Non toxic shot for old guns


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handloader357
January 22, 2014, 12:31 PM
I'm about to go goose hunting and would love to use my Winchester M12 heavy duck or my old 97. Problem is they're both full choke barrels. I know steel is a no-no in old guns and full chokes not designed for steel, so I'm up to a double no-no... :(

Is there any other non toxic shot out there that would run in these old full choke guns?

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Kingcreek
January 22, 2014, 12:34 PM
Yes, there are bismuth and other options. I've used the Kent nontoxic poly loads with good results, also hevi shot but all are pricey.

OrangePwrx9
January 22, 2014, 02:43 PM
^Bookmarked!

Hoping to use my Dad's old 11-48 for jump-shooting ducks on the creek.

PabloJ
January 22, 2014, 04:02 PM
The choices are: Nice Shot, Tungsten Polymer (same as Tungsten Matrix), Bismuth, Tin and Copper shot. There is ammo available but whatever you choose is going to be around $100 per 25 cartridges. That is why I got rid of all my old stuff in collectible condition.

handloader357
January 22, 2014, 04:25 PM
Damn.... After looking around at the store during lunch I started to wonder if it would be cheaper to have the choke opened up a little bit and get it chrome lined!

Just kidding though, don't want to modify them... They're still damn near original, except for the butt pad on the 97. Guess I'll just go with steel shot and the newer shotties until I hit the lotto.

drcook
January 22, 2014, 04:44 PM
if more and more states go the way that California has, the older guns will become wall hangers if not modified.

unless they are true collector pieces and you want to get some usage out of them you could have Briley install choke tubes that are matched to the barrel's dimensions and rated for steel

I have decided that is what I am going to do with a 1952 Ithaca 37 16ga gun I am redoing.

handloader357
January 22, 2014, 04:55 PM
My understanding is that it's not just the choke, but the entire barrel will get torn up from firing steel in these old guns. Am I mistaken?

Only 1 of my M12's would probably be considered collectible which is the "heavy duck" model. I have a 16 gauge field grade 28" modified which was manufactured in 1941. It was my 1st shotgun, but due to being caught in a flood and the original stock being cut down I had to have it reblued and restocked. Maybe it's a candidate for some modernization. The other is a 1925 manufactured 12 gauge. It has one of those god awful poly chokes on it and is missing the butt plate - not sure what to do with that one yet.

My 97 is a full frame (not takedown) 30" full choke with ordinance marks on the receiver. Not sure what it's worth, but I don't want to mess with it due to the flaming bomb stamped into the receiver. I'm sure it's no where as valuable as a trench gun or anything, but it's got to be worth something.

desidog
January 22, 2014, 04:59 PM
I have decided that is what I am going to do with a 1952 Ithaca 37 16ga gun I am redoing.

That's just to change the pattern, right? ...Because I've knocked down 100's of ducks with my Ithaca M37 16ga. (also from the 50's) and steel loads; same can be said of my '49 12ga M37: lots of steel down the tube with no issues.

MCgunner
January 22, 2014, 06:18 PM
I jumped a few ducks off the tank this season at my new place. I used my old Sarasqueta SxS and lead 4s. No game wardens around to witness the breaking of a stupid law. So sue me. :D I don't use anything, but steel on public hunts, of course, and modern shotguns that can handle it.

chas08
January 22, 2014, 08:19 PM
Kent Tungsten Matrix is all gun/choke safe. I use it in a couple of old sixteens for Duck. Its a bit Pricey though!

handloader357
January 22, 2014, 08:21 PM
Thanks for the advice.. The local cabela's didn't have any tungsten in stock though... Will have to dig around online.

hartcreek
January 22, 2014, 11:20 PM
What about choated shot? As I recall Daisy BBs are copper coated lead.

celem
January 22, 2014, 11:34 PM
What about choated shot? As I recall Daisy BBs are copper coated lead.

My recollection was that Daisy BBs are copper plated steel. I just happened to have some so I took a magnet to them and the magnet loves them.

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