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~T
January 22, 2014, 12:28 PM
So I LOVE, ADORE, CANNOT GET ENOUGH of firearms. I hate when people call them weapons, but that is my issue. I shoot a minimum of once a week, usually more. I really enjoy going to any gun store, gun show, game dinners... I am often the only female at such events, but whatever. I do not enjoy being yelled at or talked down to for my opinions. They are mine. I have crafted them from much experience and I am happy to discuss them. I am currently in the market for a new gun. I MUST HAVE open sights and a detachable magazine. Synthetic stock is mandatory. Must be .308, 30-06 or 6.5x55 Swede. I DO NOT want a Savage or a Remington 700. I have owned many and currently do own two of each and they are not for me.

I want a rifle with a sling that I can run through the woods with, use it as a paddle and a rock climbing tool, climb a tree and shoot a boar. I do currently have a couple guns that I do such things with, but the wood stocks look like hell.

So, let's chat! :cool:

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Potatohead
January 22, 2014, 12:31 PM
Welcome to THR!

So you're the artist known as , well, I cant even find that wiggly thing on my keyboard.

Elkins45
January 22, 2014, 12:40 PM
Tikka T3 meets all of your criteria. I have a left handed one in 308 and it is an absolute tack driver.

Poper
January 22, 2014, 12:58 PM
Are you adverse to used guns? If not, you may have an easier time finding what you are looking for. I realize you have a couple of Remington 700's you do not care for, but the Remington model 788 and model 600 are quite different in configuration from the model 700. The 788 has a detachable box magazine and the 600 has an internal magazine.
I have a Remington 600 that is right up the alley you described. A synthetic stock is available for it from Ramline and other mfrs, I am sure. I have a Ramline on my old Rem 788 .308 carbine and it has served well for more than 15 years. They also make one for the Remington 600. Both the 788 and 600 came with factory iron sights.

I hope this helps.

Poper

~T
January 22, 2014, 01:18 PM
Those were some quick responses. You made me laugh potatohead. Tatiana is just too... serious, so ~T seems to work. Elkins, I have fantasies about the T3. Shot several in 2013 and I WANT ONE BAD. But, open sights, detachable mag in 6.5 or 30 cal? If you can find one, post a link. Poper, I really like used guns. I feel better if I am not the one who puts the first scratch on it. Are you selling?

Thanks so much guys!

Elkins45
January 22, 2014, 01:29 PM
Those were some quick responses. You made me laugh potatohead. Tatiana is just too... serious, so ~T seems to work. Elkins, I have fantasies about the T3. Shot several in 2013 and I WANT ONE BAD. But, open sights, detachable mag in 6.5 or 30 cal? If you can find one, post a link. Poper, I really like used guns. I feel better if I am not the one who puts the first scratch on it. Are you selling?

Thanks so much guys!
Duh...missed the part about open sights. I suppose you could mount a red dot on it:)

Ruger scout, although it is laminated rather than synthetic. You could also find a good used Interarms Mauser.

Dr. Sandman
January 22, 2014, 01:29 PM
Welcome! Sounds like you need an M1A...

Ranger Roberts
January 22, 2014, 01:31 PM
Welcome to the forum! Are you opposed to something in a semi-auto format? If not, an AR-10 might be a good choice. It's chambered in .308 and has a detachable mag. They are essentially what we carried overseas and trust me when I say that they can take one hell of a beating!

RetiredUSNChief
January 22, 2014, 01:42 PM
I want a rifle with a sling that I can run through the woods with, use it as a paddle and a rock climbing tool, climb a tree and shoot a boar. I do currently have a couple guns that I do such things with, but the wood stocks look like hell.

So, let's chat! :cool:

Piece of cake!

Find any rifle you like that will suit your shooting needs. Then put on a pair of shooting gloves (which will help you climb rocks), strap it to a shovel (which you can also use to paddle with), then sling it over your shoulder, climb a tree, and shoot a boar with it!

:D

yzguy87
January 22, 2014, 01:46 PM
What about a 308 saiga? I like semi's! +1 to Dr. Sandman's recommendation for an M14/M1A. I'll probably get an M1A for my next 308. I won't be paddling my canoe with it but it sounds like they're pretty reliable under adverse conditions.

Potatohead
January 22, 2014, 01:47 PM
You made me laugh potatohead.

Glad I could oblige :o (blushing)

Potatohead
January 22, 2014, 01:50 PM
delete...(another) bad attempt at humor..erg..sorry OP.

