Help me pick out a better Concealed Carry Weapon


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Kuyong_Chuin
January 27, 2014, 05:57 PM
I am taking my CCW class Saturday and once I have my permit I do have a pistol I can carry till I acquire a smaller one. Right now I have a Ruger P94 in 40 S&W. The pistol is right at 7.5 inch long, a little under 1.5 inches wide and about 5 inches in height. I looked at the EAA Witness Carry but it was about the same size as my Ruger. So here is my requirements for what I am looking for.

1. Can be fired with ether hand comfortably.
2. Has Ambidextrous Controls.
3. Has a hammer and works in both DA and SA modes.
4. Can be converted to other calibers especially .22LR
5. Works well with someone with large hands.
6. Easily Concealed
7. Non Glock
8. Semi-Auto
9. Preference to be available in 10mm or 40 S&W or both with a barrel change.
10 Under $500 ether New or used the lower in price the better.

The EAA Witness P Carry fit all the categories but two. It was not smaller than my Ruger and it was not listed as having Ambidextrous Controls. I don't remember the one I looked at awhile back if it had Ambidextrous Controls on it or not. So can you suggest a hand gun that will fit my hopeful requirements?

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snapshot762
January 27, 2014, 08:04 PM
CZ 85 combat comes to mind, but not smaller than your Ruger.

mesinge2
January 27, 2014, 08:32 PM
I am not sure about the 22 conversion but Beretta PX4 Storm series fits everything else.

Full Size:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k_L-fMMnt68/UGxw6uFCHeI/AAAAAAAAADM/iNmkttZOIko/s1600/storm%2Bfull%2Bsize.png


Compact:
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/a/a6/Px4StormCompact2.jpg/400px-Px4StormCompact2.jpg


Sub-Compact:
http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/Beretta-Px4-Storm-Sub-Compact.jpg

TennJed
January 27, 2014, 09:23 PM
Beretta 92. Fits everything but maybe too big to conceal easy.

As far as the $500, is that just for the gun? You are not going to be able to come close to getting a gun and a 22 conversion for under $500 (exception maybe with Kel Tec)

Kuyong_Chuin
January 27, 2014, 09:46 PM
Beretta 92. Fits everything but maybe too big to conceal easy.

As far as the $500, is that just for the gun? You are not going to be able to come close to getting a gun and a 22 conversion for under $500 (exception maybe with Kel Tec)
Yes just for the gun. Conversions will come as I get the funds. Going to have to ether save up or finance the pistol.

hartcreek
January 27, 2014, 10:32 PM
Personally I would not wast the money on a 22 conversion kit. I have several 22s that I have not shot is several years simply to the lacks of 22s. If you want an inexpensive practice round Speer used to make plastic projectiles. You load them is brass cases and they just use magnum primers.

TennJed
January 27, 2014, 10:59 PM
since you are on a budget, I might suggest a Bersa Thunder UC comes in 40, has the ambi safeties, DA/SA trigger. It is not very expensive and is very concealable. Not caliber swap option, but honestly your list is going to be hard to meet every criteria.

If you can do without the caliber swap the Bersa is a good choice. They have a great rep. IMHO, they are the best $ value in a carry gun out there.

.40 Specifications

Model: TPUC40
Caliber(s): .40 S&W
Action: DA /SA
Capacity: 10+1
Barrel Length: 3.25”
Front Sight: Interchangeable Sig Sauer #8
Rear Sight: Interchangeable Sig Sauer #8
Finishes: Duotone or Matte Black
Grips: Checkered Black Polymer
Construction: Alloy Frame/Steel Slide
Safety: Integral Locking System, Manual, Firing Pin
Weight: 23 oz.
Length: 6.5”
Height: 4.75”
Width: 1.45”

http://www.bersa.com/skin/frontend/blank/theme063/images/guns/Thunder-Pro-UC-40-duoNM-L-fram.jpg

2wheels
January 27, 2014, 11:16 PM
That's quite a list, I honestly don't think you're going to get 100% of it in one gun.

