Ruger 10/22?


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johnandersonoutdoors
January 25, 2014, 11:02 PM
Hey guys,

I have owned a Ruger 10/22 for about 15 years. I have one rotary magazine and the rest are 25 round mags. I have always had good luck with butler creek steel lip mags and therefore gathered, uh...several.

My girlfriend has been shooting handguns a little bit with me and is interested in theProject Appleseed shoot (http://www.appleseedinfo.org/) that I asked her to do. Next step, adding another 22lr to my collection.

I have thought about getting another 22lr for years. My buddy has an old Remington 512 target, and I looked around for those for years but never got one. I have looked at CZ 452? and other bolt actions after shooting them. So I have liked all the bolt action 22s I have touched and I also used to have a henry lever action that I liked as well, but eventually sold.

On the other hand, I also have definitely thought about just getting another Ruger 10/22 especially since I have enough 25 round mags. Aside from 223 or some other calibers, even 2 10/22s with 25 round mags of 22lr is a lot of firepower. Now that I think about it, there is something to be said about have a second identical gun in case of the worst happens and you need parts to keep just one operating (note to self...make sure I have parts for 10/22, ar, m&p9 as I am not equipped in this area).

So what do you guys think? I want my girlfriend to be comfortable with the gun, so length of pull might be an issue. We haven't gotten her on the Ruger much and I can't remember how it fits her. What say you? A bolt action would be nice, but practically maybe I should add another 10/22. Maybe I won't like having a second one as much as something different but it could be for the best.

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ColtPythonElite
January 25, 2014, 11:53 PM
My first new .22 was a 10/22 over 20 years ago. Once I discovered CZs, the Ruger was basically retired.

ford8nr
January 26, 2014, 12:11 AM
I'd say find a nice bolt gun and she (and you) can have a choice which to shoot. I have a 10/22 and 3 bolt .22's each has their own purpose.

Cee Zee
January 26, 2014, 01:40 AM
Don't 10/22 mags fit the Ruger American .22's? That rifle is designed to be more accurate than the 10/22. It has a lot of features that should make it better for putting bullets on target. I'm not familiar enough with the American to know whether it actually does shoot better but from what I've heard and read they do. You wouldn't have guns you could use as parts for the other rifle but you would have a more accurate rifle. The 10/22 is designed to send a lot of lead downrange in a hurry. The American is designed more to put lead where you want it.

If your goal is to teach your gf to be the best shooter she can be I'd go with the American. Accuracy is best learned one shot at a time and the American is built more for accuracy too. It has several accuracy features the 10/22 does not have like an adjustable trigger which can go down to a very light pull, a set of stock modules that allow you to adjust the comb height (making it much easier to line up the scope with your eye so you can keep a good cheek weld and still see through the scope), a fiber optic front sight and an adjustable rear sight, a bedded block and a free floating barrel. All of those things say accuracy. I'd be amazed if it wasn't more accurate than a stock 10/22. Those 10/22's can be made into super accurate shooters but the American pretty much comes out of the box with most of the things you would want for accurate shooting. Of course the barrel tells the real story but it's hard to know about that without trying it.

45lcshooter
January 26, 2014, 06:01 AM
i have a rusty old barn 22 rusting away in the truck of my car, that i carry on my trap line, that will out shoot my 10/22 any day at 50 yrds, its a real shame, and the rusty barn 22 only has a peep sight and the 10/22 has a 3x9 scope and bipod. Better shooter doesn't mean lots of ammo. Better shooter means temper, strength, patience, 1 shot 1 kill.

sansone
January 26, 2014, 11:15 AM
the 10/22 is nice but I would not buy another one, I avoid multiple identical guns. Maybe get something more accurate like a bolt action .22

