Taylor's Uberti engraved 45 LC 5.5 white Colt


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sigsmoker
February 2, 2014, 01:49 PM
I haven't been on here for awhile but I wanted to show off my newest handgun. It is not stainless steel like I have seen falsely advertised. It is specially heated steel and the engraved models are factory tuned to a degree. My only issue is that the hammers on these clones all seem to get a scratch on them from hitting the sides when the trigger is pulled. Maybe this is common on a lot of SAA clones and maybe even on the "Real" Colts it occurred.
It doesn't show until the hammer is back so it isn't an eyesore.
I have not shot this yet. I bought it to compliment my other Uberti 1873 Sporting Rifle just because, well, just because. I am such a kid. I won't be dressing up like a cowboy tho. ( Not outside of the house anyways. LOL )

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DPris
February 2, 2014, 01:52 PM
Looks quite nice, but please don't refer to it as a Colt Peacemaker.
It isn't.
Denis

It also isn't a Colt. :)

sigsmoker
February 2, 2014, 01:57 PM
edited title. Thank you.

DPris
February 2, 2014, 02:07 PM
Laser engraving?
What are they saying the finish is, just left in the white?
If so, it'll rust eventually, somewhere.
Denis

DPris
February 2, 2014, 03:34 PM
Sig,
It does look nice, I'm just curious about their approach.
Denis

DPris
February 2, 2014, 03:44 PM
Looked it up, it's a laser-engraved Cattleman. Looks like a better job in your photo than I'd expect from a laser process.
No real info on the steel, their "white heat-treated steel" description means nothing.
They're all heat-treated steel. :)

Be nice if Taylor's had more info on it.

The hammer rub you mention is common on many single-actions.
My Colts don't have it, but my Rugers do.
Denis

RPRNY
February 2, 2014, 03:58 PM
Don't know anything about the steel but that's a very nice looking not Colt SAA! ;-)

35 Whelen
February 2, 2014, 06:24 PM
Nice looking pistol. You could accurately describe it as a "Colt Peacemaker Reproduction". If you're concerned about the hammer getting scratched, just disassemble the pistol and very lightly knock the edge off the sides of the hammer raceway with something like 400 or 600 wet/dry sandpaper wrapped around a popsicle stick or something similar.

Laser engraving?
What are they saying the finish is, just left in the white?
If so, it'll rust eventually, somewhere.
Denis

All chrome moly steel will rust eventually...even that which has been blued.

I don't know why folks think unfinished metal on firearms rusts instantly because it doesn't. Most don't realize that bores and chambers don't have any kind of finish on them and yet given just a modicum of care, they don't rust.

I've shot some CAS with a fella who has a pair of engraved Uberti's very similar sigsmokers. Evidently he rarely cleans them because they stay covered with soot and carbon from shooting smokeless powder, but no rust anywhere.

35W

DPris
February 2, 2014, 06:45 PM
Whelen,
My comment was to say the gun is not immune to corrosion because of any "special" heat treatment.
My sense was that the gun was expected not to rust by its owner because despite its lack of bluing & its non-stainless material, it had some sort of special steel.

Of course all carbon steels will experience some form of surface corrosion eventually.
Most stainless steels can rust, too.

Nowhere did I say it'd rust instantly.

Howbout we put it this way: If normal chrome moly carbon steel, left in the white, with no surface protectant, it is more likely to rust to some degree sooner than a standard blued version.

In still other words, I disbelieve Sig should expect them to resist corrosion because of some magical heat-treatment.
And I repeat it'd be nice if Taylors could include more detail on what exactly is the deal on the white "finish".
Denis

red rick
February 2, 2014, 08:19 PM
Nice looking six shooter .

It looks so good it messed DPris up . :D

hartcreek
February 2, 2014, 08:52 PM
My Urberti/IvarJohnson buntline has the sratch on the hammer too......doesnt bother me a bit.