Armor Snail
January 27, 2014, 11:38 PM
I am taking my CCW class Saturday and once I have my permit I do have a pistol I can carry till I acquire a smaller one. Right now I have a Ruger P94 in 40 S&W. The pistol is right at 7.5 inch long, a little under 1.5 inches wide and about 5 inches in height. I looked at the EAA Witness Carry but it was about the same size as my Ruger. So here is my requirements for what I am looking for.

1. Can be fired with ether hand comfortably.
2. Has Ambidextrous Controls.
3. Has a hammer and works in both DA and SA modes.
4. Can be converted to other calibers especially .22LR
5. Works well with someone with large hands.
6. Easily Concealed
7. Non Glock
8. Semi-Auto
9. Preference to be available in 10mm or 40 S&W or both with a barrel change.
10 Under $500 ether New or used the lower in price the better.

The EAA Witness P Carry fit all the categories but two. It was not smaller than my Ruger and it was not listed as having Ambidextrous Controls. I don't remember the one I looked at awhile back if it had Ambidextrous Controls on it or not. So can you suggest a hand gun that will fit my hopeful requirements?

Yes there is a gun that can.

The CZ 2075 RAMI fulfills every one of your criteria.

1. No problem
2. Ambi safety
3. Check
4. CZ Kadet .22lr conversion
5. Shouldn't be a problem
6. Size of a G26
7. It's better
8. Yes
9. No 10mm but it is offered in .40 S&W
10. Sometimes new for $550ish but can be found used for less than $500

Kuyong_Chuin
January 27, 2014, 11:52 PM
That's quite a list, I honestly don't think you're going to get 100% of it in one gun.
I am beginning to see that myself. All the conversion kits I seen online so far are for full size pistols with the EAA P Compact Carry being the exception. I might be just better off carrying P94 and just getting a different type of holster. Then buy a SR22 or something to practice with. Still going check out that Bersa Thunder UC and keep looking.

Personally I would not wast the money on a 22 conversion kit. I have several 22s that I have not shot is several years simply to the lacks of 22s

I have plenty of .22 LR rounds to practice with. I had about 3/4 of a brick of federal and picked up to boxes of 550 round bulk pacts awhile back that I have not even opened yet. But good to know there is another option for practice rounds.

Kuyong_Chuin
January 27, 2014, 11:54 PM
Yes there is a gun that can.

The CZ 2075 RAMI fulfills every one of your criteria.

1. No problem
2. Ambi safety
3. Check
4. CZ Kadet .22lr conversion
5. Shouldn't be a problem
6. Size of a G26
7. It's better
8. Yes
9. No 10mm but it is offered in .40 S&W
10. Sometimes new for $550ish but can be found used for less than $500
Another one to check out Thanks.

TennJed
January 28, 2014, 12:02 AM
Yes there is a gun that can.

The CZ 2075 RAMI fulfills every one of your criteria.

1. No problem
2. Ambi safety
3. Check
4. CZ Kadet .22lr conversion
5. Shouldn't be a problem
6. Size of a G26
7. It's better
8. Yes
9. No 10mm but it is offered in .40 S&W
10. Sometimes new for $550ish but can be found used for less than $500
Is the Rami offered with an ambi safety? I had one (great gun BTW) and it was a right hand only.

Rusty Luck
January 28, 2014, 01:36 AM
Misread OP's needs

ArchAngelCD
January 28, 2014, 01:49 AM
That's quite a list, I honestly don't think you're going to get 100% of it in one gun.
IMO your carry bun should be just that, a carry gun. Some of the other stuff can be done with another gun as long as the carry is reliable and comfortable in your hand...

Kuyong_Chuin
January 28, 2014, 04:42 AM
IMO your carry bun should be just that, a carry gun. Some of the other stuff can be done with another gun as long as the carry is reliable and comfortable in your hand...
My Ruger is that and I love it. I carried P85 when I was a Peace Officer but it was not concealed so carrying the P94 is like 2nd nature on my belt on my left hip. Carried an issued 3rd Gen Glock 17 working armed security and never did like the thing. I think with the right holster I can carry my Ruger and just get something like the Ruger SR22 for practice. Guess the fanny pack is back on the table again.