Goju
January 26, 2014, 11:49 AM
I own 2 10/22's, a Cz 452 Varmint, and a "beater" Remington 597. I've shot my rifleman score at Appleseed with each of the semi autos, at different events, and have not attempted it with the Cz - and that is the most accurate of my 22s.
If you are going to get a rifle for your GF to shoot an Appleseed, I would strongly recommend a semi auto and not a bolt gun. The information overload (drinking water from a fire hose) will be enough to deal with, and there is no reason to add the special physical functioning that will be required with shooting a bolt gun to the equation.
Between a 10/22 and other semi autos on the market, I will take a Remington 597 everytime. With factory barrels, every Remmy I have shot will outshoot a 10/22. While the 597 factory plastic stocks have a lot of flex, they are far more comfortable than those on the 10/22 carbines at least, which seemed to be sized like a childs toy. There also seems to be an almost mystical worship of the fabled 10/22 rotary mags, which I find to be a load of crap. Ive had plenty of FTFs...while the design is good, it is not bombproof. So I would suggest get a 597, find the ammo it likes, and have at it. The biggest know problem for these can be FTEs, which is easily fixed by installing a Volquartsen extractor - which is a 5 minute project. (This applies to the 10/22 also)

jmr40
January 26, 2014, 01:03 PM
My first new .22 was a 10/22 over 20 years ago. Once I discovered CZs, the Ruger was basically retired.

Current production 10-22's are not the same guns they were making 20 years ago. My older Rugers have either been modified with aftermarket barrels and stocks, or sold. For a while my CZ 452 American replaced the 10-22. But after buying one of the newer Rugers the CZ rarely comes out of the safe any more. It will hang right with it as far as accuracy goes and can't touch the Rugers with aftermarket barrels. There is something to be said for multiple guns that work the same and share mags etc.

If you decide on a bolt rifle I'd highly recommend the CZ. But I'm interested in how well Rugers new American bolt rifle that uses 10-2 mags is doing. I've not seen any first hand accuracy reports yet, but if it shoots as well as my newer 10-22's it will have to be a contender.

ColtPythonElite
January 26, 2014, 01:08 PM
New 10/22's are as accurate as CZs?... That's the first time I have heard that report.

targetshooter22
January 26, 2014, 01:08 PM
My first new .22 was a 10/22 over 20 years ago. Once I discovered CZs, the Ruger was basically retired.
Same here. CZ 452 Lux (old model) and I never looked back. Nothing bad to say about the 10/22 but everyone that handles the CZ likes it a lot. :)

Otherwise, nothing wrong with the others. Marlin, Mossberg, Remington, Savage, all make very good, very accurate 22 rifles that are a blast to shoot, and will last a lifetime. Personally, I like the bolt guns, but that's me. Many others have very accurate semi-autos with wonderful experiences.

nathan
January 26, 2014, 01:42 PM
So far i like my Ruger 10/22 Light Varmint Target barrel. Its been one hole at 25 yrds with Remington .2 target ammo. I ve yet to shoot it at 50 yrds, will see how it holds up. With the .22 ammo shortage i cant find REmington 22 target no more .

bannockburn
January 26, 2014, 03:48 PM
I bought my first 10/22 over 35 years ago. It was a tack driver then and still is today with Wolf Match Target ammo. Never a problem with the factory 10 round mags or with most of the aftermarket 25 to 30 round mags.

FlyingScot
January 26, 2014, 08:05 PM
My wife is attending our first Appleseed on Feb. 8. She has adopted my TD with scope and trigger updates, leaving me to my heavier 10/22T.

My most accurate is my HMR. CZ 452, but a bolt gun at AQT is not advised so it will be the T. The TD is very light and fits a small frame very well, I just had to put a cheekpad on it for her.

Jersey Joe
January 26, 2014, 10:13 PM
New 10/22's are as accurate as CZs?... That's the first time I have heard that report.
The fun thing about 10/22's is the customization. You can throw an aftermarket VQ or Kidd barrel on it and it will outshoot just about anything. Yes I know...$$$. Don't hate the playa :-)

greyling22
January 26, 2014, 11:09 PM
My experience: 10/22, is more fun. Cz is more accurate.