TennJed
February 2, 2014, 09:12 PM
very nice looking piece

DPris
February 2, 2014, 09:13 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing one in person. It is a looker. :)

I have an engraved Pietta in the works, looking forward to seeing how well the laser engraving is on it.
Denis

sigsmoker
February 2, 2014, 10:16 PM
Thanks for the compliments, I don't expect the metal to rust. I won't shoot blackpowder through it either which might cause corrosion like you would find on a neglected muzzleloader or cap and ball. I keep all my firearms clean and well protected with an oil rag wipe down. It isn't a concern to me but I just mention that some sellers of this firearm state it is SS and I don't think it is.
The factory engraving is pretty. It doesn't look cheap and they say that they do some hand clean up and detailing after the machine engraving process is done. If I wanted a "real" hand engraved colt 45 SA it would cost thousands of dollars.
This is a real revolver and can shoot any factory loaded 45 LC ammo. The action is smooth.
I like it a lot and I guess I can live with the scratches on the hammer, they were already there when I bought it NIB. It must have occurred in the factory testing or by others who happened to dry fire it before it came to me.
I am sure I won't wear it out. I'd love to but ammo is expensive. I like to have enough ammo on hand for all my guns but when it comes to buying ammo, I'd rather spend the money on a firearm to have and to hold.
I have seen Pietta, Uberti, and Taylors factory engraved and the pattern is different.
Here is a good review and some YouTube vids of this exact one I have which I think was made in 2013. Notice this one has similar scratches on the hammer in the link.
OCD is hard to live with fellas but I get by.
http://www.guns.com/review/2013/05/27/gun-review-decration-day-taylors-1873-cattleman-engraved/

towboat_er
February 2, 2014, 10:39 PM
I load and shoot black powder in mine. Makes it a lot cheaper to shoot.

DPris
February 3, 2014, 12:37 AM
Sig,
It IS limited on what it can shoot.
Stay away from the +P levels like the CorBon stuff.

It can handle standard pressures in the .45 Colt range, but if you try to hotrod it it'll catch up with you someday.
Denis

bannockburn
February 3, 2014, 07:51 AM
sigsmoker

Very nice looking, especially with the engraving and the subdued finish.

sigsmoker
February 3, 2014, 02:23 PM
Sig,
It IS limited on what it can shoot.
Stay away from the +P levels like the CorBon stuff.

It can handle standard pressures in the .45 Colt range, but if you try to hotrod it it'll catch up with you someday.
Denis

I'll be using something like Black Hills Cowboy 250 gr RNFP ammunition with a 725 muzzle velocity. I think the limit is 850 fps for this revolver. I can use Hornady LEVERevolution with my 1873 Uberti sporting rifle which I could even hunt with confidently if I want to.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/hornady_45colt_evo.htm

Your tip is well taken for me to remember, and for others who read this. I see no reason for "hot" loads myself in any firearm for my shooting enjoyment.

DPris
February 3, 2014, 04:40 PM
The gun can easily handle loads up to around 950FPs, depending on bullet, powder & pressures generated.
It's not so much a safety issue as a wear & tear issue.

I was just reacting to your earlier statement about it shooting "any factory load".
CorBon's told me they make nothing in the caliber they'd recommend for a Peacemaker-type action.
The product brand itself isn't necessarily the problem, it's more the design limitations.

You may not blow a cylinder, but excessive use of hotter loads & higher pressures can accelerate wear on areas like the ratchet & the base pin.

I wouldn't worry about using the Hornady load in your gun.

Denis

35 Whelen
February 3, 2014, 04:54 PM
These handguns don't have to be loaded as though they're some 120 year old relics. There is no set velocity "limit" for these handguns.

Unknown to most, ALL handguns produced in Italy by Uberti are required by C.I.P. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Internationale_Permanente_pour_l'Epreuve_des_Armes_%C3%A0_Feu_Portatives)to be proofed with two cartridges loaded 30% over standard factory pressures. That'd be somewhere in the neighborhood of 18,000 CUP for the 45 Colt.

Does this mean a fella can load his Uberti to the gills? Of course not. But it also means these handguns need not be pampered as though the next cartridge might send them into a million pieces. 950 fps with a 250 gr. lead bullet is doable while staying within pressure specs.