Ranger Roberts
January 22, 2014, 02:04 PM
An sks is always an option as well. A few members here hunt boar with them. It's a .30 cal and there are tons of synthetic stocks on the market for them. People sometimes say that they aren't accurate but I completely disagree. I have a few of them and I hit very consistently with them.

~T
January 22, 2014, 02:17 PM
I live in the Socialist Commonwealth of Connecticut... so, anything I buy must be legal.
Dr Sandman: M1A. Perfect, but looking for bolt action and something made in the last couple of decades.
Ranger Roberts and yzguy87. I ADORE .308 semi autos, but alas, they are nasty assault machines that randomly fire at baby penguins and kittens. So, according to the Socialist Commonwealth of Connecticut, they are banned and I can't have one. Mostly because those of us that would own one are crazy and stalk baby penguins in the Litchfield hills. Geeze, don't you guys keep up with the rest of us crazy semi auto owners?:what:
RetiredUSNChief: Do they make a shovel with a picatinny rail attachment? Cause I want one.
Potatohead: I once destroyed a scope in the woods and did not have open sights so I was shooting my 30-06 like a shotgun. I missed and we had to eat fish at the camp that night. YUCK

~T
January 22, 2014, 02:22 PM
I have two SKSs and I am very fond of both. One is in a synthetic stock AND they are still legal here. I love the round and I can hit a 12" steel plate at 220 yards all day long. Those who say that the SKS is not accurate (have a friend who says that) are the type who will ONLY buy ARs. Joke is on them in Connecticut. AR-illegal. SKS now minimum $400, but... Legal.

Hunterdad
January 22, 2014, 02:22 PM
Mossberg came out with the MVP in 308. It meets all of your criteria.

~T
January 22, 2014, 02:31 PM
Open sights and detachable mag? Synthetic stock? SOLD.

~T
January 22, 2014, 02:33 PM
Hunterdad, do you have the link? I am on the web sight now and cannot come up with those variant? Maybe I will just drive over to Mossberg.

~T
January 22, 2014, 02:57 PM
I FOUND IT! It's gorgeous.
http://www.mossberg.com/product/rifles-bolt-action-centerfire-mvp-series-mvp-patrol-mvp-patrol/27742

Thanks Hunterdad!

JustinJ
January 22, 2014, 04:18 PM
Ruger Scout seems like the perfect choice, if legal in your area.

Do you object to calling any gun a weapon? My concealed carry pistols aren't worn to keep my pants from riding up.

Poper
January 22, 2014, 04:25 PM
~T,

Here's one on Gunbroker:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=388133097
It's \very similar to the one I have, except mine has no scope rings, just the iron sights.

There are quite a few listed there and asking prices are all over the place. I would probably sell my Mohawk 600 for what I have in it, but my 788 has been with me since 1982 and I can't bring myself to part with it. It's a dear, old friend.

Poper

gym
January 22, 2014, 04:46 PM
Look here, you should find something that works for you,http://www.slickguns.com/category/rifles

Potatohead
January 22, 2014, 05:09 PM
Potatohead: I once destroyed a scope in the woods and did not have open sights so I was shooting my 30-06 like a shotgun. I missed and we had to eat fish at the camp that night. YUCK

Sounds like a good reason to include that option. Good luck on your quest! PH

RetiredUSNChief
January 22, 2014, 05:13 PM
RetiredUSNChief: Do they make a shovel with a picatinny rail attachment? Cause I want one.

Probably not...BUT you can buy the rail and mount it to the shovel using appropriately sized countersunk wood screws.

:neener:

doc2rn
January 22, 2014, 05:13 PM
On the cheap I recommend a 91/30, its an old soviet rifle and they do make synthetic stocks for them as they kick like a mule with the 7.62x54R. Iron sights are standard but they have an internal mag. I dont think they have ever had a box mag. You can get a can of ammo for around $90 same as the rifle. So for ~$200 you could be doing everything you wanted. They also come with a sling and oil can.

jim in Anchorage
January 22, 2014, 05:58 PM
I am often the only female at such events

We need pics before we can advise you:evil:

danez71
January 22, 2014, 06:16 PM
Those were some quick responses.

Tatiana is just too... serious, so ~T seems to work.


That last part made ME laugh.

Welcome to the forum ~T (I know where the "~" is :D ).

If you think those were quick answers, try posting this question in the Rifle section!