ECVMatt
January 26, 2014, 11:19 PM
I have both and like them for different reasons. 452's are getting harder to find. The 455 replaced it and had some bugs when they first came out, like all new models do. If I had to pick one, I would go with the 10/22.

ForumSurfer
January 27, 2014, 12:52 AM
Like someone else mentioned, the Ruger American Rimfire utilizes 10/22 mags. Definitely something to consider. I keep hoping they'll release a wood stock version.

fragout
January 27, 2014, 02:04 AM
How does your GF like shooting the 10-22 you have now?

Compared to a bolt action?

In short.....let her decide.

If she outshoots you at the next Appleseed event, give her the rifle......as she is a keeper;)

Then you would be "forced" to buy another.

Guns can multiply this way.......lol

Take along a brick of ammo per future rifleman, and have at it. ( I would also recommend an adjustable sling. It doesn't have to be a fancy expensive sling, as a simple cotton web M1 Garand sling works just fine, and if your not already trackin.......you would need 1 1/4in sling swivels.

A big favorite out there has been the bone stock 10-22 with a sling as well as Tech sights, but I did recall seeing quite a few 10-22"s with optics instead.

Good luck, and hopefully both of you get a lot out of it. (From my experience at Appleseed events, both of you will get more out of it with 10-22's over a bolt action)

FenderTK421
January 27, 2014, 02:38 AM
I got my girlfriend a CZ452 Scout and liked it so much I bought a CZ452Lux for myself. That said; for Appleseed I would get 2 10/22's w/ tech-sights and bolt release mods, 2 cotton GI type slings, multiple 10 round magazines (bring a black Sharpie), 2 4' x6' sections of scrap carpet, 2 sack lunches and an interest in brushing up on some good history to make the most of the experience.

HGM22
January 27, 2014, 03:34 AM
Marlin makes some very good .22 rifles.

Reloadron
January 27, 2014, 06:20 AM
I would be taking her out and having her hold a few different rifles and check for form and fit. You need to find out what she is comfortable with.

You have a 10/22 and I can see no reason to duplicate it with another. I see you mentioned an old Remington 512. They can be had at gun shows and turn up on Arms List every now and then with a host of other fine older 22 rifles by Remington, Winchester, Mossberg and others.

While the new CZ rifles don't come in as inexpensive they are excellent rifles. Depends on what you want to spend? I see the old Remington 510, 511 and 512 guns at gun shows going at between $150 and $250. The nice new CZ rifles in wood are I think about a $500 gun.

Personally I would consider a good used older bolt gun that fits her and she is comfortable with, that or a new CZ.

Ron

jehu
January 27, 2014, 07:57 AM
If you want a semi-auto 22lr that will take your 10/22 mags and also be very accurate then look at a Volquartsen.:what:

ForumSurfer
January 27, 2014, 08:26 AM
As someone else said, let her pick.

Marlin makes some very good .22 rifles.

Yes they do. I love my 60. When I took my new 10/22 out of the box, the 60 was more accurate and it's a 20+ year old rifle. In the marlin 60 vs ruger 10/22 battle...the correct answer on which to buy is "both."

ole farmerbuck
January 27, 2014, 08:29 AM
Marlin makes some very good .22 rifles.
Yep, I got a stainless Marlin a while back and it will outshoot any of the 8 or 10 stock 10-22's that I have. One big ragged hole at 40+ yards, 15 shots.

ForumSurfer
January 27, 2014, 08:36 AM
Oh snap...you can't forget about the actual Appleseed Rifle. The Marlin 795 outfitted with tech sights (awesome doesn't even begin to describe them), Appleseed ticket, sling and two mags.

http://appleseedinfo.org/ltr-marlin.html

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=70677

mac66
January 27, 2014, 10:59 AM
Wait a few months and you can buy this baby which is specifically designed for Appleseed. How do I know that? Because I designed it and am an Appleseed instructor. :D

That's not me in the photo, just a Ruger guy...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/1525602_644881445576314_981752895_n_zps177cff60.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mac66/media/1525602_644881445576314_981752895_n_zps177cff60.jpg.html)

greyling22
January 27, 2014, 01:23 PM
I like most of it, but why on earth would you design it with a giant flash hider on the end? That's bonkers on a 22. (it's great if you have a suppressor, but if you don't......)

