Help Me Decide!!!!!!


ken grant
March 31, 2004, 03:12 PM
A Ruger 22/45 or a kit for a 1911?

If a conversion kit,which one? Anyone used the Ciener? Is it reliable?

Will a Ciener fixed sight kit shoot to point of aim?


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March 31, 2004, 03:35 PM
I have a Ciener kit for the Commander/Officer's model I got about six years ago. It has been reliable. How much accuracy you get depends on the ammo and which frame you have it bolted onto. My kit does great with federal ammo on my Officer's frame, but another Officer frame and the Commander frame I originally got it for was not as accurate. The sights are fairly well regulated, but again, depends on ammo you are shooting.
The Ruger 22/45, however, is generally more my experience. Though the controls and feel are very similar to the 1911, they are not exact. Milady and I are shopping for a 22/45 just the same(more for her plinking pleasure, but I get to use it too).
The conversion unit is cool, if you have more than one 1911 to try it on(that way you can always have a .45 handy), or if you are in a gun-phobic location where everything has to be registered. Then I would get the Ciener Platinum series at minimum and maybe go for the Marvel unit...which is a bit more cash.
The units are get training helps you get used to your controls, trigger, and ergonomic set up on your 1911. Though, I always end my plinking sessions with a box of .45 acp, just to remind myself that it goes 'boom, boom' not 'plink,plink'.
I think, if I was doing it over right now, for plinking and general fun....I'd get the Ruger(with the stainless'skinny' barrel eather than the various lengths of bull barrel) I could use it as a dedicated field gun. And Have a second gun to teach others the joy of shooting, while not depriving myself of the joy of lobbing 230grainers in another lane!
If I was gonna get real serious about accuracy...I'd get a Marvel unit rather than the bull barreled Ruger(does not balance right in my hand with light frame and long tube out front).
So it is a split with me, depending n what you feel you need. My Ciener has given me hours of fun, cheaply, paid for itself quite fast, and help me teach a half a dozen people about shooting.
Either will be fun!

March 31, 2004, 04:29 PM
Tough call ya need to feel 22/45 espically if your thinking ofr a bull barreled one the feel to it made me buy a mark II instead granted its not same grip as my 45's but still has helped improve my shooting none the less

March 31, 2004, 04:54 PM
It's not an answer to the question you asked, but.... Think Sig Trailside - less than $350 for the Standard model, and I've yet to hear of one delivering more than an honest 3/4" group @ 25 yards.

March 31, 2004, 06:28 PM
Sounds like you want to train with .22 while keeping familiarity with your carry piece. If this is the case, get a conversion. Kimber's new one has received good reviews, but I haven't personally used it.

If you just want a .22 auto though, the Ruger is among the best.

March 31, 2004, 06:53 PM
Sorry - CZ75 with Kadet kit.....great pistol.

March 31, 2004, 07:04 PM
Just bite the bullet and get a Marvel conversion unit. You are unlikely to ever be able to shoot up to its accuracy and it works on every 1911 I tried it on including the widebodies like the Para 14/45.

There are very few dedicated 22 pistols that are as consistantly accurate as the Marvel and fewer yet that are as accurate out of the box. I'm sure you've thought about all of this but to me, the biggest advantage of a quality conversion unit vs a dedicated pistol is that if you get a trigger job on your 1911, your 22 has it also... If you get a different grip safety or thumb safety, your 22 automatically has one as well. And the biggie is you can practice drawing and firing from concealment with the holster you actually carry in... That alone would make the decision for me.

April 1, 2004, 10:25 AM

I have both the fixed sight Ciener top end and a Ruger 22/45. The Ciener rear sight can be pushed for windage adjustments (mine needed it). The Ciener needs to be kept extra clean to function reliably.

22/45 doesn't much care. It just keeps on running.

Both are about equal in accuracy.

If I could only choose one, it would be the 22/45, but mostly because it would mean getting another gun. Always a good thing...


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