Off topic...This thread makes me laugh.

You can tell a new male member from a new female member by the replies to their 1st post.

I want a rifle with a sling that I can run through the woods with, use it as a paddle and a rock climbing tool, climb a tree and shoot a boar. I do currently have a couple guns that I do such things with, but the wood stocks look like hell.


If I guy wrote that here he would have been chastised and berated for breaking safety rules, inappropriate use, general lack of respect for firearms and 50 lashes for posting in the wrong forum and not using the 'search' button.

A girl posts that and they get 25 replies from people mostly trying to be helpful.

I'm going to have to reconsider my screen name and online identity. :uhoh: :D

~T
January 22, 2014, 06:21 PM
JustinJ, I wear my pistol for self defense. Again, it's my interpretation of the word. To me, weapon is for offense. I am all about defense.

Proper, that Remington is beautiful. But wood stock = nicks and scratches.

gym, I visit Slick daily. Just bought a shotgun from there.

Retired, you willing to do the work? I pay with ammo. Lol.

doc2rn, I have two Mosin 91/30s in synthetic stocks that have been tamed. They no longer kick like a mule. More like a pony now.

Jim in Anchorage, you show me yours, I'll show you mine.

Elkins45
January 22, 2014, 06:32 PM
Hey, if you are willing to break out the screwdrivers I have another option for you. Century International Arms is importing the Zastava M70 Mausers. They come with iron sights but walnut stocks...that's where the screwdriver comes in. You would need to pick up a synthetic stock from Boyd's, RamLine or from some seller on eBay. Any stock for commercial 98 Mausers should work. I bought a good one last year on eBay for $68. It was a well known brand, although I can't recall exactly who made it.

jim in Anchorage
January 22, 2014, 06:35 PM
I can show my pic, sure.

http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g450/jiminanchorage/Image.jpg (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/jiminanchorage/media/Image.jpg.html)

stressed
January 22, 2014, 06:42 PM
Why do you oppose calling them weapons? There are no such thing as "guns" in the Army, they are all weapons. This is drilled and ingrained in my mind where I find myself almost correcting others.

d2wing
January 22, 2014, 06:42 PM
The Mossberg looks like it fits the bill. For a accurate but rugged bolt action it makes more sense than a vintage gun and checks all the boxes. You should make a mark or brand on it yourself to get over that newness. I would be happy to borrow it until it is well used, lol.

Sam Cade
January 22, 2014, 06:46 PM
I once destroyed a scope in the woods and did not have open sights so I was shooting my 30-06 like a shotgun.

That sounds like unethical behavior to me.

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 22, 2014, 07:41 PM
There are no such thing as "guns" in the Army, they are all weapons
That's weird. In the US Army, I was around "guns" all the time. Which Army has no guns?

~T
January 22, 2014, 07:54 PM
Nice rack Jim in Anchorage.

denez, what safety rule did I break? When you look up firearm arm safety in the dictionary, there is me smiling with my guns on the bench, pointing in a safe direction, empty, open with eci s in place. I am safety personified. My middle name is Safety. I bring safety to a new level. I am safe + t.

Elkins, I have a few Mausers. One in a Hogue stock.

D2wing, I am always willing to let you put a few through it :)

stressed, weapons (to me) are used for offense. The word, to me, sounds negative.

Sam, it was not unethical so much as rocky and muddy and slippery...

Gaiudo
January 22, 2014, 08:17 PM
Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather in .308 seems like a good fit for your needs.

ETA: sorry, no detachable magazine or iron sights.

How about the Ruger Scout? http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html

RetiredUSNChief
January 22, 2014, 08:32 PM
Proper, that Remington is beautiful. But wood stock = nicks and scratches.

Retired, you willing to do the work? I pay with ammo. Lol.

You didn't read my cardboard sign? It says very clearly "WILL WORK FOR FOOD OR AMMO".

:D

As for you other comment about "wood stock = nicks and scratches", that's all well and good. But might I submit to you that ANY use of a gun involves at the bare minimum wear marks from moving parts. Long term use of ANY gun will involve wear from use, wear from holster, and the odd nick and scratch over the years. Guns that have very minimal or none visible after years and years are simply guns that are not carried or used hardly at all.

Synthetic or wood is a personal choice and there are qualities about each which make them attractive. Synthetic stocks are subject to nicks and scratches as well...they just may not show up as easily as they do on finished wood. But then, wood can be refinished whereas a synthetic stock cannot.