Captains1911
January 27, 2014, 02:29 PM
A 10/22 with standard 10 round mags is plenty accurate and ideal for Appleseed shoots.

Captains1911
January 27, 2014, 02:30 PM
Wait a few months and you can buy this baby which is specifically designed for Appleseed. How do I know that? Because I designed it and am an Appleseed instructor. :D

That's not me in the photo, just a Ruger guy...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/1525602_644881445576314_981752895_n_zps177cff60.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mac66/media/1525602_644881445576314_981752895_n_zps177cff60.jpg.html)
specs please

dmurdach
January 27, 2014, 02:39 PM
oops

PJSprog
January 27, 2014, 03:16 PM
My wife has a 10/22, and I have a pair of Savage bolts (MkII & 93). She likes her 10/22 better, and shoots it well.

We've also talked about doing an Appleseed event. Looks like a good time.

mac66
January 27, 2014, 10:39 PM
The Ruger gun was designed with the idea that a rifle with decent sights i.e., peep and post sights, and a scope rail for modern optics would be pretty practical. In addition an adjustable stock for large and small shooters would be practical. Add sling swivels and you have a great grab and go, all weather rifle right out of the box. In order to get Ruger to actually make it, I specified components they already had. The sights were from the Mini 14/30, the stock was directly from their fairly new American Rimfire bolt action. That buttsplate/cheek piece is replaceable with long or short, tall or low cheek well to fit big and small people as well as the iron sights or scope.

Ok, the big honking flash hider isn't really for hiding the non existing flash on a .22. That idea came from teaching new shooters how to shoot prone. Invariably they tend to dip the muzzle of the rifles into the dirt, mud, snow, concert. Appleseed instructors starting putting slip on flash hiders to keep the muzzles/crown from being damaged. On of my colleagues actually cut down and threaded barrels and used cut down AR15 flash hiders to protect the muzzle. He called them "mud guards". I couldn't get Ruger to make cut down short flash hiders/muzzle comps so I just specified "flash hider" and that's what they make. The first thing I would do is replace it with a cut down "mud guard". Of course you could also use the threads barrel for a suppressor or muzzle comp but my design was for a muzzle protector.

Here is the original design. The things off to the right are the butt stock attachments and also notice the compact version with a shorter barrel. Lets hope they offer the compact version as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/ruger5_zpsb2b86e41.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mac66/media/ruger5_zpsb2b86e41.jpg.html)

greyling22
January 27, 2014, 10:49 PM
Ok, I'll buy that explanation. I do wish they would include an optional thread protector and raise the price $4. Now if they would redesign the bolt catch/release to the auto release so I don't have to mod or replace them (picking nits, but I do think it is an improved design. I could ask for a better trigger, but like that is ever going to happen. I'll just keep fixing the stock one) they would have a truly grand rifle.

mac66
January 27, 2014, 11:21 PM
I specified an auto bolt release in my submission but I don't know if it will make it into the final product. They are kinda funny that way and of course I had to sign away my design in exchange for the prizes/compensation.

Cee Zee
January 28, 2014, 12:12 AM
But after buying one of the newer Rugers the CZ rarely comes out of the safe any more. It will hang right with it as far as accuracy goes and can't touch the Rugers with aftermarket barrels.

I'm not usually one to criticize a post but this is so far over the top I have to say something. I've "never" seen a stock Ruger that would shoot better than a Marlin 60 as far as accuracy goes much less a CZ. Will it be better for Appleseed? Maybe since Appleseed seems to have been designed for the 10/22. From what I understand it doesn't require a high degree of accuracy. Yes a rifle must be fairly accurate but not benchrest accurate.