ArchAngelCD
January 28, 2014, 05:31 AM
If you're a Ruger pistol fan what about their SR40c? (since you asked about a 40 S&W) It seems to cover everything you are asking for with the exception of the .22 conversion but that doesn't mean there isn't one. It has a list price of $529 which means it can be had for well under $500. It's not overly large or heavy so it should conceal well. Take a look at it over on the Ruger site.
http://ruger.com/products/sr40c/models.html

Armor Snail
January 28, 2014, 07:47 AM
Is the Rami offered with an ambi safety? I had one (great gun BTW) and it was a right hand only.

Oops. It was. But only the problematic RAMI P.
My mistake. Just thought about that myself when I woke up.

Mike J
January 28, 2014, 11:09 AM
I have a Ruger like yours P94 .40 caliber. It is a large bulky gun. Holsters can be a bit of a pain to find but I wound up with a Don Hume 721 OT. It rides high & tight OWB. Holsters can still be had but you might have to wait for one to be made.

The guns I was thinking of suggesting have pretty much been covered.

Kuyong_Chuin
January 28, 2014, 11:22 AM
If you're a Ruger pistol fan what about their SR40c? (since you asked about a 40 S&W) It seems to cover everything you are asking for with the exception of the .22 conversion but that doesn't mean there isn't one. It has a list price of $529 which means it can be had for well under $500. It's not overly large or heavy so it should conceal well. Take a look at it over on the Ruger site.
http://ruger.com/products/sr40c/models.html
I did look at it, but from what I can see it is striker fired and no manual safety. It is also less than 3/4 inch shorter than the P94. Only reason I mentioned the SR22 is the grip is the closest thing I could think of close to the P series center fires. I like other pistols besides Ruger but most are not what I consider a concealed carry weapon. Example: I like the full size 1911 and it could be converted to other calibers some with a simple barrel, link, pin, and bushing change in the case you have it in the 38 Super and buy the 7.62x25 kit for it. That particular pistol could be converted from 38 Super to 9mm and 22LR as well. I like the Beretta 92F as well but it too would be hard to hide. If it was not for that stupid turtle shell I would not have a problem with any full size auto as a carry pistol. When you are 6'6" and 275 lbs you have allot of room to hide things, at least during the winter. Plus having to ware this doesn't help. http://www.webb-hollow-photography.com/zenphoto/cache/Misc/100_0529_595.jpg

JohnBiltz
January 28, 2014, 04:58 PM
Consider my words. You are listing likes and wants for a service sized firearm. Fine, carrying is different. Look for a carry gun instead. If you are looking for a gun that has everything including a kitchen sink you will find yourself having to figure out how to conceal a kitchen sink.

tommy.duncan
January 28, 2014, 09:28 PM
What about the FN-FNX 40. I believe this will fit the majority of your criteria. I have the 9mm version and I carry it often.
Just my .02
Good luck

ArchAngelCD
January 28, 2014, 09:44 PM
I guess you didn't look at the "Features" tab at the top of the page I linked to. It clearly states it has a Ambi safety and mag release.
Look here: http://ruger.com/products/sr40c/features.html

Now I'm convinced you are looking for a gun that just doesn't exist.

Kuyong_Chuin
January 28, 2014, 10:07 PM
I guess you didn't look at the "Features" tab at the top of the page I linked to. It clearly states it has a Ambi safety and mag release.
Look here: http://ruger.com/products/sr40c/features.html

Now I'm convinced you are looking for a gun that just doesn't exist.
Missed that part and I know why. The entire features page is not showing up on my kindle fire. Must be flash based page or silk has a problem loading that page. My laptop's hard drive crashed and I have not replaced it yet and don't feel like taking 20 minutes to boot linux from a live cd right now.

If I can find a used one somewhere I think I am going with a PX4 Sub Compact if it fits my hand well if not move up to the compact model. It pretty much fits most of what I want. I'll just have to buy a 22 to practice with as well as I get the money. Till then I'll just use the PT1911 with the conversation kit on it.

