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monotonous_iterancy
January 28, 2014, 08:32 PM
Today I watched a TV show that featured a 5.7mm PS-90. It seemed futuristic and cool, so I looked it up. They make a semi-auto clone.

Those who have fired it, what do you think of it?

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GBExpat
January 28, 2014, 08:56 PM
Use the Search function. Most of the good info is provided by Trent.

primalmu
January 28, 2014, 09:59 PM
The cost of ammo alone would keep me from ever owning one. That and I can't even imagine how much mags would cost.

cat_IT_guy
January 28, 2014, 10:06 PM
I think they look awesome. Id jump at the chance to shoot one. But as previous poster pointed out, unless ammo becomes much cheaper and more available, or I obtain a level of wealth such that ammo cost is not a factor, I likely will never own one.

Fall Guy
January 28, 2014, 10:21 PM
I had one chance to put a couple mags full through one a couple years ago. It was pretty unusual to operate, but it put a huge grin on my face. For real world use an MP5 is far more practical, but not as memorable.

Fall Guy
January 28, 2014, 10:28 PM
I should add that my impression was that it didn't seem very high quality in terms of fit, finish, and feel. It did function full-auto though for probably close to 1000 rounds that I saw go through it.

barnbwt
January 28, 2014, 10:48 PM
It's on my short list. Probably right after the UK59 parts kit (that's right, the PS90 costs about as much as a chopped up medium belt-fed machinegun :D).

In the meantime, I have a 50round P90 magazine and an H&K MP7 Airsoft shell giving me some very, very cool ideas. Locked-breech gas-op semi-auto 5.7x28 possibilities, based upon a very scaled-down Madsen M1950 LMG :evil:

~16" collapsed, ~26" extended, btw, and the Madsen action only reaches as far behind the breech as the overall length of a cartridge (~1.5" with the 5.7)

But the FNH product is far more viable for me in the near term ;). Also, it would appear that 5.7x28 ammo is declining a bit in price, of late. It had been consistently priced (not selling, though) above .60$/rnd, and now I'm seeing listed more frequently in the .50's again :cool:

TCB

splithoof
January 28, 2014, 11:14 PM
I used one for a weekend rifle event and was elated that somebody else was providing the ammo. It would be viable if someone offers steel cased or other cheaper ammunition, but until then it's just another exotic safe queen. I predict that it will go the way of .41 Action Express, and all those other never-has-beens.

PabloJ
January 28, 2014, 11:17 PM
It's typical semi-auto version of modern military clunker full of plastic and stamped parts.
Since no army of consequence uses this caliber inexpensive ammo will NEVER be available.
The only solidly made modern one was in model I used to own. It was made in South Korea by large conglomerate that also makes cars, industrial equipment,...... It is called K2. The rest out there a clunkers.

Trent
January 29, 2014, 12:15 AM
I'm kind of stumped by the posts about cost of ammo being exorbitant. .60 cents a round for premium ammunition is not "exorbitant" or "excessive".

For range report, I shot it in a High Power sporting rifle event last year (200 yard range), and not only won the match overall (against national match AR-15's), but I did it twice in a row. In t-shirt, flip flops, and shorts, with the factory optics and no spotting scope. Up against seasoned guys with Creedmore shooting coats, loop slings, and spotting scopes.

So for those of you nay-sayers out there - bring your best, I'll show you how it's done with this little pea shooter. There's not a single firearm in my safe that is as stable as this gun standing, kneeling, or sitting, and only my F-Class gun on a bipod is more stable while prone. The ergonomics are just THAT GOOD.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=724032&highlight=ps90

gym
January 29, 2014, 12:20 AM
Slick guns has the 5.7 on sale

chris in va
January 29, 2014, 12:22 AM
Since no army of consequence uses this caliber inexpensive ammo will NEVER be available.

It's my understanding the Secret Service employes the select fire version.

PabloJ
January 29, 2014, 12:47 AM
It's my understanding the Secret Service employes the select fire version.
From practical standpoint I would say the fact that secret service uses them is irrelevant.

GBExpat
January 29, 2014, 07:00 AM
I'm kind of stumped by the posts about cost of ammo being exorbitant. .60 cents a round for premium ammunition is not "exorbitant" or "excessive".
Trent, to many of us ~60/round, especially for one so small that qty of materials is much less of a factor, is decidedly "exorbitant" & "excessive".

