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monotonous_iterancy
January 28, 2014, 08:32 PM
Today I watched a TV show that featured a 5.7mm PS-90. It seemed futuristic and cool, so I looked it up. They make a semi-auto clone.

Those who have fired it, what do you think of it?

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GBExpat
January 28, 2014, 08:56 PM
Use the Search function. Most of the good info is provided by Trent.

primalmu
January 28, 2014, 09:59 PM
The cost of ammo alone would keep me from ever owning one. That and I can't even imagine how much mags would cost.

benatilstate
January 28, 2014, 10:06 PM
I think they look awesome. Id jump at the chance to shoot one. But as previous poster pointed out, unless ammo becomes much cheaper and more available, or I obtain a level of wealth such that ammo cost is not a factor, I likely will never own one.

Fall Guy
January 28, 2014, 10:21 PM
I had one chance to put a couple mags full through one a couple years ago. It was pretty unusual to operate, but it put a huge grin on my face. For real world use an MP5 is far more practical, but not as memorable.

Fall Guy
January 28, 2014, 10:28 PM
I should add that my impression was that it didn't seem very high quality in terms of fit, finish, and feel. It did function full-auto though for probably close to 1000 rounds that I saw go through it.

barnbwt
January 28, 2014, 10:48 PM
It's on my short list. Probably right after the UK59 parts kit (that's right, the PS90 costs about as much as a chopped up medium belt-fed machinegun :D).

In the meantime, I have a 50round P90 magazine and an H&K MP7 Airsoft shell giving me some very, very cool ideas. Locked-breech gas-op semi-auto 5.7x28 possibilities, based upon a very scaled-down Madsen M1950 LMG :evil:

~16" collapsed, ~26" extended, btw, and the Madsen action only reaches as far behind the breech as the overall length of a cartridge (~1.5" with the 5.7)

But the FNH product is far more viable for me in the near term ;). Also, it would appear that 5.7x28 ammo is declining a bit in price, of late. It had been consistently priced (not selling, though) above .60$/rnd, and now I'm seeing listed more frequently in the .50's again :cool:

TCB

splithoof
January 28, 2014, 11:14 PM
I used one for a weekend rifle event and was elated that somebody else was providing the ammo. It would be viable if someone offers steel cased or other cheaper ammunition, but until then it's just another exotic safe queen. I predict that it will go the way of .41 Action Express, and all those other never-has-beens.

PabloJ
January 28, 2014, 11:17 PM
It's typical semi-auto version of modern military clunker full of plastic and stamped parts.
Since no army of consequence uses this caliber inexpensive ammo will NEVER be available.
The only solidly made modern one was in model I used to own. It was made in South Korea by large conglomerate that also makes cars, industrial equipment,...... It is called K2. The rest out there a clunkers.

Trent
January 29, 2014, 12:15 AM
I'm kind of stumped by the posts about cost of ammo being exorbitant. .60 cents a round for premium ammunition is not "exorbitant" or "excessive".

For range report, I shot it in a High Power sporting rifle event last year (200 yard range), and not only won the match overall (against national match AR-15's), but I did it twice in a row. In t-shirt, flip flops, and shorts, with the factory optics and no spotting scope. Up against seasoned guys with Creedmore shooting coats, loop slings, and spotting scopes.

So for those of you nay-sayers out there - bring your best, I'll show you how it's done with this little pea shooter. There's not a single firearm in my safe that is as stable as this gun standing, kneeling, or sitting, and only my F-Class gun on a bipod is more stable while prone. The ergonomics are just THAT GOOD.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=724032&highlight=ps90

gym
January 29, 2014, 12:20 AM
Slick guns has the 5.7 on sale

chris in va
January 29, 2014, 12:22 AM
Since no army of consequence uses this caliber inexpensive ammo will NEVER be available.

It's my understanding the Secret Service employes the select fire version.

PabloJ
January 29, 2014, 12:47 AM
It's my understanding the Secret Service employes the select fire version.
From practical standpoint I would say the fact that secret service uses them is irrelevant.