Synthetics stocks are lighter than wood stocks, a definite plus under many circumstances, though a heavy stock might be better for higher powered rifles and shotguns.


Everybody would obviously like to have their guns retain their new appearance forever...or at least as long as they can. But they WILL show wear with use and carry, regardless.

;)

captain awesome
January 22, 2014, 08:38 PM
Just something to bring to your attantion, synthetic stocks look no less ugly than wood when they are dinged and scratched all to hell. My synthetic Mossberg 835 (duck hunting gun) gets the worst beatings out of any of my firearms, and she Ain't pretty. Wood can be glued, filled, sanded and refinshed. Plastic stays ugly forever. She keeps ticking though.

captain awesome
January 22, 2014, 08:39 PM
You beat me to it retiredusnchief!

RetiredUSNChief
January 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
I've got speedy fingers on the keyboard!

All that tapping irritates my wife to no end. That's because her ears could hear a fly fart in a hurricane at 100 yards. (And probably because I'm a far better typist than she is!)

Trent
January 22, 2014, 08:53 PM
Damn Jim, you're about as hairy as I am. :)

stressed
January 22, 2014, 08:57 PM
That's weird. In the US Army, I was around "guns" all the time. Which Army has no guns?
In which era were you in? that's odd, all firearms were henceforth know as "weapons". You would be corrected via PT or been hit upside the head if you used the word "Gun". This is/was 2002-current.

jim in Anchorage
January 22, 2014, 09:23 PM
Damn Jim, you're about as hairy as I am.

Alas the beard went white after that pic was taken. Now I look like Santa Claus.:banghead:

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 22, 2014, 11:03 PM
In which era were you in? that's odd, all firearms were henceforth know as "weapons". You would be corrected via PT or been hit upside the head if you used the word "Gun". This is/was 2002-current.
I was pretty much just being pedantic about your claim there "are no such thing as 'guns' in Army since most arty is referred to as guns, plus tank guns, chain guns, so on and so forth. Plenty of guns.

jim in Anchorage
January 22, 2014, 11:14 PM
Well this "guns" vs "weapons" thing is getting silly. We still need pics of the OP:cool:

jerkface11
January 22, 2014, 11:17 PM
Cz550

Trent
January 22, 2014, 11:24 PM
Alas the beard went white after that pic was taken. Now I look like Santa Claus.:banghead:

Mine is halfway there. It's strange looking in the mirror and seeing .. some old hairy man... looking right back at me.

After I grew my hair long and let my beard grow out there was a couple of times I scared myself walking in to the bathroom after waking up. I'd catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror over the sink and quickly reach down to my hip... then go.. hey... dummy... that's you!

Back on point; to the OP; CZ makes excellent rifles. I have yet to see a bad piece of hardware come out of the Czech Republic (new or old).

danez71
January 22, 2014, 11:49 PM
Nice rack Jim in Anchorage.

denez, what safety rule did I break? When you look up firearm arm safety in the dictionary, there is me smiling with my guns on the bench, pointing in a safe direction, empty, open with eci s in place. I am safety personified. My middle name is Safety. I bring safety to a new level. I am safe + t.


I don't want to derail the thread. But, for example, if a guy posted he used it as an oar, he would have been hammered for the barrel pointing towards his head while assuming it was loaded, cocked, and the safety off.... and defacing the almighty sacred gun would have brought out the tar and feathers.

Please don't take it as me picking on you.... it more of a case of giggling at some of the members here.


Again, Welcome to the forum. There is a wealth of info here and some really knowledgeable members. I hope you stay. We need all the Pro 2A members we can find.

AKElroy
January 23, 2014, 12:02 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=388394585

Here you go. Great price as well.

ShakyHands
January 23, 2014, 12:04 AM
Cz550

Based on hers signature "Pravda vítězí" the CZ should be her first choice! :neener:

or as that song goes .... Pravda vítězí ak ju sam nezradis ...

AKElroy
January 23, 2014, 12:09 AM
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7600.htm

This one is my next purchase. I think it would be a great pig gun, hard-use front seat truck gun, fast to shoulder and to target. Muzzle blast from that 16.25" tube with a .30/06 will be glorious.