I suggested the American because the OP was talking about a bolt gun and seemed to like the idea of having a rifle that used his Ruger mags. That put the American in the mix IMO. But there are other semi-autos that will work for Appleseed. The Marlin 795 is one. They have a model designed specifically for Appleseed too. Personally I've never seen one of those events anywhere near where I live. I suppose it would be fun but absolute accuracy is more fun IMO.

BTW I have a fairly new Marlin 60 and an old one. Both were more accurate than the 2 10/22's my best friend bought within a week of the time I bought the new Marlin. We shot them side by side and switched shooters and rifles. The Marlins won every time. some, Ruger does, Marlin does, Remington does, S&W does, etc., etc.. I would think that working a bolt quickly wouldn't be that tough for Appleseed. Not if you practice.

As much hyperbole as I've seen attached to Rugers I think this takes the cake. I've never seen anyone make a claim like that except you. There are some great shooters that make it out of the factory sometimes. I suppose it's possible that a top shooting Ruger would outshoot a bottom feeder CZ. But it sure isn't likely to happen more than once. They aren't even close to being in the same category of accuracy.

cdb1
January 28, 2014, 05:19 AM
I have a Marlin Model 60 with an aftermarket trigger. My BIL has three tricked out 10/22's. My Model 60 is more accurate than his Rugers. Also have a CZ. 512 that seriously rocks.

mac66
January 28, 2014, 03:20 PM
Actually the marksmanship part of Appleseed is based on the old military course of fire which is based on the Garand. That means a semi auto with the capability of shooting up to ten rounds in combinations of 2 & 8 and 5 & 5. In the beginning Appleseed was all about high powered center fire rifles.

It just sort of evolved that with the price of centerfire ammunition going up (before the panic) the 22 rifle became popular The Ruger 10/22 became the most popular because it has a flush fitting detachable magazine and was both reliable and accurate. It was like shooting a service rifle.

Is it the most accurate 22 rifle? No.
Is it more accurate than most people can shoot it? Yes.

Most people cannot shoot into an inch, unsupported at 25 meters (at least until after they come to an Appleseed) . A stock 10/22 will do that. I see that time and time again on the line at Appleseed. And inch at 25 meters is 4 moa (4" @ 100 yards) which is pretty good for everything but a target rifle. A typical stock 10/22 will do a little better than that, maybe 2.5-3.5 moa.

Captains1911
January 28, 2014, 04:05 PM
The Ruger gun was designed with the idea that a rifle with decent sights i.e., peep and post sights, and a scope rail for modern optics would be pretty practical. In addition an adjustable stock for large and small shooters would be practical. Add sling swivels and you have a great grab and go, all weather rifle right out of the box. In order to get Ruger to actually make it, I specified components they already had. The sights were from the Mini 14/30, the stock was directly from their fairly new American Rimfire bolt action. That buttsplate/cheek piece is replaceable with long or short, tall or low cheek well to fit big and small people as well as the iron sights or scope.

Ok, the big honking flash hider isn't really for hiding the non existing flash on a .22. That idea came from teaching new shooters how to shoot prone. Invariably they tend to dip the muzzle of the rifles into the dirt, mud, snow, concert. Appleseed instructors starting putting slip on flash hiders to keep the muzzles/crown from being damaged. On of my colleagues actually cut down and threaded barrels and used cut down AR15 flash hiders to protect the muzzle. He called them "mud guards". I couldn't get Ruger to make cut down short flash hiders/muzzle comps so I just specified "flash hider" and that's what they make. The first thing I would do is replace it with a cut down "mud guard". Of course you could also use the threads barrel for a suppressor or muzzle comp but my design was for a muzzle protector.

Here is the original design. The things off to the right are the butt stock attachments and also notice the compact version with a shorter barrel. Lets hope they offer the compact version as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/ruger5_zpsb2b86e41.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mac66/media/ruger5_zpsb2b86e41.jpg.html)
Thanks for the details. If I didn't already have a 10/22 setup for Appleseed I would look hard at this when it comes out.