35W

J-Bar
February 4, 2014, 11:00 AM
sigsmoker:

You REALLY need to visit a Cowboy Action Shooting match! Find one near you and enjoy the companionship of kindred spirits. Click on the map in the link to get a list.

http://www.sassnet.com/clubs/index.php

sigsmoker
February 4, 2014, 01:15 PM
J-Bar wrote: You REALLY need to visit a Cowboy Action Shooting match! Find one near you and enjoy the companionship of kindred spirits. Click on the map in the link to get a list.

I'd like to go watch anyways. Yeah theres one right up the road.
I would compete if they had something for the "Slowest gun in the East"
I think my cowboy name would be something along those lines. Droopalong SloPoke Molasses Sluggish Crosseyed Snailtrail Thumbs ... I could never compete.

sigsmoker
February 4, 2014, 01:20 PM
Finally, I'll refer to this as a
Taylor's Uberti Single Action 45 long colt engraved Cattleman 5 and a half inch revolver.
I'll just call it my SA 45 for short.

DPris
February 4, 2014, 01:27 PM
Still not entirely safe.
You risk the indignation of the There's No Such Thing As A .45 Long Colt Club. :)
Denis

Old Fuff
February 4, 2014, 01:45 PM
You risk the indignation of the There's No Such Thing As A .45 Long Colt Club.

How true, and I enjoy going 'round and round with them cuz somewhere I have some cases with a .45 LC headstamp. :evil:

DPris
February 4, 2014, 01:59 PM
Yeah, but you have a twisted sense of tumor. :)
Denis

35 Whelen
February 4, 2014, 04:29 PM
J-Bar wrote:

I'd like to go watch anyways. Yeah theres one right up the road.
I would compete if they had something for the "Slowest gun in the East"
I think my cowboy name would be something along those lines. Droopalong SloPoke Molasses Sluggish Crosseyed Snailtrail Thumbs ... I could never compete.
The CAS matches I fired with the club not far from here, were lots of fun. Very laid back, no pressure, etc. Try it!

35W

sigsmoker
March 4, 2014, 11:39 PM
My laser engraved Taylor's Uberti Cattleman 45 LC revolver is snug as a bug in a budget holster belt I pieced together for under a hundred bucks. It is smiling at me.
I ordered 150 rounds of 900 fps 250 gr lead round nose ammo, but still have not shot it.

sigsmoker
April 16, 2014, 11:00 PM
Just an update of holster decorating. I have shot this since. I love it.

CraigC
April 17, 2014, 09:55 AM
Nice outfit!

BigG
April 17, 2014, 10:32 AM
nice looking sixshooter!

Dudemeister
April 17, 2014, 07:36 PM
Just an update of holster decorating. I have shot this since. I love it.
I placed an order for one of those about 5 weeks ago. How long did it take for them to deliver yours? They told be about 10-12 weeks

sigsmoker
April 17, 2014, 07:46 PM
I bought mine off of that popular gun auction site. I would advise you to think about cleaning up the hammer area before dry firing for a nice clearance if you are bothered by scratches as there is some contact. Can't be seen with hammer down but mine was dry fired some before it came to me. I had mine in less than a week but it was in stock at the dealers shop who was the seller. Other than that you are going to love it.
Smooth action, straight shooter. If you reload, use 8 grains of unique but no more than 8.5 grains and 250 grain lead bullets and a good crimp. I can send you to an excellent source for reloads if you need that.

CraigC
April 17, 2014, 07:48 PM
Uberti's, Colt's, S&W's, Rugers, almost everything but USFA's scratch the hammer.

Dudemeister
April 17, 2014, 11:07 PM
I bought mine off of that popular gun auction site. I would advise you to think about cleaning up the hammer area before dry firing for a nice clearance if you are bothered by scratches as there is some contact. Can't be seen with hammer down but mine was dry fired some before it came to me. I had mine in less than a week but it was in stock at the dealers shop who was the seller. Other than that you are going to love it.
Smooth action, straight shooter. If you reload, use 8 grains of unique but no more than 8.5 grains and 250 grain lead bullets and a good crimp. I can send you to an excellent source for reloads if you need that.
I do reload, and my current pet load is 5.0gr. of Clays topped by 200gr. LRFP.

I really don't like Unique, it's just too dirty for my taste. I made a a bunch of loads and they all were dirty. The case didn't obturate until I got to 9.0gr. Unfortunately that is not something I want to shoot a lot of.