GBExpat
January 29, 2014, 07:00 AM
I'm kind of stumped by the posts about cost of ammo being exorbitant. .60 cents a round for premium ammunition is not "exorbitant" or "excessive".
Trent, to many of us ~60/round, especially for one so small that qty of materials is much less of a factor, is decidedly "exorbitant" & "excessive".

In the case of 5.7x28, if it were easily (and safely) reloadable, 60/round would not be considered to be quite so high a price.

chicharrones
January 29, 2014, 08:37 AM
I have a regular shootin' buddy that owns the semi-auto version. I have only had one range session with it.

It is a pretty dang nice bull pup with what seems like an endless magazine of ammo stuffed on top. Firing it at 25 yards was easy breezy. Recoil tried to whip the barrel to the right instead of up. The gun is definitely built to shoot while squared to the target, as it controls that sideways recoil.

I think the PS90S makes for a fine home defense gun on its ease of maneuverability, light recoil, and 50 round magazine. The only downside is getting ammo.

USAF_Vet
January 29, 2014, 09:15 AM
Neat design, but I'd rather have the FS2000 if I'm going for a 21st century design.

aarondhgraham
January 29, 2014, 09:44 AM
I rented one on my birthday (http://www.hhshootingsports.com/gun_range/ClassIII.htm),,,
It was an absolute blast. :D

I first saw them on the Stargate: Atlantis television show,,,
In one of the special features their armorer said that,,,
They're great for TV because they eject downwards.

I think the semi-auto version might be the perfect home defense gun,,,
The 50 round magazine gives you tons of firepower,,,
It's small, lightweight, and dependable.

For those who just like the looks of the gun,,,
High Tower Armory makes a P90 style stock for a Ruger 10/22 (http://www.hightowerarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTA9022BLK),,,
This might be the onething that would get me to pick up a 10/22 someday.

It's not that ammo costs so much,,,
It's that it ain't easy to find in retail stores,,,
And the rifle is so much fun you go through a lot very quickly.

Aarond

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12Bravo20
January 29, 2014, 10:08 AM
While I don't own a PS90, I do have an AR57 upper. Ammo around me goes in spurts, when I can find it locally (about every 3 months), it's cheaper and easier to find than .22lr. The recoil of the 57 upper is the same as my .22 upper (no recoil)

Trent
January 29, 2014, 10:24 AM
Trent, to many of us ~60/round, especially for one so small that qty of materials is much less of a factor, is decidedly "exorbitant" & "excessive".

In the case of 5.7x28, if it were easily (and safely) reloadable, 60/round would not be considered to be quite so high a price.

Well, I have yet to blow up a rifle. :)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=739404

There's published data out there, and the process isn't all that difficult. The only thing I had to change from loading other ammo is instead of tumbling for hours, I soak the cases in a simple green / water solution for 10 minutes, rinse with water, then leave out to dry overnight.

The scariest part about the whole thing was getting past all of the Internet foreboding about blowing up guns.

For what it's worth, I started out by going off the reservation and using an undocumented shotgun powder, too. And I still didn't manage to blow up my rifle.. :)

Trent
January 29, 2014, 10:27 AM
Neat design, but I'd rather have the FS2000 if I'm going for a 21st century design.

I also own an FS2000, and they're light and quick, too. I haven't really put that one through it's paces, accuracy wise, though. Maybe I will sometime this year.

GBExpat
January 29, 2014, 11:10 AM
There's published data out there, and the process isn't all that difficult.

More "difficulty" than many of us are willing to accept, I bet.

BTW, from the the start I followed your Trent's Adventures in Reloading 5.7x28 thread with both great interest & pleasure ... we've been awaiting the next chapter for weeks (hint, hint ;))

One problem with reloading 5,7x28 ... from what I have been reading it is a HOOT to shoot, so one would, naturally, be going thru a PILE of the stuff. :)

splithoof
January 29, 2014, 01:01 PM
Like I said above, I got to use one in an event and really liked it, and did very well. But like most others have said, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE AMMUNITION, AND THE GENERAL LACK THEREOF IN COMMON CHANNELS COMPARED TO OTHER CALIBERS. Now that I perused my normal ammo sources (about six large internet retailers), only Cheaper Than Dirt had it, and pleasant to say, the price was about similar to what a box of .45ACP ball costs. So, if you like it, stock up deep. If more firearms makers would build guns for it great. But I think it will slowly decline to the status of "curious-oddity-footnote".