Bob M.
January 23, 2014, 06:21 AM
Range report......:)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=729863

Robert
January 23, 2014, 07:53 AM
Ok enough innuendo. THR has very high standards and that kind of thing is very close to violating those standards. Let's keep it focused on guns and leave the rest at the door.

chicharrones
January 23, 2014, 08:33 AM
Based on hers signature "Pravda vítězí" the CZ should be her first choice! :neener:

Good call! :D

fmj50
January 23, 2014, 09:43 AM
I like the common sense of wanting iron sights, and for a newer gun it looks like Mossberg wins again with the new .308 MVP patrol, too bad the other major mfg. can't grasp the irons sights and detachable mag thing !!!

Ruger Gunsite scout, .308, detachable mags iron sights...but, to use a scope you have to remove the rear sight, shame on Ruger for that, and mags are 80$

BTW Mosin Nagant 9130, m38, m44 ..Yes you now can have 10 round detachable mags with the new archangel stock form Promag.

Howa 1500 has 10 rounder's a Hogue stock, but no sights, maybe it's time to make a set for that one .......

chicharrones
January 23, 2014, 10:22 AM
Ruger Gunsite scout, .308 . . . and mags are 80$

Options are available. $40, $62, and $75.

http://shopruger.com/Bolt-Action-Magazines/products/559/

http://www.alphaindmfg.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=51

taliv
January 23, 2014, 10:45 AM
stressed, weapons (to me) are used for offense. The word, to me, sounds negative.

well, just understand that the classic definition of the word has no particular affinity to offense vs defense. a weapon is a tool and it is no more negative than saying screwdriver sounds negative because i only use one when something is broken.

have you thought about customizing one of the guns you own? you know you can add a nice stock to them. you could add a stock like these to one of your existing guns for about $700 the bottom one is called the "rock solid" and it is SOLID anodized aluminum. it takes quite a bit to scratch and it will definitely take a beating. while i have custom defiance and bighorn actions in the pictures, the stocks will work with any rem700 or similar footprint.

alternately, you might like the FN PBR

http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/6slr-e.jpg
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/6slr-f.jpg
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/bighornrocksolid.jpg

Agsalaska
January 23, 2014, 11:17 AM
Remington 7600. They make the fake stock in .308.

~T
January 23, 2014, 07:44 PM
Jerkface and Trent, I am a CZ MANIAC. I am pretty sure CZ firearms we're put on this earth for ME. Good call Shakyhands and GREAT song: pravda vždy zvíťazí
zvíťazí. A favorite of mine.

AK, that Remington is hot!:fire:

Thanks Bob M and chiccarones and agsalaska. Fmj, I have the Archangel. Was a BEAR to get it to function. Finally, it works. The guys at ProMag were AMAZING customer service wise.

taliv, I have nothing to say, but WOW and WOW and even WOWer.

1858
January 24, 2014, 04:34 PM
How about a Sako 85 Black Bear? It has iron sights, a synthetic stock, a detachable magazine, is available in .308 Win and .30-06 Sprg, 60 degree bolt throw (3 locking lugs), CRF and a really cool fluted barrel.

http://www.sako.fi/sako85models.php?black_bear

http://www.sako.fi/products/sako85/sako_85_black_bear/sako_85_black_bear_2.html

http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85BlackBear.pdf

CaliCoastie
January 24, 2014, 05:40 PM
if your not stuck on synthetic browning makes a nice blr in a range of calibers..... some even take downs.

stressed
January 24, 2014, 06:18 PM
I was pretty much just being pedantic about your claim there "are no such thing as 'guns' in Army since most arty is referred to as guns, plus tank guns, chain guns, so on and so forth. Plenty of guns.
Ahh, yes I understand now. You sir are correct.

Derry 1946
January 24, 2014, 08:37 PM
Welcome, ~T!

Derry

B!ngo
January 24, 2014, 11:52 PM
I was gonna suggest Tikka T3 as well. I have two of 'em and they're excellent. But open sites?
B

Tikka T3 meets all of your criteria. I have a left handed one in 308 and it is an absolute tack driver.

shootr
January 25, 2014, 04:43 AM
Sounds like OP is very familiar with guns and has experience with more than a few. Lots of great recommendations here. Like the new Zastava and re-stock, or older rifle and re-stock. Savage also makes a handy little rifle with detachable mags.

If cost becomes a non-issue, might also consider having one custom built... A take down... Multiple barrels for quick caliber change...

Hope you'll post up what you get.

Elkins45
January 25, 2014, 10:30 AM
if your not stuck on synthetic browning makes a nice blr in a range of calibers..... some even take downs.
Some are available with laminates, and mine in 358 win is a great handling gun.

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