Kuyong_Chuin
January 29, 2014, 07:42 AM
Personally I would not wast the money on a 22 conversion kit. I have several 22s that I have not shot is several years simply to the lacks of 22s. If you want an inexpensive practice round Speer used to make plastic projectiles. You load them is brass cases and they just use magnum primers.
I checked after you said this and they don't work in a 40 S&W.

savit260
January 29, 2014, 04:23 PM
I'd be investing my money in a top quality holster/belt set up instead of searching for a smaller gun.

Conventional wisdom seems to lean toward small gun for carry instead of quality gear to carry your gun. Small gun + generic multi-fit holster isn't likely to solve your problem.

Your Ruger isn't really a hard gun to conceal, and you'll have money left over.


Even if you spend $500 on a smaller gun, you'll still need a good quality carry rig or you're just spitting into the wind IMO.

A couple hundred bucks spent on a holster and belt would be money better spent in my opinion.

Kuyong_Chuin
January 30, 2014, 12:32 AM
I'd be investing my money in a top quality holster/belt set up instead of searching for a smaller gun.

Conventional wisdom seems to lean toward small gun for carry instead of quality gear to carry your gun. Small gun + generic multi-fit holster isn't likely to solve your problem.

Your Ruger isn't really a hard gun to conceal, and you'll have money left over.


Even if you spend $500 on a smaller gun, you'll still need a good quality carry rig or you're just spitting into the wind IMO.

A couple hundred bucks spent on a holster and belt would be money better spent in my opinion.
As long as I have to wear that turtle shell that I posted a photo of on post 19 the question of a holsters is a moot point. I have to use a fanny pack holster because of it. I wear a fanny pack now anyway to keep my phone, keys, pens and such in now because of that thing except if I am wearing cargo pants which I do wear every now and then. Have a gun show coming up Feb 8th and 9th in nearby Dickson Tennessee maybe I'll find something different to use that will work for a rig there. I know I can conceal my Ruger especially in a fanny pack but having a smaller weapon also gives me a backup that I can use when I am not in that thing like in the house or just going to the mail box.

Armor Snail
January 30, 2014, 04:31 PM
If that's the case I would keep on carrying your Ruger. Save some more cash and czech out a CZ Shadowline compact.
Aside from the price it will fulfill all your requirements. One heck of a good gun.

http://czcustom.com/cz75compactshadowlinesada.aspx

I would only want a tritium front post instead of the fiber optic though.

Kuyong_Chuin
January 31, 2014, 01:28 AM
If that's the case I would keep on carrying your Ruger. Save some more cash and czech out a CZ Shadowline compact.
Aside from the price it will fulfill all your requirements. One heck of a good gun.

http://czcustom.com/cz75compactshadowlinesada.aspx

I would only want a tritium front post instead of the fiber optic though.
Nice handgun but ouch!!! On the price. If I am going to spend that kind of money on a handgun it will not be a CCW. I'd get me a used 50 AE DE throw a good scope on it. Then rent me a bucket truck and park it and me in bear country to "test" it out. With all the proper permits and season off course.

Armor Snail
January 31, 2014, 10:55 AM
But you are getting a customized, action tuned, single hole ripper. A bargain really compared to some other custom jobs. Honestly at that price I would save even a few more bones for the addition of their accubushing and short reset trigger system.
Why not carry it? It'll shoot fast and smooth. Something that will help greatly under the stress of having to actually defend yourself.

Kuyong_Chuin
February 1, 2014, 04:42 AM
But you are getting a customized, action tuned, single hole ripper. A bargain really compared to some other custom jobs. Honestly at that price I would save even a few more bones for the addition of their accubushing and short reset trigger system.
Why not carry it? It'll shoot fast and smooth. Something that will help greatly under the stress of having to actually defend yourself.
I guess it is a moot point now. I'll have to just carry what I have and get me a fanny pack holster because just found out when I opened my mail from yesterday and went through the income tax estimator that I am going to have to pay right at 43% of my annual income in taxes this year thanks to Government rule changes to student grants. So I just got moved from the poor house to the dog house. Thanks Obama and Congress for ruining my life worse than it already was.