In the case of 5.7x28, if it were easily (and safely) reloadable, 60/round would not be considered to be quite so high a price.

chicharrones
January 29, 2014, 08:37 AM
I have a regular shootin' buddy that owns the semi-auto version. I have only had one range session with it.

It is a pretty dang nice bull pup with what seems like an endless magazine of ammo stuffed on top. Firing it at 25 yards was easy breezy. Recoil tried to whip the barrel to the right instead of up. The gun is definitely built to shoot while squared to the target, as it controls that sideways recoil.

I think the PS90S makes for a fine home defense gun on its ease of maneuverability, light recoil, and 50 round magazine. The only downside is getting ammo.

USAF_Vet
January 29, 2014, 09:15 AM
Neat design, but I'd rather have the FS2000 if I'm going for a 21st century design.

aarondhgraham
January 29, 2014, 09:44 AM
I rented one on my birthday (http://www.hhshootingsports.com/gun_range/ClassIII.htm),,,
It was an absolute blast. :D

I first saw them on the Stargate: Atlantis television show,,,
In one of the special features their armorer said that,,,
They're great for TV because they eject downwards.

I think the semi-auto version might be the perfect home defense gun,,,
The 50 round magazine gives you tons of firepower,,,
It's small, lightweight, and dependable.

For those who just like the looks of the gun,,,
High Tower Armory makes a P90 style stock for a Ruger 10/22 (http://www.hightowerarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTA9022BLK),,,
This might be the onething that would get me to pick up a 10/22 someday.

It's not that ammo costs so much,,,
It's that it ain't easy to find in retail stores,,,
And the rifle is so much fun you go through a lot very quickly.

Aarond

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12Bravo20
January 29, 2014, 10:08 AM
While I don't own a PS90, I do have an AR57 upper. Ammo around me goes in spurts, when I can find it locally (about every 3 months), it's cheaper and easier to find than .22lr. The recoil of the 57 upper is the same as my .22 upper (no recoil)

Trent
January 29, 2014, 10:24 AM
Trent, to many of us ~60/round, especially for one so small that qty of materials is much less of a factor, is decidedly "exorbitant" & "excessive".

In the case of 5.7x28, if it were easily (and safely) reloadable, 60/round would not be considered to be quite so high a price.

Well, I have yet to blow up a rifle. :)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=739404

There's published data out there, and the process isn't all that difficult. The only thing I had to change from loading other ammo is instead of tumbling for hours, I soak the cases in a simple green / water solution for 10 minutes, rinse with water, then leave out to dry overnight.

The scariest part about the whole thing was getting past all of the Internet foreboding about blowing up guns.

For what it's worth, I started out by going off the reservation and using an undocumented shotgun powder, too. And I still didn't manage to blow up my rifle.. :)

Trent
January 29, 2014, 10:27 AM
Neat design, but I'd rather have the FS2000 if I'm going for a 21st century design.

I also own an FS2000, and they're light and quick, too. I haven't really put that one through it's paces, accuracy wise, though. Maybe I will sometime this year.

GBExpat
January 29, 2014, 11:10 AM
There's published data out there, and the process isn't all that difficult.

More "difficulty" than many of us are willing to accept, I bet.

BTW, from the the start I followed your Trent's Adventures in Reloading 5.7x28 thread with both great interest & pleasure ... we've been awaiting the next chapter for weeks (hint, hint ;))

One problem with reloading 5,7x28 ... from what I have been reading it is a HOOT to shoot, so one would, naturally, be going thru a PILE of the stuff. :)

splithoof
January 29, 2014, 01:01 PM
Like I said above, I got to use one in an event and really liked it, and did very well. But like most others have said, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE AMMUNITION, AND THE GENERAL LACK THEREOF IN COMMON CHANNELS COMPARED TO OTHER CALIBERS. Now that I perused my normal ammo sources (about six large internet retailers), only Cheaper Than Dirt had it, and pleasant to say, the price was about similar to what a box of .45ACP ball costs. So, if you like it, stock up deep. If more firearms makers would build guns for it great. But I think it will slowly decline to the status of "curious-oddity-footnote".

Trent
January 29, 2014, 01:09 PM
More "difficulty" than many of us are willing to accept, I bet.