Trent
January 29, 2014, 01:09 PM
More "difficulty" than many of us are willing to accept, I bet.

BTW, from the the start I followed your Trent's Adventures in Reloading 5.7x28 thread with both great interest & pleasure ... we've been awaiting the next chapter for weeks (hint, hint ;))

One problem with reloading 5,7x28 ... from what I have been reading it is a HOOT to shoot, so one would, naturally, be going thru a PILE of the stuff. :)

I still need to get my chronograph fixed. It was adverse to taking a 40 grain V-Max bullet center mass. :eek:

I've been busy teaching NRA Basic Pistol, and Illinois concealed carry classes, on top of my normal workload in my day job.

I also now have our rifle match sanctioned by the NRA, for NRA High Power, NRA High Power Long Range, and NRA Smallbore. Our first sanctioned match is next Sunday, and as the match director and official, my free time has been spent getting things ready for it. (Should be easier on me once we get rolling, but this first one will be "interesting"!!!)

Anyway the saga will continue, I promise, just delayed for the moment. :)

NapalmMan67
January 29, 2014, 02:05 PM
My friend has one. Neat little thing, kind of short LOP for me- I felt cramped shooting it. Accurate as hell though.

Con for me- all the friggin hot brass bounced off my belly and toes because they eject casings down, not to the side. YMMV.


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Trent
January 29, 2014, 02:22 PM
My friend has one. Neat little thing, kind of short LOP for me- I felt cramped shooting it. Accurate as hell though.

Con for me- all the friggin hot brass bounced off my belly and toes because they eject casings down, not to the side. YMMV.


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There's a small clip-on bag accessory that sits below the ejection port that solves that, and has the side-advantage of not having to dig around for small shell casings in the weeds. The receiver of the PS90 has recesses designed specifically for using this bag.

Giterboosted
January 29, 2014, 05:34 PM
I own one and love it, the ps90 is actually the semi version of the p90, sorry if someone already said it. Ammo really isn't too bad, I usually pay around 30-37$ per box of 50, which I feel like is about the same as shooting high quality .45 at the range, it's beyond fun, and quite practical for a slim tucked away car or truck gun

Peter M. Eick
February 8, 2014, 12:07 PM
My shooting buddy has a couple and buys ammo by the case. Lots of fun, and a very enjoyable gun to blast with.

One thing the ps90 convinced me is I cant during shooting. My buddy was having issues getting on paper at 100 yrds (new red dot sight) so I dialed it right in. He took over and was 3" low and 2" right. We could not figure it out since I took it back and it was right on for me. Finally he noticed my slight cant and I shoot that way and never realized it. Now I work to avoid the problem. I fully credit the PS90 for teaching me that.

What a fun gun to shoot still!

InkEd
February 8, 2014, 12:31 PM
They are pretty neat and could see them fitting very specific roles. Practically speaking, I would never own one though. As others have mentioned, somekind of traditional smg would be more practical to own. If you are just into owning something "kinda cool&different" maybe look at a Tavor.

32_d3gr33s
February 8, 2014, 02:02 PM
For those who just like the looks of the gun,,,
High Tower Armory makes a P90 style stock for a Ruger 10/22 (http://www.hightowerarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTA9022BLK),,,
This might be the onething that would get me to pick up a 10/22 someday.

Aarond

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This is my 90/22. I love shooting this thing and the kids have a blast shooting it too...

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/farfegnewgen/CE20A982-6C5B-4431-ADFC-C5720EE71508_zpsgqpiayh2.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/farfegnewgen/media/CE20A982-6C5B-4431-ADFC-C5720EE71508_zpsgqpiayh2.jpg.html)

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/farfegnewgen/7200F478-42BC-4864-8EB4-D681B22D360C_zps7rducvmx.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/farfegnewgen/media/7200F478-42BC-4864-8EB4-D681B22D360C_zps7rducvmx.jpg.html)

Trent
February 8, 2014, 02:07 PM
Thanks for posting pics of that, never seen a close of up one before.

Props to the maker for attention to detail. From 5 feet away I wouldn't be able to tell them apart from the real ones. :)

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