Nick5182
February 1, 2014, 05:31 AM
Man... So many people have brought this up. You need to find a CCW firearm that fits you. If you're good with the gun, find a way to carry it. I'm not trying to be rude, but I've seen this "I want this, but not that" it's getting old. My daily CCW is either a glock 21 or full size 1911. I carry either in a shoulder holster. Reason is, I can shoot my 1911's or G21 equally well, and much better than compact/ sub-compact applications, and I trust MY LIFE with either. It's all about what works for YOU. Yes, it's nice getting ideas from others, but you need to find which firearm fits YOU, and make a concealment option that fits your carry preference.

David E
February 1, 2014, 10:25 AM
You can't say you "looked" at a gun when all you did is view it on a computer.

The cheap nylon holster shown with the turtle shell is a major problem. Address that and you likely don't have the problem you think you do.

Never willingly use a holster that puts the thumb break strap across the backstrap of the gun. This interferes with a firing grip and could even cause you to drop the gun during a fast draw. The strap properly goes between the hammer and tang, leaving the entire rear grip open. That crap holster shown can be adjusted so the strap is properly placed, so you should address that right away....but it's still a crap holster.

Look at Milt Sparks or, possibly, Galco for a better option.

Since you like your Ruger, problem solved for much less money. Use the rest to buy ammo.

JTQ
February 1, 2014, 10:40 AM
Wouldn't a holster with a molle attachment work with that turtle shell?

Blade-Tech offer's a variety of options that I'd think would work. http://shop.blade-tech.com/index.php

Skribs
February 1, 2014, 11:31 AM
You're lucky you like DA/SA pistols. I like striker-fired pistols with no manual safety, and the ambidexterity in that community is smaller than Blackberry's share of the mobile market.

Kuyong_Chuin
February 2, 2014, 01:56 AM
You can't say you "looked" at a gun when all you did is view it on a computer.

The cheap nylon holster shown with the turtle shell is a major problem. Address that and you likely don't have the problem you think you do.

Never willingly use a holster that puts the thumb break strap across the backstrap of the gun. This interferes with a firing grip and could even cause you to drop the gun during a fast draw. The strap properly goes between the hammer and tang, leaving the entire rear grip open. That crap holster shown can be adjusted so the strap is properly placed, so you should address that right away....but it's still a crap holster.

Look at my Milt Sparks or, possibly, Galco for a better option.

Since you like your Ruger, problem solved for much less money. Use the rest to buy ammo.
I guess I should have said I looked at the specs of the gun. As for the holster that one the guy gave me for free when I bought my SW99 that I no longer own. The snap on the strap was missing so he gave it to me. I fixed the strap with Velcro so it holds it in the holster. But I'll be getting a new holster this month. With the money situation what it is now I have no choice but to carry my Ruger. Besides I like the gun, I can hit what I aim at with it and it is no bigger that some of the so called compacts I have seen. I can use it with ether hand and I have three mags for it. It is a little heavier than polymer framed gun but that doesn't bother me. A few extra lbs for the weight of the loaded gun and the two extra mags is nothing when you are 275 lbs.

Kuyong_Chuin
February 2, 2014, 02:31 AM
Wouldn't a holster with a molle attachment work with that turtle shell?

Blade-Tech offer's a variety of options that I'd think would work. http://shop.blade-tech.com/index.php
I have no idea. I do know that anything that is going to permanently alter that thing is out of the question. That thing is custom made to fit me and cost $3500.00 to have made and I can not afford to replace it if something happens to it and they see I modified it. Right now any adjustments or problems that come up with it the insurance pays for. If I alter it, it will come out of my pocket. Since it goes past my waistline and over my pants any holster that goes in the pants pocket or waistline is out unless I am wearing cargo pants and all the cargo pants I have are ether camo or black tactical type that I only wear when I am out hunting or shooting nature with my camera. I don't wear jackets except during cold weather so a shoulder rig is out too. That only leaves me with the fanny pack option and since I wear one anyway that is not a carry fanny pack changing over is no big deal. They will just think I got a new pack or I switched to a different one. I have three and I do change them up now and then.