Cee Zee
January 28, 2014, 06:16 PM
Actually the marksmanship part of Appleseed is based on the old military course of fire which is based on the Garand.

Yeah I knew that. It just seems like the whole thing was geared toward the Rugers even if it wasn't really. Ruger was making pretty much the only .22 that worked well within the framework of Appleseed for a long time. Now other rifle makers are getting in on the action specifically Marlin for one with the 795 Liberty Training Rifle they just designed to work with Appleseed. My 795 is on par with Ruger 10/22's as far as accuracy goes in my experience. But others say their 795's shoot better than mine do. I haven't really seen a lot of them around to know just how well they work on average I guess.

An inch at 25 yards is not exactly the stuff of Anschutz rifles. It can be done with most modern rifles with decent ammo IMO. I'm not sure what the time limits are but that seems to be the key.

mac66
January 28, 2014, 08:35 PM
I have a couple of 795s which I like very much. They have become popular with Appleseeders primarily because of their lower cost. Mine (one with Tech Sights, one with a scope) are more accurate than my 10/22. It is lighter, the stock is a bit flimsy and I think it is harder to shoot than my 10/22s. I don't like the mag sticking out or the mag release. I do like the bolt release.

I liked it enough to buy a second one and overall it is a great bang for the buck.

johnandersonoutdoors
January 28, 2014, 08:51 PM
Thank you everyone. I appreciate the feedback. Gonna have some thinking to do over the next few months :)

Cee Zee
January 30, 2014, 04:28 AM
They have become popular with Appleseeders primarily because of their lower cost.

You wouldn't believe what I paid for my 795. Gander Mtn. had 2 different sales going on including a weekend $20 off anything over $100 and $30 off the 795 itself. Plus that was when Marlin still had a $25 rebate on the 795. The listed price was $125 but because a salesman lied to me several times about having them in stock and me having sent my son to buy one for me which was a long way out of his way the store manager sold me the model with the scope on it for the $125 price plus I got all those discounts. The scope wasn't much of course but I was offered $15 for it. I was holding out for $20. If I had taken the $15 I would have a grand total of $40 in a brand new 795. I still have the scope because I haven't been to any flea markets or whatever since then. I'll sell it. I was just holding out for $20 just to see how far I could get the actual price down. $35 for a brand new rifle just has a good ring to it IMO. If I never sell that scope (probably good for a kids air rifle or something) I still don't have much money in that rifle. I don't know if I remember the exact details but I do remember it was $40 if I sold that scope for $15.

Sometimes you just get lucky I guess.

d2wing
January 31, 2014, 02:54 PM
Every thread about Rugers one or two guys will post that their 60's are better than any Ruger 10/22. Maybe so. but the results of shooting matches do not bear that out. look up rimfire matches. seldom does a 60 run with the Rugers. I know my Marlin 795 wont come close to my Ruger. Posting it doesn't make it so.
when it happens in sanctioned witnessed matches it will have some credibility.
I don't take posted groups as proof. we just had an episode like that on another site.

ole farmerbuck
January 31, 2014, 03:38 PM
I have 8 10-22's and none of them will do this except the ones with Green Mountain barrels. This is with my new Stainless model 60 the other day at 40 OR 50 yards. Rapid fire.
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn88/farmerbuck/model60_zpsaf9b0b65.jpg (http://s302.photobucket.com/user/farmerbuck/media/model60_zpsaf9b0b65.jpg.html)

mooner
January 31, 2014, 03:43 PM
Believe it or not, my Marlin 60 is more accurate than my 10/22. No bias here, just how it is.

Cee Zee
February 1, 2014, 11:22 PM
Some people won't take anything as proof that a 60 will shoot more accurate than a 10/22. I've tested several side by side and the 60 won "every" time. Even a 20 year old 60 with 150,000 rounds through it bested 2 brand new Rugers. I do not think my 795 will outshoot a 10/22 though. But I have only shot one 795 so I don't know how mine compares to the average model. Actually i've had several Marlins that wouldn't shoot as well as a 10/22 including a 925 bolt action. But the 60 is consistently better in my experience.