The other problem I found was that Unique doesn't meter very accurately through either my Lyman's 55 or my Lee Precision. I found variations of as much as +/-.2gr. so I get random variations I don't like.

The Clays loads are pretty light, but they are consistent. While the 5gr. is not enough to obturate the case either, at least it doesn't come out of gun all covered in crud.

On a side note, how much did you end up getting the gun for? The one I ordered is the 4.75" version, and my LGS was able to get it for me for $750, a little over $100 under retail.

sigsmoker
April 18, 2014, 01:12 AM
775.00 shipped and then 35.00 for the transfer at my gunshop. I know so little about reloading. I don't shoot all that much but stay stocked up on bullets and stuff, Usually try to keep at least 200 rounds on hand for pistols and 100 rounds for my rifles. I couldn't find any boxes of 45 LC of round nose lead anywhere except a guy who had them for about 38 bucks a box per 50. I got 3 boxes cause the shipping was $30, so my boxes cost about 48 bucks each. He used 8.6 grains of Unique and said they were 900 fps loads. Next time I am dropping down closer to 8.2 grains. I clean up my firearms after every use, so it don't bother me much. I have some hornady LE and other hollowpoints that are safe to shoot in this or my 1873 uberti rifle but they cost a heep more.

Dudemeister
April 18, 2014, 10:15 AM
775.00 shipped and then 35.00 for the transfer at my gunshop. I know so little about reloading. I don't shoot all that much but stay stocked up on bullets and stuff, Usually try to keep at least 200 rounds on hand for pistols and 100 rounds for my rifles. I couldn't find any boxes of 45 LC of round nose lead anywhere except a guy who had them for about 38 bucks a box per 50. I got 3 boxes cause the shipping was $30, so my boxes cost about 48 bucks each. He used 8.6 grains of Unique and said they were 900 fps loads. Next time I am dropping down closer to 8.2 grains. I clean up my firearms after every use, so it don't bother me much. I have some hornady LE and other hollowpoints that are safe to shoot in this or my 1873 uberti rifle but they cost a heep more.
Well, I had to pay sales tax for mine and the California DROS ($25), so the whole thing ended up costing around $850.

Anyway, did I read this right? You bought ammo reloaded from some unknown guy on the net?

Not a good idea!

First of all, unless he has a license to manufacture ammo it's against the law for him to sell it, second, and more important, do you know and trust his skills?

It's one thing to buy reloaded ammo from a known outfit that has hundreds of thousands invested in machinery designed to deliver consistent product, versus taking some unknown ammo and shooting it. It only takes one bad one to ruin your day. So I for one wouldn't.

Also paying $38 for home reloads is waaay overpriced, that's the same price you find new ammo at Cabelas, or Midway. Assuming one already has the brass, and many people scrounge it for free from the range, the cost to reload a box of .45LC is about $7. Even if you used brand new, virgin brass, the cost would be around $25. Then he overcharged for shipping. You can ship a medium USPS Priority flat rate box for like $12 regardless of weight.

I strongly suggest you should learn to roll your own. There is safety in what YOU KNOW YOU DID, rather than trust the unknown.

sigsmoker
April 18, 2014, 11:59 AM
The fella that reloaded them has a Class 6 FFL and manufactures this ammo. Yes I know it's expensive. Legally I don't think that ammo can be shipped thru the USPS. They came Fed-Ex or UPS. I am contemplating getting a reloading set-up for 44 mag 45 acp 45 LC and 45-70 ammo, or at least the dies I need if a friend of mine who reloads doesn't have the die sets. I am saving my brass.

Crunchy Frog
April 18, 2014, 12:36 PM
J-Bar wrote:

I'd like to go watch anyways. Yeah theres one right up the road.
I would compete if they had something for the "Slowest gun in the East"
I think my cowboy name would be something along those lines. Droopalong SloPoke Molasses Sluggish Crosseyed Snailtrail Thumbs ... I could never compete.
One of our newer shooters has the word "Slowpoke" in his alias.

J-Bar told you right. Get thee to a match. It's a lot of fun regardless of where you finish. Besides, you might surprise yourself.

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