Tomac
February 3, 2014, 02:25 AM
I'd take the PX4 Compact over the Subcompact. Size is very close but the Compact fits larger hands better, has an ambi slide release and the rotating bbl action that redirects recoil so there's more straight-back push and less muzzle rise (the Subcompact has a std Browning link action).
Downside to the Compact: It has a non-std front sight width so no aftermarket night sights will fit properly. However, Tool Tech will drill both front and rear factory sights and install Trijicon tritium vials for $185 plus shipping (I'm having that done to two PX4 Compact slides as I type this).
Tomac

David E
February 3, 2014, 09:24 AM
I'm not knocking your Ruger. It's a good, solid gun.

I'm knocking that crap holster you're carrying it in. I would've replaced the missing snap with a snap, not Velcro.

A good holster costs much less than a new gun and would solve your problem.

Strahley
February 3, 2014, 03:45 PM
I would change your requirements to focusing more on a few key features you want as a carry gun and go on from there. No single gun will be able to do everything, so why try to force it? Can't really play a round of golf with just a putter

SC Shooter
February 3, 2014, 04:48 PM
Not too sure this covers all your bases, but i just picked up a Saig P938 for a carry gun and really love it.

Kuyong_Chuin
February 4, 2014, 02:27 AM
I'm not knocking your Ruger. It's a good, solid gun.

I'm knocking that crap holster you're carrying it in. I would've replaced the missing snap with a snap, not Velcro.

A good holster costs much less than a new gun and would solve your problem.
That is what I decided to do, I am looking for one now. Like I said I got that one for free and I had not taken the handgun carry permit class yet so I didn't need to find a new one at the time. No one at the LGS has what I'm looking for. If they don't have something at the gun show Saturday I'll have to buy one from online. I would prefer to be able to see the thing in real life before ordering it.

JTQ
February 4, 2014, 08:00 AM
Kuyong_Chuin wrote,
No one at the LGS has what I'm looking for. If they don't have something at the gun show Saturday I'll have to buy one from online. I would prefer to be able to see the thing in real life before ordering it.
I've not seen any quality holsters at either my local gun store or at the local gun shows. Most of the really good holsters are only available online. However, I suppose if you are local to one of the top holster makers, you may find their stuff at the local show.

Hopefully, somebody will comment on the viability of using molle attachments with your "turtle shell". I've never used molle attachments, but those wrap around straps on the turtle shell, look like perfect places to mount a holster with molle loops.

Kuyong_Chuin
February 4, 2014, 09:49 AM
I've not seen any quality holsters at either my local gun store or at the local gun shows. Most of the really good holsters are only available online. However, I suppose if you are local to one of the top holster makers, you may find their stuff at the local show.

Hopefully, somebody will comment on the viability of using molle attachments with your "turtle shell". I've never used molle attachments, but those wrap around straps on the turtle shell, look like perfect places to mount a holster with molle loops.
Might come down to that. I thought about a holster under one of those straps to keep it from printing to much but thought because of how tight I have to have them I'd never get the gun out while it was tight.

JTQ
February 4, 2014, 10:17 AM
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The holster doesn't go under the straps of your turtle shell, just the straps of the holster, like that nylon holster you have.

Use a kydex holster, such as from Blade-Tech I linked earlier, and use the molle attachments to loop around those fabric straps you have on the shell. Certainly, you'd have to wear some sort of bulky type of cover garment to cover the bulge of the holstered gun, but you'd have a lot of options for placement with the shell you are wearing.

Notice molle system is very similar to the straps you already have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOLLE

They may lots of holsters that will attach to those type of straps. As a big guy already with hard stuff on your torso, I'd think adding another thing shouldn't be too hard to do.

JTQ
February 4, 2014, 11:01 AM
Another option that may work with the straps on your shell is an opposite hand IWB holster without a sweat shield. For instance, if you are a righty, get something like a Milt Sparks Summer Special (not Summer Special II), Galco Summer Comfort/Royal Guard, or a High Noon Hideaway (or similar) for a lefty. Run the holster straps through the straps on your shell, basically wearing the holster backwards.