Yes people always bring up Marlins when the talk turns to Ruger 10/22 rifles. There's a reason for that. For me it's because I've seen way too many posts where people say that Ruger is the best rifle ever made. I just like to do my part to dispel mythology.

I don't hate Ruger. They make some fine weapons. I did seriously dislike them for a while because of the things Bill Ruger said and did. But he's been gone a long time and Ruger is making big progress IMO with the American series among others. I own a Ruger handgun and there is one Ruger handgun I've wanted for years but can't find one. I just think the 10/22 gets wrapped up in way too much hype sometimes. As an extreme example wouldn't you want someone to inform you that buying a Yugo car was a really bad idea? I'm not putting the 10/22 in that low of a category but the principle is the same. If I can help someone make a better decision then I feel like I've done a good thing. And unless you want to build a project gun or maybe you want to shoot Appleseed the rest of the time a Marlin 60 is a better choice. Cheaper, more accurate, just as reliable and none of those balky round mags. My thumbs hurt just thinking about those.

roadliner
February 3, 2014, 12:04 AM
I've never shot a CZ, but own three 10/22's. The oldest is around 30+ and the newest is a 40th Anniversary model. Two have aftermarket barrels and stocks and all shot better than I can. I have several inexpensive bolt actions somewhere in a safe that haven't been out in 20 years or so.

savanahsdad
February 13, 2014, 01:51 PM
Some people won't take anything as proof that a 60 will shoot more accurate than a 10/22. I've tested several side by side and the 60 won "every" time. Even a 20 year old 60 with 150,000 rounds through it bested 2 brand new Rugers. I do not think my 795 will outshoot a 10/22 though. But I have only shot one 795 so I don't know how mine compares to the average model. Actually i've had several Marlins that wouldn't shoot as well as a 10/22 including a 925 bolt action. But the 60 is consistently better in my experience.

Yes people always bring up Marlins when the talk turns to Ruger 10/22 rifles. There's a reason for that. For me it's because I've seen way too many posts where people say that Ruger is the best rifle ever made. I just like to do my part to dispel mythology.

I don't hate Ruger. They make some fine weapons. I did seriously dislike them for a while because of the things Bill Ruger said and did. But he's been gone a long time and Ruger is making big progress IMO with the American series among others. I own a Ruger handgun and there is one Ruger handgun I've wanted for years but can't find one. I just think the 10/22 gets wrapped up in way too much hype sometimes. As an extreme example wouldn't you want someone to inform you that buying a Yugo car was a really bad idea? I'm not putting the 10/22 in that low of a category but the principle is the same. If I can help someone make a better decision then I feel like I've done a good thing. And unless you want to build a project gun or maybe you want to shoot Appleseed the rest of the time a Marlin 60 is a better choice. Cheaper, more accurate, just as reliable and none of those balky round mags. My thumbs hurt just thinking about those.
^^^ this post needs IMO all over it ! and if YOUR mod 60 is more accurate , good for YOU , MY 1971 Ruger 10/22's are way more accurate than my 1991 jam-o-matic mod 60 , and the mod 60 has had the buffer replace and a new firing pin installed , most everyone made some junk in the 80's and early 90's , Ford, Chevy , Marlin , Ruger , RCBS , Lee , but most of the newer stuff it back to the standards of the 70's , still hard to find a good looking stock on either the 10/22 or the mod 60, IMO, but the mod 60 has not looked good since they were Glenfields ,IMO , but even those were picky about what you fed them , you may find a round that shoots good but wont feed good , I've seen Rugers with crap triggers , and some that would not group well , but I would rather have to take that 2nd shot, than have to unjam my gun , and there are threads all over the inter-web about tube-feed and ammo not feeding ie picky.

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