BTW, from the the start I followed your Trent's Adventures in Reloading 5.7x28 thread with both great interest & pleasure ... we've been awaiting the next chapter for weeks (hint, hint ;))

One problem with reloading 5,7x28 ... from what I have been reading it is a HOOT to shoot, so one would, naturally, be going thru a PILE of the stuff. :)

I still need to get my chronograph fixed. It was adverse to taking a 40 grain V-Max bullet center mass. :eek:

I've been busy teaching NRA Basic Pistol, and Illinois concealed carry classes, on top of my normal workload in my day job.

I also now have our rifle match sanctioned by the NRA, for NRA High Power, NRA High Power Long Range, and NRA Smallbore. Our first sanctioned match is next Sunday, and as the match director and official, my free time has been spent getting things ready for it. (Should be easier on me once we get rolling, but this first one will be "interesting"!!!)

Anyway the saga will continue, I promise, just delayed for the moment. :)

NapalmMan67
January 29, 2014, 02:05 PM
My friend has one. Neat little thing, kind of short LOP for me- I felt cramped shooting it. Accurate as hell though.

Con for me- all the friggin hot brass bounced off my belly and toes because they eject casings down, not to the side. YMMV.


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Trent
January 29, 2014, 02:22 PM
My friend has one. Neat little thing, kind of short LOP for me- I felt cramped shooting it. Accurate as hell though.

Con for me- all the friggin hot brass bounced off my belly and toes because they eject casings down, not to the side. YMMV.


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There's a small clip-on bag accessory that sits below the ejection port that solves that, and has the side-advantage of not having to dig around for small shell casings in the weeds. The receiver of the PS90 has recesses designed specifically for using this bag.

Giterboosted
January 29, 2014, 05:34 PM
I own one and love it, the ps90 is actually the semi version of the p90, sorry if someone already said it. Ammo really isn't too bad, I usually pay around 30-37$ per box of 50, which I feel like is about the same as shooting high quality .45 at the range, it's beyond fun, and quite practical for a slim tucked away car or truck gun

Peter M. Eick
February 8, 2014, 12:07 PM
My shooting buddy has a couple and buys ammo by the case. Lots of fun, and a very enjoyable gun to blast with.

One thing the ps90 convinced me is I cant during shooting. My buddy was having issues getting on paper at 100 yrds (new red dot sight) so I dialed it right in. He took over and was 3" low and 2" right. We could not figure it out since I took it back and it was right on for me. Finally he noticed my slight cant and I shoot that way and never realized it. Now I work to avoid the problem. I fully credit the PS90 for teaching me that.

What a fun gun to shoot still!

InkEd
February 8, 2014, 12:31 PM
They are pretty neat and could see them fitting very specific roles. Practically speaking, I would never own one though. As others have mentioned, somekind of traditional smg would be more practical to own. If you are just into owning something "kinda cool&different" maybe look at a Tavor.

32_d3gr33s
February 8, 2014, 02:02 PM
For those who just like the looks of the gun,,,
High Tower Armory makes a P90 style stock for a Ruger 10/22 (http://www.hightowerarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTA9022BLK),,,
This might be the onething that would get me to pick up a 10/22 someday.

Aarond

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This is my 90/22. I love shooting this thing and the kids have a blast shooting it too...

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/farfegnewgen/CE20A982-6C5B-4431-ADFC-C5720EE71508_zpsgqpiayh2.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/farfegnewgen/media/CE20A982-6C5B-4431-ADFC-C5720EE71508_zpsgqpiayh2.jpg.html)

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/farfegnewgen/7200F478-42BC-4864-8EB4-D681B22D360C_zps7rducvmx.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/farfegnewgen/media/7200F478-42BC-4864-8EB4-D681B22D360C_zps7rducvmx.jpg.html)

Trent
February 8, 2014, 02:07 PM
Thanks for posting pics of that, never seen a close of up one before.

Props to the maker for attention to detail. From 5 feet away I wouldn't be able to tell them apart from the real ones. :)

george burns
June 12, 2014, 04:59 PM
$850 on slickguns this week, now the mini Draco with the Sig brace and without is up for 5 and change

wally
June 12, 2014, 05:01 PM
That and I can't even imagine how much mags would cost.

