of the trigger reach relief cuts, but I do buy the logic that the lowered and flared ejection port was an important upgrade. I would be worried that the 1911 would stovepipe more frequently than the A1.

Am I off base on that?

Willie Sutton
January 20, 2014, 11:38 AM
^^^ You're missing the point.

These are DELIBERATELY produced as representative of the EARLIEST standard of the 1911 for the purpose of historical recreation.

They are a replica of an ANTIQUE ARM and anyone buying one ought to be knowlagable enough to understand that.


Arm yourself with one of these, a Winchester 1897, a Krag Jorgensen carbine, a horse, and enjoy.


Willie

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Devonai
January 20, 2014, 11:47 AM
Sir, I understand perfectly fine why someone would want to buy this pistol. Since it appears that the OP intends to carry it for self-defense, I think a discussion about the merits of the A1 modifications is apt.

MagnumDweeb
January 20, 2014, 01:04 PM
Okay now I want one and a 1887 lever action shotgun, along with my Winchester 30-30. I thought about getting a Rock Island for a long time but now I'll have to check out these Cimarrons. If it's reliable that's all I care about, can anyone recommend a good magazine to use with these. I'm having to play Frankenstein to get my second STI Spartan to run right (file the slide release I think, and if that fails order Wilson's bulletprooof slide catch).

philbo
January 20, 2014, 01:26 PM
I think that the 1911 is a product of Brazil

It's actually made by Armscor in the Philippines and imported by Cimarron. Like the other Rock Island pistols I've shot, it's a lot of gun for the money and I've never had a complaint about any of mine. Love the polished blue finish on these!

exdetsgt
January 20, 2014, 09:51 PM
On the bottom of the frame just forward of the trigger guard is the following stamping:

APINTL PAHRUMP NV
PHILIPPINES

On the left side of the slide, after the obligatory patent info, is the following
stamping:

CIMARRON F.A. CO.
FREDRICKSBURG, TX U.S.A.

The stamping is very high quality work.

maddy345
January 22, 2014, 09:04 AM
I just purchased my first 1911 after years of Sig, Glock and HKs.

I think I'm going to like this platform. :)

exdetsgt
January 22, 2014, 11:17 AM
Great, did you get a Cimarron?

MagnumDweeb
January 23, 2014, 01:18 PM
The only ones I can find for the price point where it's better not to just up the ante to a Ruger SR1911 is the Nickel Plated version and the black matter version. I've already got two black matted Spartans so if I get one it will be the Nickel version which I'll admit. I like the idea of. I like Nickel plated guns, I just don't know why. Shiney!

PJSprog
January 23, 2014, 05:56 PM
I, for one, am glad some of these companies are finally making and marketing less expensive 1911s that actually function well. Price point was what really kept me out of that platform for the longest time. As a revolver guy, I just wasn't willing to spend $1000+ on something I wasn't really sure I'd like over the long haul. I've had a RIA Tactical for a couple of years now, and it's never yet had a hiccup. Turns out I do indeed like it.

Hope you enjoy yours, exdetsgt.

exdetsgt
January 23, 2014, 08:45 PM
PJSprog, yes, enjoying it quite a bit, actually. And carrying it daily, which surprised me as I didn't think it would work out (too long, maybe too heavy). But it's easy; don't notice it anymore than a Glock 19. In fact, the Cimarron doesn't seem much heavier, if any. Perhaps due to the extra 7 rounds in the Glock mag? The sole adjustment I made was to modify clothing a bit: longer jacket, longer untucked shirt, longer sweater.

Devonai worried that, not being an A1, it might stovepipe occasionally. I now have close to 300 rounds through it with no malfunctions. Period.

Will seek a longer holster to protect the forward end of the slide. Currently my three 1911 holsters are all made for short-barreled 1911's.

AJumbo
January 23, 2014, 10:00 PM
ExDet....... do you know whether Big Ed is still active as San Pedro Saddlery in Tombstone? He sure knows how to bend leather!

exdetsgt
January 23, 2014, 10:14 PM
I wish I knew the answer to your question. However, I rarely go to Tombstone even though it's but a half-hour drive.

But I do recall looking for a cowboy-type holster for a Ruger Single 6 and got directed to an older territorial home on Hwy 80. The home had a display area for saddles and holsters and a large leather workshop in back (you could smell it). If that's the guy he was there three years ago.

But there's another: Wm. Brown Holster Co. Virtually the same layout, only it's Bill & Barbara Brown.

Best I could do.

zoom6zoom
January 23, 2014, 10:37 PM
i also have the high gloss blued Cimmaron. In my opinion, the fit and finish rival the old commercial Colts. Beautiful pistol and runs great right out of the box.

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