Milt Sparks http://www.miltsparks.com

Galco http://www.galcogunleather.com/inside-the-waistband-tuckable-holsters_8_7.html

High Noon http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/Belt_Holsters/Inside_The_Waistband/inside_the_waistband.html

Kuyong_Chuin
February 4, 2014, 11:57 AM
Another option that may work with the straps on your shell is an opposite hand IWB holster without a sweat shield. For instance, if you are a righty, get something like a Milt Sparks Summer Special (not Summer Special II), Galco Summer Comfort/Royal Guard, or a High Noon Hideaway (or similar) for a lefty. Run the holster straps through the straps on your shell, basically wearing the holster backwards.

Milt Sparks http://www.miltsparks.com

Galco http://www.galcogunleather.com/inside-the-waistband-tuckable-holsters_8_7.html

High Noon http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/Belt_Holsters/Inside_The_Waistband/inside_the_waistband.html
I can shoot with ether hand but mostly shoot left handed. I am left eye dominate and have a bad astigmatism in the right eye that causes me some problems while shooting a handgun without ether closing my right eye or turning my head slightly so that my right eye is not effecting my sight picture. With a rifle I don't have that problem because of the longer sight radius. For me trying to shoot looking straight ahead with both eyes open I see two images. I understood the what you was saying. I was thinking under the straps to lessen the printing.

JTQ
February 4, 2014, 12:06 PM
OK, if you are left handed, then get a right handed IWB holster with no sweat shield and run the straps under the straps on your shell essentially wearing an IWB holster OWB.

Kuyong_Chuin
February 6, 2014, 11:25 AM
Okay since my original question is moot do to money issues now I need to alter my question and requirements. I'll be carrying my 40 till further notice. I thought someone would have an idea that might help. My Dad shoots right handed only and has several handguns that he carries. He has had a problem as of late that is going to force him to carry something other than what he normally carries. The cartilage in his right wrist has deteriorated to a point that it is about completely gone and causes him allot of pain to hold up any of the pistols he normally carries. Right now he has a S&W 5906, Barretta 92F, or the Colt Python in 357 Mag.

The weight and the recoil has gottened to much for him in his older years. So here is the plan his birthday is coming up and my Mom, myself, my brother, and sister are all pitching in to get him a new carry pistol. Problem is what one to get. He too has large hands so a larger grip is needed. It needs to be light weight and small enough to carry but light enough in recoil that it will not hurt his wrist as much as the 9mm and the 357 he carries. About the only time he carries the Colt is around the house when snakes is about and he has snake shot in it. He likes a gun that has a manual safety and a hammer and it will need to be a light recoiled handgun. I am thinking a 380 but since I have never shot a 380 I need your input on a good gun that fits the need. Still need to keep the cost as low as we can.

Armor Snail
February 6, 2014, 11:51 AM
CZ82.
Full grip, good capacity 12+1
Decent sights with upgrades available (any c75 sights. Mepro, trijicon)
The 9x18 Makarov is more powerful than 9x17(.380) and cheaper to shoot.
There are some good quality defense loads out there too.

The gun can be found under $300 in great shape too.

Kuyong_Chuin
February 7, 2014, 05:16 AM
CZ82.
Full grip, good capacity 12+1
Decent sights with upgrades available (any c75 sights. Mepro, trijicon)
The 9x18 Makarov is more powerful than 9x17(.380) and cheaper to shoot.
There are some good quality defense loads out there too.

The gun can be found under $300 in great shape too.
I have looked at some of the cz 82 & 83's at the LGS and liked them. I found out from my brother that my Dad is wanting to stick to the 9mm Luger round and it is the guns weight that mainly bothers his wrist on the 9mm. Anything with heavier recoil than that hurts him. He will not fire my 40 anymore because of the recoil. Maybe we can talk him into going to the gun show with us tomorrow. Granted there is no talking this 72 almost 73 year man into anything he doesn't want or feel like doing into.

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