Fluctuate wildly with the political climate because of the 50 round capacity but currently cheap and plentiful ~$17:

http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/FNH_Magazine_for_FNH_PS_90_5_7x28mm_Black_50_Round_p/fnh-3810110093.htm

If you have any thoughts about ever buying one, grab some magazines now!


Props to the maker for attention to detail. From 5 feet away I wouldn't be able to tell them apart from the real ones.
Until you stick in a 50-round banana magazine :)

It's not that ammo costs so much,,,
It's that it ain't easy to find in retail stores,,,
And the rifle is so much fun you go through a lot very quickly.


You should see a pair of them shooting a dueling tree setup, serious fun but talk about burning money. Only thing that saves us is the mags are pretty slow to reload, but still if we bring out four pre-loaded mags each $200+ in ammo is up in smoke in no time at all! But its worth it! :)

barnbwt
June 12, 2014, 07:16 PM
George, that's an LEO price ;). Much like H&K, .gov sales are given preferential treatment over civilians, even though we made FNH and broke H&K with our purchases. Not sure why an LEO with access to P90's would ever want a PS90. I suppose so they could recoup more cost after it's service by not demilling it?

TCB

Corn-Picker
June 12, 2014, 08:28 PM
I prefer standard calibers, the five firearms I own are chambered in 22 LR, 223, 308, 30-06, and 12 gauge. That being said, I'm thinking of buying a ps90. I think it's the ultimate HD weapon; there's just nothing else that offers the ammo capacity, maneurvability, light weight, reliability, and low recoil/flash/noise for a HD weapon that would be shared with my wife.

RuggedAK
June 13, 2014, 11:01 PM
The cost of ammo alone would keep me from ever owning one. That and I can't even imagine how much mags would cost.
The mags really aren't that expensive. I have seen them go for $30 shipped for FN factory new ones. They may not be as cheap as AR mags but overall it is not terrible.

barnbwt
June 13, 2014, 11:42 PM
For sure cheaper than the five-seven mags, for some reason. And there's no 10$ Korean knock-off for those, either (that might be the real reason the PS90 mags are such a low price for FNH products).

Meanwhile, my FNAR mags are still like 80$ these days (good thing I stocked up; quite the nice return on investment, actually, and the mags themselves are awesome, too)

TCB

Shipwreck
June 14, 2014, 10:32 AM
I have owned 2 over the years - my first one was bought inb 2006 shortly after they came out.

The height of their popularity has passed, unfortunately. I once was admin of the Fn Forum, and there were some really cool accessories for them a few years ago. There still are some, but some have gone away. Also, some of the variants are no longer available.

EVerytime I get a duplicate of a gun, I end up selling one. I sold my first one a couple of years ago. With the higher Eotech and bulkiness of an aftermarket sight, it sorta took away from the point of the gun - a small, streamlined package.

I kept my 2nd one with the factory sight until last month. The smaller glass just was bugging me. I like the larger field of view on my Mepro 21 optics I have on other guns.

I also had a few thousand rounds of ammo stashed - but local supplies dried up for 2 years until just the past couple of months. I never shot the gun, because I never wanted to touch my stash.

I finally just decided to sell the gun, all accessories and all my ammo last month - and, I got another 5.56 to share ammo and mags with my SCAR 16. If I had unlimited money, I may have kept it - I really thought about it for quite some time.

But, I have a CX4 in 9mm. The PS90 was a bit more accurate - but the CX4 is about the same size. So, I let the PS90 go...

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/2xPS90-5_zps73fcb119.jpg~original

wally
June 14, 2014, 06:33 PM
The mags really aren't that expensive. I have seen them go for $30 shipped for FN factory new ones.

The link I posted for $17 PS90 mags are for FN 50 round factory mags. Stock up while you can if you have any interest in ever owning one.


And there's no 10$ Korean knock-off for those, either (that might be the real reason the PS90 mags are such a low price for FNH products). Actually the real problem with the Korean PS90 mags are the springs.

My friend broke one of his FN mags, CDNN had a deal, buy an FN PS90 mag and get a free Korean PS90 mag. Told him to buy a replacement and put the spring from the broken FN mag into the Korean mag -- worked a treat.

Shipwreck
June 14, 2014, 07:09 PM
The only good thing about the asian PS90 mags. Take them apart - use the end plate from it to convert your factory 30 rounder to 50 rounds. Chunk the rest of it.

Ps90 mags used to be close to $50 each. They are much, much cheaper now.

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